Leonard, sorry about my earlier outburst. I bet that's exactly what you wanted, so I would look mean. I'm not. But you where picking out and exaggerating things I have said, which maybe wheren't so nice, but you're being even worse, and the resy of the people swarming me.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

da masta deserves to be swarmed.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

I kind of have to warn you A happy Raptor fan if you are going around with a name like that people might say RAPTORS ^&*( because I look back in fave dinosaur archives and they say Raptors %^*&.

DILOPHOSAURUS AND TRICERATOPS RULE

wonder why I keep saying that? Because people will know it's me. ;)
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"Besides Masters, you're even less popular then you think. *YOU HAVE MANAGED QUITE A DIFFICULT TASK. YOU HAVE MADE ME MAD. MY ANGER ON YOU IS GETTING QUITE BIG. GET OFF ME. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOU. GET LOST. MOST OF THE REGULARS HERE HAVE LEARNT TO TOLERATE, AND EVEN LIKE ME. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? I DON'T WANT TO UPSET ANY LITTLE KIDS OR LOSE RESPECT SO I'M NOT BLOWING UP IN YOUR FACE LIKE A NUCLEAR WARHEAD, BUT I THINK I SHOULD TELL YOU THAT IF YOU CAN'T BE NICE TO ME, THEN DON'T TALK TO ME.* With all *THERE WAS ONLY ONE. 1!* your dirty dinosaur porn star jokes *SORRY, THAT WAS A SYMPTOM OF SEVERE PEER INFLUENCE, EVEN THOUGH MY SCHOOL IS MEANT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE CITY* and use of bad words...*ONCE. SORRY, ANYWAY. I DIDN'T REALISE THAT IT IS SO TABOO ON THIS SITE* is it any wonder nobody *NOBODY?* likes you? *IS IT A WONDER THAT EVERYONE WHO HATES ME ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT PICKING ON PEOPLE THAN DINOSAURS?* But as a note of cauti! on, *YOU CAUTIONING ME?* you'll be very shocked to find that threatening or intimidating people here *I WASN'T. THEY WHERE MEAN TO ME* with "you'll wish you never came here *WHICH WAS ONE ALTERNATIVE, I WAS ANGRY, ANYWAY. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS TO BE NICE TO ME AND THEN WE COULD EVEN BE FREINDS*" or "it's all b*(*****" *ALREADY APOLOGISED. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH FUSS OVER ONE WORD, AND I LIVE IN A GOOD AREA.* don't usually work. If anything, you are explosing yourself as a gangster, *GANGSTER? YOU ARE A GANGSTER YOU HORRIBLE PERSON! YOU AND QUITE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE GANGING UP ON ME! I AM DEFENDING MYSELF, LUCKILY ALMOST ALL THE REGULARS LIKE OR DON'T MIND ME* which nobody respects*HOW ANYBODY CAN BE PART OF THE SWARM AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT RESPECT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. AT LEAST I HAVE SELF RESPECT. AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DESERVE RESPECT. LIKE THE REGULARS AND DILOPH.*."
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"Donovan, consider yourself luckly. As least nobody thinks you are an total self-absorb ass (as in stubborn donkey, not butt), like somebody else.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"
Didn't even want to reveal yourself did you? Because of the shame? Maybe you meant me, but even if you didn't mean me, consider yourself lucky this offensive and nasty post ever even got posted. JC is VERY tolerant, I admire him for that. The policy here is:

Policy: Any posts containing personal insults about other dinotalk participants will not be posted
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"Can people stop swarming da masta!
from Tom G, age ?, The Hole, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

I LIKE DA MASTA!!!

DILOPHOSAURUS AND STEGOSAURUS RULE
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

I wouldn't go that far. I like da masta. I'm sure other people do too.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"

Thank you for the support.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"My,My,This insult routine of Rex and other dinos has beeen on for months.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001"

