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Dear JC,

As an ex-regular of this forum and somebody who is, unfortunately, unable to get his parents to spend a measly sum of twenty dollars to support this site, it is quite distressing to see that some of those who have the privilage of expressing their views in this forum have apparently regarded this an outlet to discard all forms of rational and civilized behaviour.

Other then censorship, which is somewhat distasteful, prehaps I might suggest that you implement the method the Dinosaur Mailing List uses to rein in wayward members who have an overly inflated sense of self: A timeout. Prehaps once an individual starts going off a tangent, and disregards warnings to exercise some respect and though, a timeout of an suitable of time may encourage them to think over their views more carefully, and remind them of the fact that nobody likes to listen to an individual who expresses his points in an overbearing, egomanical, and irrational way. Respect would be a good thing to instil in certain individuals observed in this forum.

With all the best regards to Enchanted Learning, I hope you consider this suggestion as a possible policy to implement.

Still a faithful fan of ZoomDinosaurs,
Mike

from Mike, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 20, 2002


"distract us all from all that politics..."

GOOD!!!!!!!!!!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 19, 2002


"Da Masta, quit arguing with JC about religion, okay?"

da masta, don't become like Robert, after all, this is a dino site. I can't believe we went from dinosaurs to names to patriotic posts to religious posts!

How fast do you suppose raptors run, in comparison to ornithomimids?
from gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 19, 2002


Why would I think you were evil, da masta?
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 19, 2002


I'll leave for a few days and when I'm back let's just forget this whole thing.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 19, 2002


OK I'll post about Dinosaurs.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 19, 2002


Da Masta, please quit being an idiot and arguing with JC about religion, okay?
from Joe Bob B., age 11, Menlo Park, ?, ?; May 17, 2002


Oh, JC, I have to tell you this:

I know a boy who converted from Judaism to Christianity quite recently, although he still isn't allowed to work on Saturdays.

His dad works at Microsoft.

(this section omitted by the moderator)

I don't see how this is insulting to all Jews or Catholics at all. It could even be complimentary.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002
Despite my aversion to censorship, you've finally done it. You may not have found your theories about who owns what (and why) to be insulting, but I do. I'm sure there are many other sites you can find on which you can post your religious theories. On this site, either post about dinosaurs or don't post at all. JC


"30-45"

Miles or kilometers an hour? To be honest I hope you mean km, because the palaeontological argument would distract us all from all that politics.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002


Well, I although there aren't any Jews that are particularly close friends of mine, I do happen to know some. For instance, most of my mum's best friend's family are Jews. And I don't know any Jews that share my political views, but there are Americans who share them.

People are very different.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002


"CLASSIFICATION
Alamosaurus Gilmore, 1922 [nomen dubium?]

* TYPE SPECIES: A. sanjuanensis Gilmore, 1922 [nomen dubium?]

Animalia
Vertebrata
Tetrapoda
Sauropsida
Archosauromorpha
Ornithodira
Dinosauria
Sauropodomorpha
Sauropoda
Macronaria
Titanosauria

MEASUREMENTS
LENGTH: 21 m MASS: 30 tonnes

TIME
Maastrichtian

PLACE
New Mexico, Texas, Utah

REMAINS

* partial postcranium

* USNM 10,486 [holotype]: left scapula

* USNM collection [paratype]: right ischium

* USNM 15658: caudal centrum

* USNM 15560: 30 most anterior caudal vertebrae (articulated); 25 chevrons; ischia; left scapulocoracoid; right forelimb lacking phalanges, 2 sternal plates, 3 fragmentary ribs

ESSAY

The only North American sauropod from the Late Cretaceous."

Aha! There's some stuff off the Dinosauricon - that should help.
Alamosaurus is the last ever known sauropod dinosaur - being from the maastrichtian, Alamosaurus probably died in the great K-T extinction along with T - Rex and other late cretacious dinosaurs.

Sauropod evolution: The Vulcanodontidae and the Indian Barapasauridae where the first true sauropod families to evolve, in the early jurassic.

By the late jurassic they had evolved into six main groups, the Diplodocidae, Dicraeosauridae, Euheloponidae, Cetiosauridae, Brachiosauridae and Camarasauridae.

