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Dino Talk Dec. 1-5, 2001: A Dinosaur Forum

What are Acrocanthosaurus's predators and prey?
What are some specific eating habits of Acrocanthosaurus?
What was the anatomy of Acrocanthosaurus?

from Adrian H, age forgot, Atlanta, Atlanta, USA; December 5, 2001


You might be right Tim, I thought that this one would have other dinos. I've never heard of Wyomingraptor, the one I was thinking of was ornitholestes
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"If I were to vote on the most insulting, it would be Gloman"

ok.......who do you think is the nicest, JC?
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001
That's too hard a question, there are a lot of candidates. JC


Did everyone hear about this? I found this press release (first paragraph) at the National Geographic site:

HUGE FOSSIL CROCODILIAN DISCOVERED IN SAHARA

Washington, D.C. October 25, 2001-Fossil remains of one of the largest crocodilian species ever to live have been found in the Sahara by a team led by National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence Paul Sereno, a professor at the University of Chicago. The croc is believed to have reached 40 feet (12 meters) in length, comparable to the length of a city bus.

Looks like the National Geographic Channel is going to air a show about it on December 9th. If you're not sure if you get the NG Channel, you can check your availability at this link: http://cwemedia.net/supercroc/index.html
from Luciaa, age 23, ?, CA, ?; December 5, 2001


Isn't Wyomingraptor just an Allosaurus that Baker foundin wyoming?
from joe o., age ?, ?, ?, US; December 5, 2001


What kind of name is Wyomingraptor? A nomen nudum! (Listens for da masta laughing) :D

And the mystery Wyoming theropod is Ornitholestes, right?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; December 5, 2001


WYOMINGRAPTOR??? what kinda name is that????????
from diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


trex is wered i dont like it.
from ??????????????????????????????????????????????????, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"i never knew there were so many dinosaurs"

How many genera again Tim, 1097, or something like that?
They where the dominant life form for, how long again? 170 million years? They where as varied and diverse as mammals are today!
And most dinosaurs haven't even been found yet!

I think you'll find dinosaurs VERY interesting!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"I like the news network thingy, Ceratosaurus, make more.

Can't ANY dinosaur beat T-rex???????????????????????
TWO CARCHARODONTOSAURS? AN ANGRY TOROSAUR? A SAUROPSEIDON? AN ARGENTINOSAUR? A BIG DASPLETOSAUR ON A LITTLE T - REX? WHO THINKS WHAT?
by the way have any of you guys read the next chapter of my "story"

Yes, CNN is good.
And I'll read your story over the weekend when I can relax and enjoy it properly.

And I wasn't siding with Gloman's actions, by the way. If it was him, which I do not beleive.

And Honkie Tong. Hmmm. [Rubs chin thoughtfully.] I really don't care what people think. As long as I'm accepted by the regulars, and JC at least doesn't mind me, I'm fine. This squabbling is below me. I'll just ignore it now, for real. As long as I can exchange trivia with T - Master and Tim, talk to Brad and Diloph and Tom, and Gianna, and other nice people, and help young people with essays and homework, I really don't care if everyone else in the world swarms me. I'll ignore them, because to me people who dislike me and want me barred or something like that, I just don't have time for them.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


It was me who posted that.
from Gloman, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


JC, why do you think my posts can be the most insulting? I never mean any harm. I've seen horrific posts, and you don't take them as seriously as mine.(No offense, of course, just in case you get offended. Human feelings are a mysterious thing.) There are posts worse than mine. Much worse. At least I'm (almost) always happy!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001
Yours are certainly not the most insulting. If I were to vote on the most insulting, it would be Gloman. JC


"1. Because it's named for Gaston.
ABSOLUTELY! ROB GASTON!
2. I'm not sure excatcly what you mean. There are several things you could call protubences.
THE BIGGEST ONES JUST BELOW AND STICKING OUT TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE NEURAL SPINE. ZYGAPOPHYSES, IN OTHER WORDS. THAT WAS MEANT TO BE AN EASY ONE! I'VE BEEN READING TOO MUCH ANATOMY, THEN...
3. Teeth and Cranial material.MAN, YOU'RE GOOD!
4.The Tetanurae are distinguished by 3 or less fingers, stiff tails, and their Maxillary fenestra. SURE THEY ARE!

Good trivia, Da masta. THANKS!

Now try mine:
1.What year was the Euplocephalus described and by whom?BY LAMBE. I THINK HE CALLED IT STEREOCEPHALUS (TWO HEADS!) OR SOMETHING FOR SOME WEIRD REASON IN 1902, BUT IN 1910 HE CALLED THE DINOSAUR EUPLOCEPHALUS! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED? BECAUSE I MAY HAVE NOT DONE IT RIGHT...
2. Why is Stygimoloch named Stygimoloch? "STYGI" MEANS "THORNY" OR SOMETHING. MOLOCH IS SOME KIND OF PAGAN FOREST GOD, OR DEMON, I THINK. IT HAD LOTS OF BIG SPIKES STICKING OUT OF THE BONY SHELF AT THE BACK OF IT'S HEAD, SO I THINK IT WAS CALLED STYGIMOLOCH BECAUSE OF THAT. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU MORE TRIVIA BUT I'M PRESSED FOR TIME RIGHT NOW!
3.Which of these, Ornithichian or Saurichian, has a hip bone know as the Prepubis?" ORNITHICHIAN, I THINK.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"Actually you could do a lot better by getting more information before you make your move. You seem to have a very bad habit of going forward on extremely sparse information and with great deal of personal interpretetion on the issue*THAT'S WHAT PALEONTOLOGY IS ALL ABOUT, MAKING INTERPRETATIONS ON LITTLE EVIDENCE LEFT BEHIND.*, hence the Albertosaurus limbs factual mistakes, the incorrect description of the arctometatatsalian pes and of course, thinking the page needs debugging...*SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I'M ONLY HUMAN, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. I CAN'T BE BLAMED, CAN I? I AM NOT QUITE AT YOUR HIGH LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE YET, SO GET USED TO IT. IT WILL TAKE A WHILE FOR ME TO GET UP TO YOUR LEVEL.*
Hmm... Just a gentle reminder.*YES, WELL, I'VE MADE MISTAKES, I'M A POOR SINFULL MISTAKE MAKER, AND I WILL PROBABLY, CONTINUE TO MAKE MISTAKES. UNTIL I IMPROVE.*"