Yes. I must also agree with T - Master (trivia please!) that all dinosaurs where pretty amazing, and that if you saw a dinosaur you'd be thinking it's cool whatever it was. You may notice I never insult any dinosaurs, and neither do most of the regulars, and the people who do are the immature ones. Calling a dinosaur pathetic is sad, I wouldn't any dinosaur was pathetic if I saw it.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"Looking back at Da Master's antics, I believe some people deserved to be swarmed. *I disagree. Swarming is when a large group all attacks one poor individual, and I think nobody deserves it. You've never been through it, you don't know.* It's the very least we could do for the sake of mankind. *What? You regard yourself very highly, don't you?* Raptor, Tyrannosaur, Allosaur, Stegosaur, Apatosaur, Triceratops fans all unite! *But only the childish, immature, and spiteful ones. The people who come here to debate dinosaurian topics never sink that low.*
from An happy Raptor fan"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"25 deinonychus could probably kill a tyrannosaur, but they would suffer huge losses, not worth it for the pack, so, being an intelligent dinosaur they wouldn't bother, and they'd run away. And they wouldn't have lived in groups larger than 8 in my opinion. Although the four deinonychus found with the tenontosaur could have been washed together by a river current, which is especially likely as fossilisation occurs when the organism is buried in sediments; most fossils are of animals that died in or near rivers, because then the organism gets buried quikly, before scavengers find it. But I just think that deinonychus did live in packs."

Whoops, I forgot to put my nickname on that post!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

Actually, Leonard does strike up a real concern. Your maturity level in taking adversity and responding to it in an apporiate manner is really low. While you implore others to treat you good, you yourself start the adversity by using all manners of bad and underhand tatics onto them. I've seen the Mr. Honkie Albertosaurus attack by you everybody is talking about and what a discusting piece of work. And this IS the person who freely insults others and responds to them in such a way and HE expects people to treat him good though he treats them like dirt? Pitree, I say, he's no royality lads, he's no punching bag, it's too good a fate. He should be a target board to be preforated by multitudes of firearms of all sorts. And he jolly well deserves it paid in full. Give these people no quarter, they don't deserve any. Carry on laddies, and do yer dinosaur and the scientific community proud.
from John Clark, age ?, Belfast, UK, UK; November 29, 2001

The sad thing is. Even though I am not involved in all this nonsense and sad affairs, instead wanting to wait for this fight to boil over. Da Master, I'm afraid you invoke little sympathy from me when you get attacked or swarmed. From your reckless, inconsiderate and rude behaviour in dinotalk leading up to all this, I can't say that all these attacks on you are not deserved. Sometimes, when we behave the way we do, we have to accept the consequences of our actions, be it one we like or not. You can't just keep pushing the blame towards all those "bad" people after your blood. For me, the normal onlooker hardly see you as a victim. You reared for a fight in your aggressive nature, now you got one. If you really didn't want this to happen. You should learn to treat people with more respect. I afraid even in Dinoscience you'll find little change. Instead of running here till things tide over, why not go back to Dinotalk and apologize for your behaviour, and if the rest of the guys don't want to make up, from then it'll be their fault entirely for any aggression. Then they will be the ones seen as the morons and the idiots, and you can have nothing to do with them, and they will go down in history as the warmongers, not you. For now, despite what you say about fighting for what's bright and right, the impression I'm getting and possibly other onlookers on involved in this is that you are really the once running from a fight you accidently started and tried to win, but only got worse as you made one serious mistake after another. You may not agree, but this is the impression I get from following the posts from history to now. So here's what, post an applogy message and ask the guys there to drop and forget everything (don't demand they apologize, for goodness sake) and leave it to that. You can't lose. If they accept it and the war's over, you'll go down as a person who had the maturity to end all this. If not, public opinion will shift heavily against your opponents. Either way, it's much better then running away or ignoring the problem, for you'll end up like every other troublemaker who found they could not stop because they were too proud. Common, you can do it, you're the man after all...or was I wrong to put my belief you have the extra maturity over the rest to end this? Come on, I want a peaceful Dinotalk to talk about pathology! You can do it!

Just friendly advice from a passerby much concerned about the state of affairs.
from Jane M., age ?, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 29, 2001

Can people stop swarming da masta!
from Tom G, age ?, The Hole, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

My,My,This insult routine of Rex and other dinos has beeen on for months.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001

I LIKE DA MASTA!!!

DILOPHOSAURUS AND STEGOSAURUS RULE
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

I wouldn't go that far. I like da masta. I'm sure other people do too.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

Looking back at Da Master's antics, I believe some people deserved to be swarmed. It's the very least we could do for the sake of mankind. Raptor, Tyrannosaur, Allosaur, Stegosaur, Apatosaur, Triceratops fans all unite!
from An happy Raptor fan., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

Stop posting anti da masta posts leonard. nobody on the sceince forum (more intelligent and serious people here) cares. I was attacked by someone, do I just ignore it? Would you? For some reason I find you annoying. No offense.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