But by the cretacious, as plants started overtaking dinosaurs in the evolutionary arms race, many herbivores where replaced by more adapted animals, better suited to cope with plants that fight back.
So most of the above groups died off. But the sauropods wheren't over yet: The Titanosauridae where a large group mainly present in South America, and there is another group which is quite badly known, the Opisthcoelocaudidae.

This is quite a simple explanation, this site probably contains a lot of more detailed information on sauropods.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002


"Does anyone have info on Alamosaurus"

Jeez, I am so glad that YOU don't think I'm evil Gianna.

Over the months I haven't been presenting myself so well I don't think...

Alamosaurus - I'll do some surfing, but shorthand I know the following: Alamosaurus, named by Gilmore in 1922, late cretacious titanosaurid sauropod, most titanosaurids, including I think Alamosaurus, had dermal oscicles, plates and knobs of bone embedded in their skin as protection, and Alamosaurs had a pair of little horns above each eye if I am not mistaken. About 21m long I think, about Apatosaur size.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002


"If you don't want to be seen as an "evil monster who hates Jews and Americans," then don't say hateful things about entire groups of people. You are very mistaken in your generalizations about Americans and Jews (and probably other groups, as the many e-mails I've gotten about your posts have asserted, probably correctly so). You might want to think about where you learned your negative ideas about these groups of people, and why you haven't questioned some extremely simplistic stereotypes. Apparently you at least realize that some of your statements echo anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda - and that in itself should alarm you. And no, I don't like the idea of censorship because then we would not know the thoughts of the people who threaten civilization (and they are the ones we most need to be aware of). Going back to the topic of dinosaurs would certainly be a relief - we know enough about your political views. JC"

So I threaten civilisation? Oh dear... I don't think you quite understood my post... No one else has the same views about me as you, even those who know my views. And if I thought that my views where similar to Nazis then I certainly WOULD be alarmed.

Anyway, you are right that we should return back to dinosaurs. At least that's one topic where we all understand each other.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 17, 2002
Do your Jewish friends agree with you on your theories about Jews? JC


You think that the internet should not be censored JC?

That's a difficult argument. Although there are supposedly many sites which are actually very undesirable, such as pornography and Nazi sites, (I'm sure that as soon as you saw my post you had a very stereotypical view of me as some evil monster who hates Jews and Americans. That's a very mistaken view of me) in a democracy shouldn't we in theory be allowed to do what we want as long as it does not harm others? And the internet contains many very innocent sites.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002
If you don't want to be seen as an "evil monster who hates Jews and Americans," then don't say hateful things about entire groups of people. You are very mistaken in your generalizations about Americans and Jews (and probably other groups, as the many e-mails I've gotten about your posts have asserted, probably correctly so). You might want to think about where you learned your negative ideas about these groups of people, and why you haven't questioned some extremely simplistic stereotypes. Apparently you at least realize that some of your statements echo anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda - and that in itself should alarm you. And no, I don't like the idea of censorship because then we would not know the thoughts of the people who threaten civilization (and they are the ones we most need to be aware of). Going back to the topic of dinosaurs would certainly be a relief - we know enough about your political views. JC


"BACK TO DINOSAURS.

How fast do you suppose Gallimimus ran?"

Yeah. Lets never return to politics again. We won't understand each other; lets stick with a less imflamatory subject. I'm lucky that Honkie and the HRF aren't here; they'd have given me hell about my posts.

Well, I surfed a little bit and the general trend seems to be about 56km/h, (that's 35mp/h) and I would be inclined to agree with that. That's racehorse speed, by the way. Gallimimus had lots of big muscles around it's femur, and the tibialis anterior muscle which bends your lower leg back towards the femur seems to have been very powerful. And the metatarsals have been greatly strengthened to endure big forces.

And if you think that my post will cause people to be displeased with your website then please remove it JC!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"And I am aware that Russia and other countries have commited terrible acts in the past, but that does not mean that all Russians are evil, does it?"

No, because you are Russian and not evil, and if your parents are Russian they're not evil. Some Russians were bad, but not all of them.

(da masta likes to give info, so...)