AND MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT JC IS A MAN. IT'S ME THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY BLAMED, THOUGH. JC. YOUR ONLY CLUE. A MAN OR WOMAN? WELL, I WASN'T GONNA KILL MYSELF OVER IT, SO I PRESUMED. AND WELL, I WAS WRONG. BUT I KNOW NOW.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"1.I am a small theropod- I was found in Wyoming- I way about 30 pounds- There is only one skull that has been found of me- It is possible that I had a small spike or horn on my nose- Do you know who I am."

Ooh... proceratosaurus? I think so! Good trivia there! Never stop posting trivia again! I love it!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"Velociraptors Quiz Thay weighed how mach 100 60 50 200 33 32 31 20000 5 1 0 3 33"

What are the units, kilos, pounds, what?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


"Who's this Da Masta? He sounds like a real jerk."

Thank you Lillian. I think we've talked before on the voting forum. Many people hate me, but I can't be blamed for their misunderstanding.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


From what I know of Gloman, that post is quite unlike him. It could well be a gremlin post. Of course, insulting this site is a heinous crime. JC and freinds put a lot of care and work into this site. When I said "this site needs debugging" I was not criticising it. I was stating that the site needed some minor problems fixed (although now I know that I was wrong.) Don't get me wrong, I love this site. I apologise again, JC. I think Gloman phrased himself badly. I think he was angry about how people abuse this site, not talking about dinosaurs, and just making trouble. I understand THAT. Anyway, I think it was a gremlin again.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001
Thank you. JC


you have got a point tim M. it might be the gremlin person.
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 5, 2001


i never knew there were so many dinosaurs
from ?, age 29, sprague, ct, us; December 4, 2001


Frankly, I'd think cracking down on "Gloman" would be right, but can we be sure he actually said that? With all the Gremlin posts, I don't think we can be sure...
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


T-Master:
Is it Wyomingraptor?

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


Oh, well GLOMAN...you don't have to be here! JC is right. Go to the superior sites and leave us alone.
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


I like the news network thingy, Ceratosaurus, make more.

Can't ANY dinosaur beat T-rex???????????????????????

by the way have any of you guys read the next chapter of my "story"
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


"Help save Enchanted Learning: Don't let it go the way of the dinosaurs."
Hmmm...Let me think about it........NO WAY! This stupid website has caused enough problems! It is full of immatureity,raceism,insults,attacks,and just plain fools who have no intelligence with their attacks and insults! I have found other websites full of mature adults.Those websites are "superior" to this one! They don't even bash animals! There is all my anger I ever had against this website unleashed!!! JC if u want my opinion,this website is a monster.
P.S.I have no anger against JC or Da Masta.I can't donate money anyway.

from Gloman, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001
If that's the way you feel, you should go to the superior sites and stop writing this site and wasting all of our time. JC


Velociraptors Quiz Thay weighed how mach 100 60 50 200 33 32 31 20000 5 1 0 3 33
from Adam, age 8, york, PA, USA; December 4, 2001


Da masta isn't a jerk
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


Good job,

1. Was Amargasaurus
2. Therizanosaurus.

1.I am a small theropod- I was found in Wyoming- I way about 30 pounds- There is only one skull that has been found of me- It is possible that I had a small spike or horn on my nose- Do you know who I am.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


Who's this Da Masta? He sounds like a real jerk.
from Lillian Tay, age 14, ?, ?, ?; December 4, 2001


mY list of (new)fave dinos:

1) Dilophosaurus and Allosaurus
2) Triceratops
3) Yangchuanosaurus
4) Brachiosaurus
5) T-rex
6) Postosuchus
7) Compsognathus
8) Iguanodon
9) Charcharodontosaurus
10) Stegosaurus

from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"I'm sorry for thinking earlier that you are a bloke, JC. I only found out that you are a girl now. It's hard to work out whether JC is a guy or a girl, if you've never met them before. JC could be James Cook or John Clifton for all I knew! But now I know. Sorry."

Actually you could do a lot better by getting more information before you make your move. You seem to have a very bad habit of going forward on extremely sparse information and with great deal of personal interpretetion on the issue, hence the Albertosaurus limbs factual mistakes, the incorrect description of the arctometatatsalian pes and of course, thinking the page needs debugging...

Hmm... Just a gentle reminder.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"You ought to think what impact your post has on other people. The swarming had NO impact on me."

This is my take, on the "swarming", and it's true purpose, drawing from my experience from previous conflicts.

Actually in this kind of conflict, nobody really cares what the "enemies" think. You haven't been around here for long but the actual purpose of the "swarming" as you have termed it, was not to affect you emotionally, but to discredit you in front of other people, something which they seem to have done extremely well. I can't deny that "they" have made massive advancements in the recent days. You don't seem to be aware of that, but the posts weren't calculated to affect you at all, only your credibility, something which has taken a massive battering recently both in part by them and your own fumbling.