25 deinonychus could probably kill a tyrannosaur, but they would suffer huge losses, not worth it for the pack, so, being an intelligent dinosaur they wouldn't bother, and they'd run away. And they wouldn't have lived in groups larger than 8 in my opinion. Although the four deinonychus found with the tenontosaur could have been washed together by a river current, which is especially likely as fossilisation occurs when the organism is buried in sediments; most fossils are of animals that died in or near rivers, because then the organism gets buried quikly, before scavengers find it. But I just think that deinonychus did live in packs.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

Oh, good, a place where I can escape from the endless swarming. They really are quite pitifull on the main board. Anybody want to help me? I've only had 1 dilo fan stick up for me so far! (By the way, I don't want to know, John and Leonard.) I hate math, but it can come in useful. People who have been here a while know that I am a great supporter of the theory which dictates that raptors are solitary, in fact, I beleive they where antisocial. So 100 velociraptors against a tyrannosaur wouldn't fight it. They would run away. They where well adapted for what they did, but they where never meant to fight tyrannosaurs. They didn't hunt the same prey, there wouldn't be any competion between them, either. And a load of ants couldn't kill a tyrannosaur. 6,000,000,000,000,000 ants couldn't kill a tyrannosaur. They are too small, on a different scale! The tyrannosaur would squash them all!

But alpha male Deinonychus and Gianna are right, lets forget maths.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

Donovan, consider yourself luckly. As least nobody thinks you are an total self-absorb ass (as in stubborn donkey, not butt), like somebody else.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

"Master is least popular?Excuse me,Leonard,but you are mistaken.I am ignored all times and hardly noticed even when sending I've posted long scripts and no one notices it.Its like I'm ignored,I do belive no one cares.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001"

I think you're safe Donovan. Compared to some of the people on the talk forum you are ultra safe. BUT, you are wrong. Maybe you get ignored, but I get swarmed by angry Rex fans and Allo fans. Just check out the dinotalk forum. It's much worse getting swarmed.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

this is not about math. I already get enough math in school(I HATE MATH) so I don't really need to discuss math HERE."

Really? So do I! I hate math too!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

Master is least popular?Excuse me,Leonard,but you are mistaken.I am ignored all times and hardly noticed even when sending I've posted long scripts and no one notices it.Its like I'm ignored,I do belive no one cares.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001

Besides Masters, you're even less popular then you think. With all your dirty dinosaur porn star jokes and use of bad words...is it any wonder nobody likes you? But as a note of caution, you'll be very shocked to find that threatening or intimidating people here with "you'll wish you never came here" or "it's all bull****" don't usually work. If anything, you are explosing yourself as a gangster, which nobody respects.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001

this is not about math. I already get enough math in school(I HATE MATH) so I don't really need to discuss math HERE.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 25, 2001

Better speller than ME?? I'm the best speller in my class, maybe(not sure0 one of the best spellers in my grade. +
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 25, 2001

Will everyone stop posting about math here? This is a Dinosaur website.
from Alpha Male Deinonychus, age 9, ?, ?, ?; November 24, 2001

Paranoyd Child, begone from these boards. You have been nothing but annoying since you posted here. John, don't insult Tim M.
from Alpha Male Deinonychus, age 9, ?, ?, ?; November 23, 2001

paranoyed child, please go and learn your maths and stop annoyign people here. You should stock up on brains instead of hot air, which you are full of.
from annoyed child (better then paranoyed child), age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 23, 2001

paranoyed child you are wrong, there is such a number as 6,000 billion.
from Lim Peh, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 23, 2001

Don't be stupid everyone. Everybody knows one thousand thousand is a million, and a thousand million is a billion, and a thousand billion is a trillion. In that case, six thousand billion (6,000 billion) would be six trillion. Simple maths, why are you arguing with an eleven year old ignorant irratant anyway? Everybody knows he's wrong.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 23, 2001

"actually im very good at math, ive been in advanced math for 3 years, i have a math teacher who most likely about 50 times smarter than u r, and he said 6,000 billion which im smart enough to know would translate to 6 trillion but that isnt what he said."

Wow, are you sure your math's teacher isn't conning you of your education fees? Sounds like a woefully ineffective teacher to leave you with such concepts. It would behoove you to double check with another source.

Advanced maths for 3 years? At eleven years old. Advanced elementry maths it sounds more like to me. Prehaps you could tell me what is the meaning of a proposition in Boolean Algebra. If you have been in advanced maths for 3 years (or is it retained for 3 years?), this should be easy.