Does anyone have info on Alamosaurus
from GIANNA, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"Also, and please don't ask me for proof, it is very likely that the US government supported the Muslim terrorrists in certain countries."

Hmmm... I have to wonder where you got this idea. I'm not saying it's wrong, foolish, etc., but I live in the U.S. and since you're saying that the Government supports Israel (there's also a lot more to that than you think) because it's benificial, I have to ask what would be benificial in supporting terrorists. But let's get back to Dinosaurs.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"How fast do you suppose Gallimimus ran?"
Well, since by studying its footprints most people have come up with a top speed that would be slightly slower than that of an Ostritch for Dromiceiomimus, I'd assume that Gallimius would be slightly slpwer, since it's larger and heavier. But then again, it would have a longer stride than it's smaller relative, and like Ostritches and Emus, Ornithomimisaurs were probably "striding walkers" who's speed depended partly on the great length of their stride. But it's generally excepted that Dromiceiomimus was one of the fastest, if not the fastest dinosaur. So I would say somwhere in beetween 30-45 as a maximus speed for this dinosaur.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"So, I'm not going to ask you."

Oh; sorry. Tim asked me, though, before you posted.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"irrational prejudices"

That is the only part of your post that I don't understand.

I do not believe that I am prejudiced at all.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"It certainly is imflamatory; it's insulting to Jews, Americans, and others, and it exposes many of your own irrational prejudices. I disagree with most of it vehemently, but I am not fond of censorship. JC"

Really? Well, that's what you think, and it's fine with me.

But I would like to say points in my defense:

1) The people I am saying are involved are a tiny minority of the populations of certain countries. And I am aware that Russia and other countries have commited terrible acts in the past, but that does not mean that all Russians are evil, does it?

2) What I said all adds up.

3) I didn't mean to offend anybody.

4) I know that you are all very good to be so tolerant of me, and I must remind you all that I am not Nazi or anything, I believe that all races are equal, for instance.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 16, 2002


"If you ASK ME"

So, I'm not going to ask you.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 15, 2002


BACK TO DINOSAURS.

How fast do you suppose Gallimimus ran?
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 15, 2002


Alright. The press never gives the 100% truth.

For instance, Tom G actually beleived that serbs used ethnic cleansing and killed hundreds of civillians. OK. Many people beleived that.

Now you all know that terrorrists don't wear uniforms. That would be plain stupid if they did.

Serb armed forces often had to deal with men in civs shooting at them with automatic weapons. Muslim terrorrists, similar to what recently attacked the USA. Of course, they defended themselves, and killed them. Or sometimes the Serb police raided houses where armed and very dangerous terrorrists where holding out. It doesn't matter which.

The point is, they stacked up the men they had shot. Leaving them lying around is unthinkable. They put the weapons in a separate pile, or confiscated them.

Also, Muslim terrorrists often kill each other. Rival groups, or Muslim terrorrists killig Muslim civillians to take their food and property. Or terrorrists killing their own people who don't support them enough.

But of course, almost all the Muslims there hate the serbs, so CNN film the wailing widows who heap the blame on the serbs.

Also, and please don't ask me for proof, it is very likely that the US government supported the Muslim terrorrists in certain countries. Of course, in Israel, because all the rich resource mining companies practically own the USA, (It isn't Bush's plan to drill for oil in Caribou calving grounds, it's the companies and they are all owned by Jews), the Israeli Jews are supported by the USA, (and subsequently practically the whole UN. What is the UN? The USA and almost everyone elso, who all do what they're told, apart from Russia and China, and a few others.)

Now that the terrorrists turned on the USA in the tragic 9/11 incident, where totally innocent people where killed, if the theory is true then the USA have stopped helping any terrorrists now that they realise what these people can do.

But the point is that the US government does whatever it wants anywhere as long as the USA is benefited. In Serbia's case, the USA want it to be split into tiny countries, all dependent on the USA for existence, and the USA could then buy their raw products very cheaply. Playing on human greed: they split up the country and give the pieces to greedy little politicians who want power but end up depending on the US entirely. That way the US ensures there's no competition.

And the act I was talking about was something you should have been taught about that the US did to Japan.