In other words, they are winning.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


Uh oh...enchantedlearning is becoming a victim of its' own sucess.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


1. Because it's named for Gaston.
2. I'm not sure excatcly what you mean. There are several things you could call protubences.
3. Teeth and Cranial material.
4.The Tetanurae are distinguished by 3 or less fingers, stiff tails, and their Maxillary fenestra.

Good trivia, Da masta.

Now try mine:
1.What year was the Euplocephalus described and by whom?
2. Why is Stygimoloch named Stygimoloch?
3.Which of these, Ornithichian or Saurichian, has a hip bone know as the Prepubis?

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


Yo're a girl JC? You struck me as a boy.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001
I am female, but I haven't been a girl for decades. JC


"I have been observing you all for the last few months. i have read everything you have said, and considered it. PATHETIC. You little kids think that you are well cool, talking about what you dont have a clue about, I have been studying dinos since i was 6, i dig them up for a living, I KNOW!!! I am the all knowledgeable, move aside people, and i will show you how pathetic you little rats ae and how much i know.(from work experience)
THE REAL MASTER(DAVID)"

Niceness over Knowledge is the mood here, and I agree with it. The swarming is pathetic, yes, but I would not call any person here pathetic.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"way can't we agre about a favorite dinosaur?
from jamie b., age ?, Valencia, pa, ?; December 2, 2001"
People have different views. Why can't the fighting stop would be a better way of putting it. (No, no offence to anyone, jeez, do I have to say this every time?)
"Are you guys stupid?*NO!* Carnotaurs were real. I have tons of books and he is in every one. Besides I probably know more than you guys about dinos anyway."
You don't know most of us yet!

And that post from CNN was great, very inaccurate, but that only makes it authentic! It's entertaining! Do more!

But I don't wanna fight! I like it here, and I'm not leaving. I will always support allosaurus, no matter what the ungrateful fans say, as well. And I respect Honkie Tong. I'm not doing this to win the "war," I respect him just 'cause I do! And I will take no offensive action, because some people need proof that I am not nasty and I think all I will do is defend myself against anyone who decides to attack me.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"Great job guys, it looks like we beat Da Masta soundly."

No. Just I don't want to fight and you do. And even JC thinks I'm the bad guy.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"Hey Often Wrong (Honkie Tong) you may be right about the Albertosaurus legs but you don't have to rub it in!!! What exactly is your problem? Why is it when you prove people wrong you like to rub it in??? So you think you are so smart??? Well, go fly a kite. Da Masta, why are you making friends with him*I LIKE HIM.*? Why are you running away from those swarmers by saying you want to end the topic*BECAUSE I'M NOT NASTY. I DO NOT WANT TO ATTACK THESE PEOPLE, I WANT THEM TO STOP BEING NASTY.*? Show some backbone! Honkie, if Tyrannosaurus was so good, what good was his arms? Huh? I guess T-Rex is not so good after all!!! HAHAHAHA! See you beat that one Often Wrong!!!
HUH? I DID NOT WRITE THE ABOVE POST.
"Has anybody read my stories?"

I started, and I like them.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001"
OH YES. THIS I DID WRITE. BUT I DIDN'T WRITE THE STUFF ABOUT HONKIE TONG.

"from Johnny, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001"
I THINK JOHNNY WROTE THAT. I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU JC, OR ANYTHING. PLEASE DO NOT BE OFFENDED. YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED, AND I DO NOT WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE, ESPECIALLY YOU. JUST THAT I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO MISTAKE MINE AND JOHNNY'S POSTS.
Do you think I deserve to be swarmed, JC?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001
Please keep me out of this*OK.*. You've written most of the posts lately, not other people*YES. I LOVE IT HERE.*. And you're the first writer who got me so mad*I DIDN'T MEAN TO OFFEND YOU! PEOPLE ARE VERY EASILY OFFENDED BY ACCIDENT. I'M SORRY.* that I had to answer your insulting post - all to no avail*TO NO AVAIL MEANS YOU WANTED A RESULT. BUT I HAVEN'T INSULTED ANYONE WHO DIDN'T FEROSIOUSLY ATTACK ME AND WANT ME OFF THE SITE. I EVEN DEFEND MYSELF LESS THAN ANYONE ELSE WOULD. JUST I'M ATTACKED A LOT. PLEASE DON'T HATE ME!*. JC

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001
I certainly don't hate you. JC


"Iguanodontids like Iguanodon, Muttaburrasaurus, Altirhinus, and Ouranosaurus had a bony spike up to about 25cm long"

Muttaburrasaurus is questionable. It may not be an iguanodontid."

I thought so! Australia had no links to europe, asia or america in the cretacious, when the iguanodontids evolved. So muttaburrasaurus evolved separately from iguanodontids, but must have had the same ancestors!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


I'm sorry for thinking earlier that you are a bloke, JC. I only found out that you are a girl now. It's hard to work out whether JC is a guy or a girl, if you've never met them before. JC could be James Cook or John Clifton for all I knew! But now I know. Sorry.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"Great job guys, it looks like we beat Da Masta soundly.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001"
Some people will say "look who's talking", (and perhaps quite rightly,) but that post is very wrong. You ought to think what impact your post has on other people. The swarming had NO impact on me. it only showed me which people here lacked maturity, to argue without offending anyone, like Honkie Tong can.
"HEY HONKIE TONG, WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE? DA MASTER IS SMARTER THEN YOU! DA MASTA, I'M WITH YOU.
from Da Servant, age ?, ?, ?, USA (Oooooh-saaaa); December 2, 2001"

No no no! I was never against Honkie Tong! I respect him! Don't take me wrongly! I like to argue with him since he is a very worthy opponent! Please don't insult anybody saying that it's because of me. Thank you for telling me that I'm clever, but Honkie Tong is very clever too. I don't know exactly how clever, but I like him. He has a very good life already I think. I don't want to dissapoint you, but I like Honkie Tong. If you are with me, then be nice to people and explain to John that he is being very unthoughtful in his posts, because he is. What did I do to you John, that you want to beat me?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