Considering what you just said, I doubt you could answer that question. Sorry, but the game's up for you, you made a factual error, there's no two ways to talk yourelf out of it. 6,000 billion is a number.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 22, 2001

"I'm good at math."
So, why did you say was less than a Googleplex?
Also, who cares if you're math teacher is smarter than us?
That has nothing to do with the discussion.
"I'm probably a much better speller than you."
Don't bet on it. You're only eleven.
Why does this discussion turn to "How fast I can spell words"
Seriously... I don't like how you came in here and started chastising and insulting people when you were the one who was wrong.

Don't bet on it. If you're only eleven, I doubt even your vocabulary will be as good as Honkie's
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 22, 2001

actually im very good at math, ive been in advanced math for 3 years, i have a math teacher who most likely about 50 times smarter than u r, and he said 6,000 billion which im smart enough to know would translate to 6 trillion but that isnt what he said.

(by the way, im probably a much better speller than u i just dont waste my time on-line where half the people arnt smart enough to read anyway. they just need sumwere 2 go.) im serious. did u no neuropharmacology and hydropsychotherapy are words that i can spell in less than 10 seconds total. if u dont believe me look em ^ in a dictionary. (^ means up if u didnt no)
from paranoyed child, age 11, ?, ?, ?; November 21, 2001

Hmmmmm....
It seems as though if someone has another favorite dinosaur other than T-Rex the T-Rex fans say, hey, your dinosaur can't beat T-Rex so it's a wimp.
If someone has another fave dinosaur like Raptors or Allosaurus they can like it if they want.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 21, 2001

"hey john, in case your that stupid, 6,000 billion isn't a number. the highest number in the american numeric system is 1 googleplex."

I suggest you go back and brush up on your math before passing judging others'. You contradict yourself in the same post. One googleplex is much higher than 6,000 billion, which translates to 6 trillion. And the googleplex is far from being the highest number, as the numeric system is infinite, with no clearly defined end.

"but u probably didnt know that."

He probably did, which is why he posted what he did.
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 21, 2001

I think it would take about 100 velociraptors to kill T Rex because their teeth may have been small but the sickle claw on their foot would easily penertrate T Rex skin.
from Jason, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

I seriously doubt the ability of Velociraptor to kill a Tyrannosaurus, even in numbers of 100. The problem arises when Velociraptor is virtually unable to hurt Tyrannosaurus! With very small teeth and a skull about 15 cm long (that the length if one of T.Rexes's teeth!) and the rest on such a small scale. They'll be hard pressed to get pass the Tyrannosaur's thick skin in the first place. 30-50 raptors in a gravely small number. Tyrannosaurus could literally ignore them while they pounded away at him until they had worn themselves out, inflicting no more then a few lacerations. The size difference here is ridiculus, it's like a bunch of 50 hamsters coming to attack you. Annoying, that's about it.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

"hey john, in case your that stupid, 6,000 billion isn't a number. the highest number in the american numeric system is 1 googleplex. but u probably didnt know that."

Ahem, I don't want to intrude on anything, but I'd like you to know there is really no highest number in the numeric system. The numeric system in infinite because x+1 or x-1 will always be a defined number. And for your information, 6,000 billion is far less then a googleplex anyway! 6,000 billion would be 6,000,000,000,000, while a goggle would be a 1 with a hundred zeros behind it! A goggleplex, on the other hand, has a google zeros on it! Yes, it's quite safe to say that 6,000 billion is a safe number, in fact, another term for it is 6 trillion. But you probably didn't know that, for you would not be posting your post in that case.

Your maths seem to be poor. Please go for more school before you came charging in here aka. Maths Guy style. Thank you.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

Well John maybe my knowledge on v-raptor is a little poor, but I never said v-raptor was tough because it took 50 raptors to kill a t-rex. T-rex was the fiercest dino that has been found. And I never said that raptors could plan out strategies , I just said who knows, though your right that raptor was as smart as an emu it could of been smarter than you think, scientists say that less than 1% of all dinosaurs have been found, they might find a new sample of v-raptor that has a smarter brain, but they probably won't, they might find a large theropod with a horned nose and clubbed tail, they might find a sauropod with clawed feet and a spikey tail, they might find a two headed dinosaur like they find two headed snakes and lizards. Who Knows.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

First of all, though t-rex was stronger, feircer, and much larger than velociraptor, it would be very hard for one t-rex to kill 100 raptors, it would be very hard to kill 80, or 60. It would be about 30 to 55 raptors to kill rex.
from Raptor Ruler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

and if that was a number, 6,000 billion ants would be able to kill a rex. especially since it wouldnt be expecting it. its stupid.
from paranoyed child, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

hey john, in case your that stupid, 6,000 billion isn't a number. the highest number in the american numeric system is 1 googleplex. but u probably didnt know that.
from paranoyed child, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

hey, john, why dont u shut the h*(* up???
from tim (not tim M.), age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