Please don't take this personally, the vast majority of the population has nothing to do with any of this, and then again I might be wrong, (although I'm sure I'm not,) and I have nothing against the American popultaion like you.

Actually, I think we ought to concentrate on Dinosaurs now. I really am straying off the topic entirely! This isn't a politics forum, after all.

BTW: Some of you may want to attack me viciously because of this post. Before you do, though, please take the time to think what that will acheive. If you think this post is too inflamatory, then of course feel free not to post it JC.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 15, 2002
It certainly is imflamatory; it's insulting to Jews, Americans, and others, and it exposes many of your own irrational prejudices. I disagree with most of it vehemently, but I am not fond of censorship. JC


"If you ASK ME"

Yes. want to know your opinion, if you think it'll be all right. And I'm well aware that the U.S. has committed acts that can be considered very bad, but so has Britain and many other countries as well.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?; May 14, 2002


"Name one that was more terrible. I can't thing of ANY that was more terrible, killing innocent people like that, and thousands of them too!"

Mmm, the example I wanted to give may actually upset you and I don't want anybody here to dislike me. My point is that the USA has commited certain... acts, itself. What's more, I know some people with what they beleive is evidence for... something you also don't want to hear, I think. If you ASK ME, I'll tell you, but if you decide you want to know don't get all angry and upset. After all, I have nothing against the citizens of the USA.

If you want me to give you my opinion, I will. Just let me know.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 14, 2002


"and the MOST terrible, by the way"

This post actually proves one of my points.

But I guess Tim M is right, there is no guage to acts of terrorrism.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 14, 2002


Hi everyone!

I'm sorry I couldn- didn't, I mean, reply to all those posts, just I've bought "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" on friday, and I've been solidly playing ever since.

I told you I'm a harcore gamer!

And it's 9:04 now in England, and it's tuesday tommorow so I can't post now, either! I'll give you some of my political views later.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 13, 2002


"
I can see how because your an American you think 9/11 is the most terrible traged, and it was a very terrible tragedy. But thing alot
worse have happened in other countries. For example what happened in Kosovo when the serbs killed thousands of people, and in
Chilie when thousands of people were killed and the genocide in Uganda when Idi Amin killed hundereds of thousands of people.
But 9/11 was still a terrible tragedy."

In terms of tradgedies like 9/11, the is no "most terrible" or "least terrible". There's no way to measure the atrocity of these events. They are all too terrible.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?; May 13, 2002


"Yes .sometimes if there is a sub-species they do have a third part to there latin name."

Yes, like "-Equus-equus-caballus" and "-Equus-equus-prezwalskii"
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?; May 13, 2002


"Uh... They don't call America "Uncle Sam", Uncle Sam is just a guy from political cartoons that reprisents America."

Oh... just old generals interviewed in programmes about WWII say "Uncle Sam" instead of America.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; May 12, 2002


"Interesting. I have a question. If there are different subspecies of a particular species, do they have three parts to their latin name? A genus, a species, and a third part, for that particular subspecies? I'm afraid no animals with three parts to their latin name spring to mind right now, but I've certainly seen many animals with that."

Yes .sometimes if there is a sub-species they do have a third part to there latin name.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?; May 11, 2002


"Name one that was more terrible. I can't thing of ANY that was more terrible, killing innocent people like that, and thousands of them too!"

I can see how because your an American you think 9/11 is the most terrible traged, and it was a very terrible tragedy. But thing alot worse have happened in other countries. For example what happened in Kosovo when the serbs killed thousands of people, and in Chilie when thousands of people were killed and the genocide in Uganda when Idi Amin killed hundereds of thousands of people. But 9/11 was still a terrible tragedy.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?; May 11, 2002


"Many other, often much more terrible tragedies had happened before..."

Name one that was more terrible. I can't thing of ANY that was more terrible, killing innocent people like that, and thousands of them too!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 11, 2002


America doesn't think they're most special! Just, a terrible tragedy happened, and the MOST terrible, by the way. All of those people and firefighters died in the WTC, so we'll be mourning for a long time. that doesn't mean the nation thinks it's the most special. I don't think any country does, like England. You have to live here to know!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; May 11, 2002


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