JC, I was talking about:

"You can be very insulting and are on the verge of being banned from this site. JC"

I think that you found my post accusing and you wheren't very happy. I love this site! I wanna still be here when I'm 18!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


Thanks for telling me Brad. I'm especially keen in dino anatomy! It's hard though. I sit up in bed every night reading books with stuff like:

"The basipterigoid processes are short, directed rostroventrally with a rostrodorsally facing surface for the pterygoids. The pharasphenoid is not known. The thin orbitosphenoids meet at the midline, forming the floor of the olfactory tracts (fig. 21 .2H,I), are semicircular in cross section, and are slightly constricted at midlength. The laterosphenoids are short and thick, especially rostrally."

In them. It's hard, but I have passion for paleontology!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"Here are some new trivia questions, I will give clues about the dino, and you can find out what it is.

1. I am a sauropod-I was found in Argentina-I am about 30 feet long-two rows of spines run down my back, do you know who I am?

2. I eat plants but I am a theropod-I weigh about three tons- When scientists found my fossils, they thought I was a large turtle- I have the largest finger bones of any creature that ever lived on earth, what am I?

Have fun
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001"

Tom G got the answers first (well done Tom,) but I knew the answers anyway, (hope you beleive me!) Amaragasaurus, the remarcable sail - backed sauropod, and my favourite, the unusual Therizinosaurus!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


It's a little unnerving to have somebody analyse you like that, but all in all, I think the CNN folks did a fantastic job of simulating actual journalism and actually drawing uncomfortable parallels with what is happening here to events unfolding in another country somewhere in the middle east.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"Well, everyone knows that the pes is the foot. And the metatarsals are the bones between the phalanges (fingers) and the ankles, (tarsals.) In humans the bones of the foot. The arctometatarsalian pes is simply the foot of the creature above the metatarsals. The tarsals, in other words. In theropods they are long, you can see in pictures, in fact, that theropods walk on their toes. That makes the foot longer, so they can can have a longer stride. But all theropods had that, not just late cretacious ones."

Wow...you couldn't be further from the truth. All theropods having the arctometatarsalian condition? That's a new one. Humans having the arctometatatsalian condition??...

...

Nevermind...
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


Now you see Da Masta, the fault is in you. For so long you have blamed others for your plight, but it is actually all in you. Coming here you have shown no respect for anybody, talking inconsiderately, loudly, demandingly, using bad lauguage, swearing, jumping into conclusions, shouting at others, delve down to personal attacks through unintelligent stories and using bad language on other people when you accuse the of something they have not done. And now, you dare put yourself as a person deserving of any sort of reprive? You have gone forward on little information, puffed up only by an overbearing sense of self, and now, after your atrocious behaviour here, you are shocked to find that you are on the verge of being banned? Frankly, few are impressed with your overbearing, high mantainence ways and much less your proud and reckless behaviour. This is hardly your webpage that you may behave in such a way, posting dirty jokes and swearing. Somebody has to step in to stop your overbearing behaviour, nobody is liable for you. Go on your stubborn and meritless arrogant ways little man, and soon you'll find yourself out.
from Gradinko, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


"It took hundreds of years of technological advancement, and loads of people, directly and inderectly involved to make the tank.
An angry mob armed with crowbars is the best I'd give the humans if they where to prove themselves against an allosaur."

I don't see how this can how up as an argument. After all, the time we took to innovate something like an Abrams, counting from the start of the gunpowder revolution, is in terms of a few hundred years. The Abrams is an final result of hundreds of years of inventions, which is all the more reason we should use it. After all, the amount of time we took to innovate the Abrams is just like a nanoblink in evolutionary terms. If Da Masta's argument held, it can be argued that Allosaurus must be handicapped by having the small, primitive dinosaurs he evolved from to fight as a proxy against humans with crowbars because it took a great load of animals and effort to finally evolve Allosaurus, not to mention a great load more time then it took to innovate the Abrams. I don't think the "it took us a lot of time to make the Abrams" holds, not without destroying itself in the process. In the end, Da Masta's argument runs intself down. Humans I guess, have proved themselves to be clearly superior. After all, it took animals millions of years to figure out how to fly and we have already busted their best airspeed records in less then a century of aviation, by more then a hundred fold. I guess we humans are upstarts after all.
from Lee back, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


I assume this was some post from Johnny.

"Hey Often Wrong (Honkie Tong) you may be right about the Albertosaurus legs but you don't have to rub it in!!! What exactly is your problem? Why is it when you prove people wrong you like to rub it in??? So you think you are so smart??? Well, go fly a kite. Da Masta, why are you making friends with him? Why are you running away from those swarmers by saying you want to end the topic? Show some backbone! Honkie, if Tyrannosaurus was so good, what good was his arms? Huh? I guess T-Rex is not so good after all!!! HAHAHAHA! See you beat that one Often Wrong!!!"

Well, what Tyrannosaurus' arms were good for was being small, freeing up weight and space in his see-saw design to allow for a fantasically large head. I suppose his arms had some kind of function, for they weren't exactly structures that were being deevolved (if that was the case, the extremely derived Tyrannosaurids would feature extremely simple and small arms) rather, the arms of Tyrannosaurus do seem to serve a purpose, whatever it may be, it was quite useful for the Tyrannosaurus design seem to devote a lot of energy into making them very strong and heavily built, for a structure that's supposed to be useless. So his arms were good for something after all, though I don't think they are really revelant to his status as a predator, his fearsome jaw more then makes up for it by many times. Other extremely large counterparts like Giganotosaurus also had very small arms, but unlike Tyrannosaurus, they were extremely simple and in obvious "deevolution". So Tyrannosaurus must have retained some use, which remains unknown to us, for its arms.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


I might as well make a list of my favourite dinos

1)Utahraptor and Allosaurus
2)Anklyosaurus
3)Diploducous
4)Deinoychus
5)Velociraptor
6)Coelophysis
7)Stegosaurus

from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


T master I'll answer your trivia

1. I am a sauropod-I was found in Argentina-I am about 30 feet long-two rows of spines run down my back, do you know you I am?