Having the Velociraptors to pack hunt and swarm a T.Rex is absurd from basic principles of evolutionary biology. The only animals which attack much larger prey like ants regardless of losses sustained are eusocial insects like ants. They do it because the colony, not the sterile worker individual, is the passer on of genes and the unit on which natural selection acts. If the colony loses 0.2 grams of worker to get 20 grams of prey it may make a net gain in colony fitness justifying that (and ants, such as army ants, that do regularly swarm over much larger prey tend to have queens that produce vast numbers of eggs to replace squashed workers quickly!) But a non-social vertebrate that regularly gets itself killed so that even related individuals will get more food will kill off the genes for such suicidal altruism with itself. Only if the rest of the pack are very closely related would such behaviour occur. That would only happen if coelurosaurs, lik! e naked mole-rats, were as eusocial as ants, complete with queen and sterile workers. Mole rats evolved this because of their very odd lifestyle (in fact evolutionary biologists predicted the naked mole-rat's social structure form its life-style before either was discovered in the field!). Coelurosaurs almost certainly were not eusocial and therefore could not in principle have evolved the behaviour many excited experts depicts.Our visions of superkiller raptors are as ridiculous as depicting flocks of homicidal hens rampaging the modern Bucks countryside, swarming over hapless sheep and pecking them to death!

In this case, Velociraptors will never be able to kill a T.Rex, for they would be killing themselves too. On the other hand, a T.Rex would want to fight a Velociraptor bunches' offense as it's fighting for it's survival to pass on its geans.
from raptors are losers, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

"Raptors were smarter and who knows, they might of had a strategy to kill other dinos, wolves plan things out."

Wow, another speculation based point. Actually, raptors were pretty dumb by modern standards. Your typical raptor was about as smart as an Osrich or Emu. Velociraptor was one of the more primitive raptors and had a less advanced brain then other raptor species (one reason scientists think it was solitary). In any case, I doubt animals with the intelligence of an emu or an ostrich could plan things out. Much less a stratgey. Your knowledge of Velociraptor is poor.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 20, 2001

"One scientist once said that if velociraptor did hunt in packs they would be about 5-15 in a pack. Who knows, raptors may not have even hunted in packs, but many think they do."

You do know there's fine line between fact and speculation? The idea that Velociraptor hunted in a pack is mere speculation, for there is no evidence to support it at all. All Velociraptor fossils found are largely alone. In that case, a scientists' opinion isn't worth much if it's not based on fact at all. All he was stating was what he thought was a possibility for the social behaviour of Velociraptor, not what must have been Velociraptor's social behaviour. And the reason many people like to think that is simply because they prefer to see it that way. Is there any hard evidence to support that? I don't think so. It's kinda like saying one guy thinks he can fly by flapping his arms, and all his friends also think that way, but do they really have any evidence to support that claim? Many people does not mean it's most probably true. To the contray, we often find what many people believe without evidence to be most often wrong.

On the other hand, we find lots of evidence that T.Rex hunted in a pack. So how then, can stupid Velociraptor even hope to defeat T.Rex in a pack?
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 19, 2001

I doubt Velociraptor can kill Tyrannosaurus because it's like saying a bunch of jackals can kill a bull elephant. Haven't seen that happen before. Not even when there are 50 jackals. How are they going to even hurt Tyrannosaurus? For starters? Their sickle claws and jaws are good for small animals, but agains't Tyrannosaurus they are like a bb-gun on a incoming train. And 50 Velociraptors on one Tyrannosaurus proves what? That Velociraptors were so whimpy they needed overwhelming odds to win? Put it that way, I could say 6,000 billion ants could kill a T.Rex too. Unlike wolves, Velociraptors are much more fragile, slower and weaker. And the animal they are handeling is much, much larger then a moose. It's kinda like taking on Godzilla. For goodness sakes, Velociraptors were 7 times lighter then people! 50? I don't think so. Like a flock of annoying chickens, for all that mattered to Tyrannosaurus. It's kinda like saying 50 chickens could kill a huma! n beign. No way! Tyrannosaurus was way too tough and mean for that.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 19, 2001

One scientist once said that if velociraptor did hunt in packs they would be about 5-15 in a pack. Who knows, raptors may not have even hunted in packs, but many think they do.

Though it would be a great challenge for v-raptors to kill rex, I think it would be less than 100 to kill rex. raptors could quickly jolt away when t-rex came down for a bite, even though rex could come down very swiftly, if that happened many raptors would be killed. Raptors were smarter and who knows, they might of had a strategy to kill other dinos, wolves plan things out. And wolves also can take down a moose, when a moose is much larger. But T-rex and v-raptor are a greater mass between each other than a wolf and moose. I once read that it took 8 raptors to kill a t-rex, but that was a long time ago. So it would probably take way more raptors to kill a rex. I would say about 50.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 19, 2001

what bigger dinosaur did the Spinosaurus kill?
from can't tell, age ???, ???, ?????, ??????; November 19, 2001

How many Velociraptors would be in each pack then?
Ten? Even so, 70 to 80 velociraptor wouldn't be able to do much damage.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 18, 2001

Assuming that the Velociraptors even hunted in packs in the first place. What makes you think they hunted in packs anyway? There has been absolutely no evidence found of pack behaviour in Velociraptor. Why is it when the moment raptors are mentioned, people assume immediately they are in packs? It's not exactly smart to extrapolate like this from one species and just lump it to all the other raptors.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 18, 2001

tim meant 7-8 PACKS of Velociraptor, Tim M. But I don't even think 7-8 packs could defeat a Rex.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 18, 2001

tim, 7 or 8 velociraptors wouldn't even be able to hurt a T-Rex. Look, T-ex is 40-50 ft. long, 15 ft. tall (on average), and weighes 6-7 tons, and its foot alone was almost the length of a fully grown Velociraptor. Velociraptor was 6 ft. long 2.5 ft. tall, and weighed 7 to 15 kg! Velociraptor was no match. Maybe, hmmm, a pack of 100 velociraptors could do some damage. And I'm not trying to insult, velociraptor was tiny.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 18, 2001

Tim, not Tim M, please don't post your stupid rubbish here, we don't want to see your nonsense. We don't want to hear your chicken dinosaur fantasy stories.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 17, 2001

Hey, I got news for you. A pack of 12 Dienos, who are five times the mass of Velociraptor, cannot defeat a T-rex, what makes you think 7 vel.raptors can even hope to win? Are you stupid? Oh sorry, I heard you say yes.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 17, 2001

Gee...I curious to know, how can a velociraptor even hope to hurt T.rex? Velociraptor was smaller then some of our dogs for crying out loud, have you seen 6 or 7 dogs take down an elephant before????? Heck, what exactly can Velociraptor do to T.rex? Bite it? Oh no!!! You ruined my new skin treatment on my Tyrannosaurus. T.rex was so big and mean and tough, Velociraptor could stike at him for hours without dealing signficant damage. What could T.rex do to Velociratpor on the other hand? A bite from T.rex is fatal instantly to those puny dinosaurs, a glancing blow from T.rex will break their fragile 15-kilo bodies heck, an adult human could kill a Velociraptor, and you are even daring to pit 6 to 7 puny 15-kilo Velociraptors against's a 6,000 kilo T.rex???? What the heck are you thinking? Put together, they will still be outweighed by over 50 times by T.rex!!!!! How the heck can they win. Please don't post such stupid rubbish here, you are not impressing anybody.
from Hilton, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 17, 2001

You kidding? T.Rex would take on over 24 Velociraptor with NO problem, and annihilate them all at the same time. T.Rex was so friggin big and tough, I doubt 15 kilo Velociraptor can even make must of an impression on him. 6-7 Veloci can take him down? That's wishful thinking, we're talking cupcakes vs. a spectre of absolute death.

Wait...you were the moron behind the chicken dino post...ok...your idocity is understood.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 17, 2001

t-rex may be big and tough but a pack of 7 or 8 vel. raptor could take him down. this has nothing to do with my vote for Compsognathus. (the chicken dinosaur)
from tim, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 15, 2001

Tim M.-So true
from Gloman, age 13, ?, New York, USA; November 15, 2001

The Sperm Whale is bigger than Megalodon (I think) so the sperm whale would be the biggest deep diving carnivore
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 14, 2001

Zach, Velociraptor lived in the Gobi desert, which paleontologists believe was a desert during the late Cretaceous.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 14, 2001

How do we know that Carcharodon Megalodon dove deep? Modern day sharks don't dive nearly as deep as Whales.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 14, 2001

can you tell me about velociraptor habitat.
from zach, age 13, bastrop, texas, usa; November 14, 2001

the largest deepest diving carnivore is megalodon (gigant shark)
from LEIVA, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 14, 2001

I guess the sperm whale could be the largest deepest diving carnivore.
from Gloman, age 13, ?, ?, ?; November 10, 2001