Amargasaurus

2. I eat plants but I am a theropod-I weigh about three tons- When scientists found my fossils, they thought I was a large turtle- I have the largest finger bones of any creature that ever lived on earth, what am I?

Therizinosaurus
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 3, 2001


To THE REAL MASTER(DAVID):
No offense, but real dino experts do not bloat about how good they are at dino know-how

from William C., age 18, Sydney, NSW, Australia; December 3, 2001


"Iguanodontids like Iguanodon, Muttaburrasaurus, Altirhinus, and Ouranosaurus had a bony spike up to about 25cm long"

Muttaburrasaurus is questionable. It may not be an iguanodontid.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; December 2, 2001


"Question. Well, everyone knows that the pes is the foot. And the metatarsals are the bones between the phalanges (fingers) and the ankles, (tarsals.) In humans the bones of the foot. The
arctometatarsalian pes is simply the foot of the creature above the metatarsals. The tarsals, in other words."

Incorrect. 'Arctometatarsalian pes' is a fancy way of saying that the third metatarsal is 'pinched' between the second and third- it gets narrower towards the top. 'Arctometatarsalian' does not simply refer to the fact that theropods have metatarsal bones.

"In theropods they are long, you can see in pictures, in fact, that theropods walk on their toes. That makes the foot longer, so they can can have a longer stride. But all theropods had that, not just late cretacious ones."

True. The term you're looking for here is 'digitigrade', not 'arctometatarsalian'.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; December 2, 2001


"I have been observing you all for the last few months. i have read everything you have said, and considered it. PATHETIC. You little kids think that you are well cool, talking about what you dont have a clue about, I have been studying dinos since i was 6, i dig them up for a living, I KNOW!!! I am the all knowledgeable, move aside people, and i will show you how pathetic you little rats ae and how much i know.(from work experience)
THE REAL MASTER(DAVID)"

How come a supposed 25 year old paleontological wonder has the emotional development of a 5 year old? Prehaps there's more to meet the eye. When he said he dug for dinosaurs, it could be just he was the guy fetching drinks and running errands for the real people doing the digging.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


If CNN wants to know, this "coalition" can't say we are not pleased with our latest advancements, and are now planning the next phase of our offensive. But I'm afraid we can't give anymore information that might compromise our boys in the field. All I can say is, ground troops of sizeable number have been deployed.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


"Little kids" as reffering to age 7-10 or the maximum rate at my age.Anyway I knew dinosaurs since I was 3 or maybe 4 but its a fact.Okay okay I'm ordinary.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; December 2, 2001


I'm back!
My list:

1) T-Rex. usual.
2) Allosaurus. because it is cool and I'm not listening to the insults about it.
3) Iguanodon. Favorite plant eater.
4) Dilophosaurus. Don't know why
5) raptors. Gone way down.
6) Triceratops. second favorite plant eater
7) Ornitholestes. Don't know why
8) Compsognathus. "

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


I have been observing you all for the last few months. i have read everything you have said, and considered it. PATHETIC. You little kids think that you are well cool, talking about what you dont have a clue about, I have been studying dinos since i was 6, i dig them up for a living, I KNOW!!! I am the all knowledgeable, move aside people, and i will show you how pathetic you little rats ae and how much i know.(from work experience)
THE REAL MASTER(DAVID)

from THE REAL MASTER, age 25, ?, Orlando, Florida, USA; December 2, 2001


Here are some new trivia questions, I will give clues about the dino, and you can find out what it is.

1. I am a sauropod-I was found in Argentina-I am about 30 feet long-two rows of spines run down my back, do you know who I am?

2. I eat plants but I am a theropod-I weigh about three tons- When scientists found my fossils, they thought I was a large turtle- I have the largest finger bones of any creature that ever lived on earth, what am I?

Have fun
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


I read your stories tom. I think they are really good.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


"Has anybody read my stories?
>From Tom G.,?,?,?,?"

I have.
from Austin V., age 8 1/2, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Hey Often Wrong (Honkie Tong) you may be right about the Albertosaurus legs but you don't have to rub it in!!! What exactly is your problem? Why is it when you prove people wrong you like to rub it in??? So you think you are so smart??? Well, go fly a kite. Da Masta, why are you making friends with him? Why are you running away from those swarmers by saying you want to end the topic? Show some backbone! Honkie, if Tyrannosaurus was so good, what good was his arms? Huh? I guess T-Rex is not so good after all!!! HAHAHAHA! See you beat that one Often Wrong!!!

"Has anybody read my stories?"

I started, and I like them.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Do you think I deserve to be swarmed, JC?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001
Please keep me out of this. You've written most of the posts lately, not other people. And you're the first writer who got me so mad that I had to answer your insulting post - all to no avail. JC


from Johnny, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001

"Actually, how do you know they didn't walk in suspension Honkie?"