Yes, I agree Honkie. The Sperm Whale is the largest Hypercarnivore.
And unless you were reffering to hypercarnivores, the Blue Whale would be the largest.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 10, 2001

I don't think it's fair to exclude a omnivore as a "carnivore", in a technical sense of the word. A omnivore is after all simply an animal that is both a carvivore and an omivore at the same time. Unless you are talking about the hypercarviore, defined as an animal that derives more then 95 percent of its food from carvirory. In that case, the largest animal that is carnviorous is the Blue Whale, and the largest hypercarnivore is the Sperm Whale.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 10, 2001

Reading about these matches brought to mind the Andrewsarchus, often referred to the "Hyena from Hell" or the Megistotherium. 13ft-16 ft with 3foot long jaw. How would these guys match up against a raptor?
from Jonathan T, age 14, MarinadelRey, California, USA; November 10, 2001

Well, really in The Comptele T.Rex Dr. John Horner says that "Even at twenty-five miles an hour T.rex is still frightningin my imgination, because at that speed a T.rex could still ouutprint any of us." There. Proof that T.rex can run!
from AMD-DinoWarz Lover, age 9, ?, ?, ?; November 10, 2001

I'm not sure those claims and "pictures" can be considered valid. For example, that famous picture was recently denounced as a forgery. I think one of the hoaxers admitted that it was a forgery. As for the claims, claims of this sort have been made for many things...(ufo's, abominable snowman etc.) I'm not sure any of these claims can be taken seriouly. I personnaly don't think The loch Ness monster really exists...
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2001

I don't know why some people are still argueing about nessie being real or not. I'm asking you joe, prove to me nessie is real. I used to think it was, but now I don't. Who knows. Who Cares.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2001

nessie is real ..... u want proof ey? ask me.
from Joe, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2001

A bear eats fish, deer, other animals, berries, and plants. Bears are omnivores. A spino just ate fish and other dinosaurs. So in a way spino had the same diet as a bear, but they mostly didn't.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2001

Technically, a Blue Whale can be considered a carnivore.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2001

Horner is like the last guy you should listen to if you want accucrate information about Tyrannosaurus rex.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

Would you call the blue whale a carnivore? I would call the sperm whale the largest true carnivore today.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

The largest carnivore that ever lived is still undisputedly the blue whale (unless you want to listen to the monsterologists and their 200 foot Giant Gator...)
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

"Pterodata

Here's a useful site about the Pterosauria."

That is a nice site; I've been looking for good pterosaur sites ever since Dave Peters' closed down...too bad, that site had a lot of excellent images.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

"Where did they get the 25 meter/80 foot estimate from anyway? It seems to have first surfaced from WWD and now almost every site touting the 25 meter estimate uses WWD as it's guide. The largest fossil ever found was about 15 meters long. Ten meters is quite a noticable distance."

I think the WWD people got news of a gigantic pliosaur find in England and decided to just make a hypothetical "Liopleurodon" to fit it. I don't think it's been revealed exactly how big the giant pliosaur finds were, but they seem to have been almost as big as the WWD estimate. The issue is whether the giant pliosaur is, in fact, _Liopleurodon_ or some other pliosaur.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

Where did they get the 25 meter/80 foot estimate from anyway? It seems to have first surfaced from WWD and now almost every site touting the 25 meter estimate uses WWD as it's guide. The largest fossil ever found was about 15 meters long. Ten meters is quite a noticable distance.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

"Liopleurodon was the largest carivore. (At over 80 ft. long)"

I hope you are not getting your figures from WWD, for they are sadly overblown whne the producers were not listening to the paleontologists. Liopleurodon was much closer to 40-50 feet, still very massive, but nowhere near 80 feet.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2001

I agree with the people that say spinosaur diets are kind of like bear diets. I think that spinosaurids would've only eaten meat.
I like those new pictures of yours Brad.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2001

No Megistotherium is definetly not the largest Carnivore ever. I do believe Liopleurodon was the largest carivore. (At over 80 ft. long)
Megstotherium's skull was 3 ft. long, while Liopleurodon's was 15 ft. long. I think the largest Carnivore today is the Sperm Whale, which is 60 to 70 ft. long.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2001

Is megistotherium the largest carnivore ever? is it as big as todays elephants? Ive been looking for picture but cant find it can anyone show mw a picture.I dont believe that veloceraptors have hairs maybe some of its subspecies.
from Henry, age ???, ???, ???, ???; November 7, 2001