Well, recent studies into dinosaur leg bones to find out how strong they were turned up strength factors that were lower-then-expected in large bipedial carnivorous dinosaurs (Allosaurus, Tyrannosaurus...etc..etc), even lower then that of the heaviest land animal that can gallop today, the rhino (about half that in fact). This does not mean that dinosaurs had weak limbs, just that their limbs weren't at one bit designed for absorbing the stresses of moving in suspension, which is a good thing, for such a heavy animal to move in suspension, requires a great deal of energy and the impacts of the animal coming down would be horrendus anyway. Rather, it would be a lot more sensible to move by taking large strides without ever leaving the ground in suspension. (actually, I suspect no animal above 2 tons can go into suspension, rhinos are already pushing the very limit with a remarkable feat of engineering and massively strong limbs) The large Tyrannosaurids were extremely effcient in this mode of movement, having unusually long and gracile legs for their size to "cheat" by geometric advantage to increase stride length, plus a small and lighter foot to save energy when swinging in the movement arc. Tyrannosaurus rex actually had longer legs then other more-primitive designs of similar size like Giganotosaurus or A.Max, the same is that for all other Tyrannosaurids. I don't recall Albertosaurus having any sort of longer legs by proportion, though the smaller Tyrannosaurids, who didn't have to worry about weight and concentrate more on speed, had very gracile limbs.

"I SAID THEY WOULD DODGE THE SHELLS AND RUN AWAY. I KNOW THEY CAN'T HURT IT. DO YOU THINK I'M A FOOL OR SOMETHING? YOU'VE UPSET ME HONKIE(AS IN MADE ME SAD.). AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SHERMAN TANK, NOT THE ABRAMS.*."

Relax, I was just throwing in additional thoughts. But I doubt any dinosaur alive or reasonable size can dodge a shell from an reasonably skilled Abrams gunner though, the fire control system is just too good. As an footnote though, scientists have indicated it was possible for a Tyrannosaurus to damage a WW1 tank (yes, those unreliable, 4kph slow moving, 15-ton iron boxes) though, it's bite force its enough to penetrate the armour or strip a track, quite a feat, for an animal.

"liplerdon vs. gigantosauryus."

I don't really think these kinds of battles are any sort of intelligent. Not because of the size disparity, but simply because it's not pratical. The Giganotosaur would be overly disadvantaged near the water as would any land based animal to consider this a true match of abilities while the Liopleurodon ceases to be a credible threat on land. In fact, he would look kinda ridiculus.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


CNN

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Bringing you accurate, professional paleontology news

Breaking News:

Da Masta takes massive losses, Tyrannosaur fans make gains in conflict
By Ceratosaurus

(CNN) - After days of unrelenting strikes from the Tyrannosaurus fans-led coalition forces, Da Masta's resolve appears to have cracked as he withdrew in a rout from the frontlines of the conflict by declaring a sudden ceasefire.

The last time such a massive withdrawal of forces occurred was in the last major conflict in Dinotalk between Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus, where the then-Allosaurus leader, Sean S. finally cracking after a short series of skirmishes with Honkie Tong, retreating in a rout and disappearing after being soundly defeated on all fronts.

The move comes despite reinforcements coming into Dinotalk in the form of Johnny to aid Da Masta's cause. Johnny has show what is described by our online correspondents as "aggressive" and "unwavering" support of Da Masta, launching into a furry of attacks on still-neutral Dinotalk veteran Honkie Tong.

Despite being bolstered by Johnny, Da Masta seems to have beaten a hasty retreat as a whole from the conflict with Tyrannosarus fans-led coalition forces, declaring that he had no longer the intention to carry on the battle. After enduring massive strikes for several days, Da Masta finally declared his intention to retreat from the battle.

"THIS ENDS THE ALLOSAURUS VS TYRANNOSAURUS "DEBATE" AGREED BY GIANNA, DA MASTA, T - MASTER, BRAD, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE."

The sudden cessation of resistance and Da Masta's rout could be seen as a reason that strikes in by the Tyrannosaurus fan-led coalition were relatively mild in the passing two days. As they consider their next move after what can only be described as a decisive victory against Da Masta.

Amazingly, Da Masta considers the sudden drops in strikes, or "swarming", as he terms it, is due to the fact that the coalition is giving up. Despite having massive numbers of coalition troops moving in to occupy the position he has once held, and showing signs of preparing for another large strike.

"They're stopping now, don't worry. They're seeing sense. You want me to go mad don't you?" Claimed Da Masta in a speech, comment from the other side could not be obtained, due to the fact that the coalition does not have a formal leader, and that the other side may be unwilling to disclose details of their next move, which may involve an invasion.

However, any attempt to see this as any sort of gain by Da Masta was refuted by CNN war analyst, Carnotaurus. Who declared this retreat as a "debacle" for Da Masta and a major gain for the Tyrannosaurus fan-led coalition.

"I've never seen a Tyrannosaurus led-offensive give up so easily" Said Carnotarus. "And this case will be no different, much less so after a major victory in the pitched battle of Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus. Though their success here is not as decisive as the last Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus battle involving Sean S. and Honkie Tong, this is because they do not have the support of Honkie Tong yet and that the members of the multidinosaur coalition have to be considerate of each other. However, to think that the sudden cessation of strikes as an end to the conflict as a sign of anything other then them getting ready to consider their next move after their stunning sucess will be folly. Da Master better start digging in and improving his defenses. I don't think considering the Tyrannosaur led-coalition to give up after winning a decisive battle is wise at all."

A follow up offensive against Da Masta to destroy his offensive capabilities has been speculated as the coalition consolidates its positions in its' massive gains after Da Masta's retreat. The entire contested area of Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus is now soundly under coalition control. Da Masta has now retreated to his own corner, continuing to fend off incoming strikes, but its clear his focus is now far from Allosaurus, which he had given up to the coalition fans in his retreat, and now mainly on the superiority of his character.
It is not clear at press time, if the coalition is going to continue to press in onto Da Masta, in the light of their massive gains.

Despite the days of limited strikes launched by the coalition, it appears that massive numbers of coalition troops are now in Dinotalk, observing the situation and getting ready to make the next move as the population watches from the sidelines. The Tyrannosaurus military restricted news media from disclosing the exact location and number of coalition forces, but the force is understood to be the sizeable.

In an apparent attempt to prevent Honkie Tong from joining the coalition, Da Masta has made attempts to reconcile with Honkie Tong, announcing his previous attacks as regrettable and tactless, asking Honkie to understand that he could seem a little rude at times. He has even made rather uncharacteristic comments by saying he "RESPECTED" Honkie deeply and regarded the Dinotalk veteran as a "friend" who responded "smoothly" to attacks.

Some have speculated the latest move, apparently to build ties with Honkie Tong, a main Tyrannosaur authority in Dinotalk, may be to prevent Honkie Tong, who was noticeably offended by the what has been named the "Albertosaur Attack", from moving over to the coalition, massively boosting their already-formidable strength and creating what CNN war analyst Carnotaurus describes as an "nightmare" situation for Da Masta.

Honkie Tong at this point, has remained neutral.

Another blunder was also made by Da Masta when he made a statement claiming ZoomDinosaurs was ineffective in sufficiently conveying and displaying information and saying that the webpage needed "debugging". Webmaster Jeananda Col. was not impressed by Da Masta's latest comments.

"That's you choice of font (or character set) - not my site." Said Jeananda Col. "I do not modify what people send (except to disguise swear words) and when posters use on-standard characters, not all browsers can view them properly. If might help if you thought more about what you wrote before you sent it and also thought about how other people might feel about your accusations. For example, in this post, you could have asked why this was happening and not blamed me for what was your own lack of knowledge. You can be very insulting and are on the verge of being banned from this site."

This latest development comes as a massive blow to Da Masta's already compromised situation. As the Tyrannosaurus fans-led coalition considers its next move, which may involve a major offensive to move in and destroy Da Masta as an offensive member of Dinotalk, and with his current lack of success to get relativity neutral, but increasingly Tyrannosaurus-leaning Honkie Tong on his side, added with his latest unfounded criticism of ZoomDinosaurs. Da Masta's position can be what can only be described as precarious, a far cry from the credible offensive force just a few days ago.

"But the coalition must be careful not to underestimate Da Masta." Cautions CNN war analyst, Carnotaurus. "Da Masta still has some fight left in him, and Johnny could also pose a potential threat. This war is far from over, it just took a turn in a favor of the Tyrannosaurus fans, and they best not make overly much of it and consider their next move carefully."

Article: A New War

By Carnotaurus, sister of journalist Ceratosaurus and war analyst

Even as the front lines continue to evolve across the frontlines in Dinotalk in an extremely fluid situation, things are not as easy as they are seen online. Despite massive gains in moves against Da Masta, he retains a credible offensive capability and despite the loss of the pivotal Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus battle, turning the battle against him and not his home ground, the Tyrannosaurus fan-led coalition is not without its own problems. If anything, it is the easy part of the war that is over, and rooting out Da Masta on his own turf is going to be the most dangerous phase in any coalition movement.

Despite gains by the coalition, Da Masta is not without gain. Da Masta, has to a limited extent, managed to appeal to the sympathy of some Dinotalk civilians as a beleaguered fighting force under overwhelming odds. With some prominent civilians like Tom G. and Tim M. taking a pro-Da Masta stance, criticizing the Tyrannosaurus fans-led strikes, that may now become a major offensive after their stunning victory in the Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus grounds. Johnny, a newcomer who is explicitly and militaristically on the side of Da Masta may also prove to be one of Da Masta's greatest assets in this war, which is rapidly turning against him. Though Johnny made a blunder in his opening post by attacking neutral Honkie Tong, he could well prove useful later against the coalition, with his aggressive and confrontational style. Though it is not clear if Johnny will continue to post after his first post, this is something to be watched as a development Da Masta can regard as positive to his cause. Given the way Johnny surfaced in support of Da Masta, who knows who else lurks who might also lend Da Masta support in the military form?

This war is also unlike any other the Tyrannosaurus fans have fought, with no firm established dinosaurs to argue against. Instead, what they do have is a foe which is elusive and undefined, rooting for no particular dinosaur. Despite winning all major confrontations before, like the Jimmy war in the voting page, considered the First World War in the history of ZoomDinosaurus, and the massive BBD battle in Dinotalk, long considered the Second World War of ZoomDinosaurs and greatest conflict by which others are measured rather decisively, and with not a single loss of any war to their record. One can say that due to the conditions here, it would be folly to assume the Tyrannosaurus fans will win this one.

The Tyrannosaurus fans are also fighting for the first time in a coalition of other dinosaur fans, including traditional enemies like Triceratops and Velociraptor. The reason this very coalition is possible in the first place is not because they are attacking Da Masta for, as what he says "liking all dinosaurs and standing up for all". For it would lead to a conflict of interests within the coalition. Why would a Velociraptor or Allosaurus work with a Tyrannosaurus fan, after all, when Da Masta is attacking their long-hated enemies and supporting them? If what Da Masta says is correct, that all dinosaur fans are putting aside their differences and attacking him as a group for at supporting all dinosaurs, then the coalition would not be possible. The fact that Allosaurus fans themselves have been seen working in the coalition lends discredit to the idea. Should what Da Masta say be correct, we should have seen Allosaurus fans fighting from him side, and not abandoning him to his own resources, leading him to be forced to give up ground and finally lose the Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus battle (which is one you expect Allosaurus fans would want to win).