Suchmisaurus, Jack Horner is just one t-rex person, there is tons of people who do believe that rex could run, I personaly do not agree with Horner. Spino could move its arm, but as shown on JP when it rolls the plain, that probably couldn't happen.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2001

ARON M WHY COULDN'T SPINOSAURUS MOVE IT'S ARMS. THEN WHY WOULD IT HAVE 14 INCH CLAWS. AND HAVE YOU SEEN VALLY OF THE T REX. ON IT JACK HORNER SAID T REX PROBLY DIDN'T RUN. SO IT PROBOLY SCAVENGED.
from SUCHOMIMUS, age 10, ??????, ?, ???????; November 7, 2001

Bears certainly do eat dinosaurs, I've seen a bear eat a chicken at a zoo. But would bears _hunt_ birds, or just scavenge?

And on the topic of spinosaurid diets being similar to bear diets, is there any chance that spinosaurids were omnivorous?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2001

"Bears hunt dinosaurs? Silly, silly people....."

I think Bears do eat birds sometimes, but I've never seen one try a hardosaur...well it's still the same...silly, silly people.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2001

"T-rex dying in JP3 was a BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Well, the entire story was fictional!

"If they were in the same country we would find Rex and Spino
skeletons locked in mortsl combat. Besides this is the Science Forum which is for solid FACT. Not fiction."

That is definately not a fact.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 4, 2001

"Actually, in JP3 the pterosaurs where Cearadactyls where'nt they?"

No, they weren't Cearadactylus. I think they were Pteranodon. Did they have teeth or not?

"And I think Spino may have hunted both fish and dinosaurs, as I have earlier said, like bears."

Bears hunt dinosaurs? Silly, silly people.....
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 4, 2001

Finally someone who agrees with me that Nessie exists.Everyone else in this forum doubts that there is a Nessie.
from Gloman, age 13, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2001

There's no such thing as "Superosaurus"
I think you mean Supersaurus. Supersaurus vivinae is not the biggest either, although it is quite large.
It's nice to see you've joined this forum, da masta
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2001

Actually, in JP3 the pterosaurs where Cearadactyls where'nt they? And I think Spino may have hunted both fish and dinosaurs, as I have earlier said, like bears. Also, Spinosaurus could never have met T REX. Syx, U R clever. I won't argue with that. And there is concusive evidence that something large lives in the loch ness, and many people who say that they have seen it say that it looked like a plesiosaur (long neck, etc.) There is so much to write and I just can't keep up! Whew!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 22, 2001

Superosaurus is THE largest dinosaur. T-rex dying in JP3 was a BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Compsanagthus is the smallest dinosaur. The REAL version of T.rex vs. Spino is this:
T.rex lunges at Spino's neck. Spino draws back then he hears a CRUNCH and a SNAP! Spino falls to the ground dead. A Compy attacks T.rex, wh stomps on it. Besides T.rex was not in Eygph and Spino was not in America. If they were in the same country we would find Rex and Spino skeletons locked in mortsl combat. Besides this is the Science Forum which is for solid FACT. Not fiction.
PS:
Ultrasauros is not spelled like Ultrasaurus. It's Sauros.
from AMD, age 9, ?, ?, ?; November 1, 2001

J.C., one of my posts did not get posted!
from AMD, age 9, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2001
I talked to a technical guy - apparently when we have a huge surge intraffic, some mail is delayed - I just got it now. JC

Ok then I don't beg to differ then
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2001

Looking at that post about Compsognathus, one can only wonder how much they really know about dinosaurs in Australia.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2001

"I beg to differ..."
I think he/she was being sarchastic...
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2001

"Compsagnathus was huge!!!!!!"

I beg to differ. And I REALLY beg to differ. Compy was the smallest, or one of the smallest.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2001

JC,is there a zoom ice age site???
from Gloman, age 13, ?, ?, ?; November 1, 2001
We have a page on Ice Age mammals.

T-rex and Spinosaurus are having a fight and t-rex tries to bite his tail but he grabs his neck but spino's teeth are blunt so spino tail whips him in the head lightly and instantly kills him.Then Compsognathus a massive 60cm long!!!!!!!!! Wow this guy was enormous.Spinosaurus was shocked to see such a big creature bigger then Ultrasaurus! but Spinosaurus is no match for a Compsognathus.Spino faints and dies of shock.Thats why Compsognathus was the biggest dinosaur to roam the earth standing at amassive 28cm tall and 30cm long Compsognathus was huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from ????????????????????????????????, age 10, ????????, ???????, australia; November 1, 2001