More likely, this unusual coalition of traditional enemies, which was formed after Da Masta's fantasy story attacks, are attacking him for the very reason that these fan killing stories to them represented the very lowest and barbaric way somebody could debate, leading to the forming of the coalition to permanently disarm Da Masta offensive abilities. This explains the shocking turn of events in which even Allosaurus fans were working in the coalition.

However, this coalition is fragile. An impromptu collection of dinosaur fans who would be ready to debate each other to pieces at the drop of a hat to a common good. Despite their common objective to destroy Da Masta as a credible offensive force, it can be observed that all of them have their own interests for doing so. The Tyrannosaurus fans, who were personally insulted, see this as a form of payback and vengeance. The Allosaurus fans, like Angry Allosaurus, are in the coalition to remove another what they deem an "incompetent" debater from further spoiling the reputation of Allosaurus, left in tatters by Honkie Tong after the last major conflict with Sean S. With the sudden retreat of Da Masta from the Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus and with Da Masta in effect, stopping support for Allosaurus. One wonders if the Allosaurus fans may still remain the coalition. Other dinosaur fans, like the Triceratops or Apatosaurus fans, may have their own unknown reasons for being in the coalition, but one thing is clear- This coalition is certainly not united in interest, which could be a bad thing for the Tyrannosaurus fans leading it as it might fragment under a careful political play by Da Masta.

Indeed, some, including my brother Ceratosaurus, have speculated that the sudden withdrawal from the Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus battleground, may serve a double purpose of conserving strength, which had taken severe losses in the strikes, as well as to remove the Allosaurus fans from the coalition, who seeing their main personal interest of removing Da Masta as an "incompetent" supporter of Allosaurus.

Though it may seem as a compelling theory, this author thinks it is unlikely. Given the diplomatic blunders Da Masta has made recently, like in offending neutral Honkie Tong. Perhaps believing in a state of paranoia that Honkie Tong was also in the coalition, and taking severe losses from the strike, Da Masta had sought to bring the conflict to a resolution by publicly shaming the Tyrannosaurid authority in an vicious an apparently unanswerable attack. However, despite realizing that Honkie Tong was not in the coalition and despite having the double trouble of having Honkie Tong rather conclusively and amazingly answer his attack and turn the tables, he took time to take correct measures by apologizing to the Dinotalk veteran. Perhaps it was some cause of relief to Da Masta and dismay to the coalition that Honkie Tong had not joined the opposition against him. Other even more glaring diplomatic blunders was his entirely uninformed criticism of ZoomDinosaurus, which offended the webmaster and possibly big fans of this page.

Given these glaring blunders, and perhaps his lack of showing deep thought in his actions, this author thinks it is unlikely that Da Masta has the political fortitude or aptitude for such a maneuver. It is more likely that this retreat is just that, a retreat, but afforded Da Masta the extra advantage of adding a destabilizing factor into the coalition. One could argue that Da Masta's recent blunders are deliberate to create the impression that he was incompetent and irrational to his opponents, who tend to view the worst of him, causing them to underestimate him, but such circular arguments could run on forever with little chance of solution, so let's get onto other topics. But this author's opinion is: that this retreat from the Allosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus was just that, a retreat.

But like Da Masta, the coalition is also a force to be reckoned with, not underestimated. Despite being formed from traditional enemies with a great deal of bad history between them, their showing of force was solid towards Da Masta. And they have been devastatingly effective against Da Masta, despite his denunciations of them as a "bunch of irrational" fans; they have showed painful accuracy and competency in picking out good targets to strike. Their immediate reaction to Da Masta's Albertosaurus attack on Honkie, and their furious expenditure of hard and accurate hitting ammunition from this incident put Da Masta on the defense and showed their full competency in this kind of warfare. They are hardly the random insulters that we see in the Sean S. led Allosaurus militia in the last major conflict.
However, this is the first time since the Tyrannosaurus fans are fighting without the support of Honkie Tong, who has so far remained neutral in this war, despite giving them indirect and perhaps unintentional support by shooting down some of Da Masta points when challenged. However, the general absence of Honkie Tong in this war is somewhat of a disadvantage on the coalition's side, compromising their ability to bring the war to a decisive and certain end under his heading as they has always did in all the other conflicts. But as said before, the frontlines of this conflict are hardly clear and victory for the Tyrannosaurus fans cannot be taken for granted as always as it had been in history.

But the Honkie Tong factor is expected to play throughout this conflict. Having rapidly moved up the ranks from a green rookie in mid 2000 to a talented and arguably the deadliest debater in Dinotalk, Honkie Tong fought his first major war as a trooper alongside other newcomers like Leonard, who is now also a veteran in the Second World War of ZoomDinosaurs against BBD, in a long, protracted war of attrition that lasted a few months that finally ended when BBD finally surrendered and left. Possibly drawing from experience gained from the fierce conflict, Honkie Tong went on to rise up higher in the ranks in Dinotalk, finally heading major debates against foes of almost every sort, the worst and most insidious of was Sean S., who along with debating, peppered his speech with personal insults of all sorts. In every one of them, the Tyrannosaurus fans with Honkie Tong paving the way have emerged victorious, with Sean S, who tried to launch a new conflict recently in a badly backfired plot by declaring all Tyrannosaurus fans "no better then terrorists" fading into virtual exile. Even ZoomDinosaurs superpaleo expert, Brad, has commended Honkie Tong for being the best debater. Honkie Tong's knack for turning his opponent's commonly overly aggressive and confrontational post back against him and finding amazing ways to bring his points across so well that they are difficult to refute, along with his up-to-date knowledge of a large genera of science and applying them to his arguments make him a very much welcome addition to any side in a conflict.

But given he usual ability to surprise us, what Honkie Tong will do next is difficult to predict, but this author expects the Dinotalk veteran to play a significant role in whatever happens next, be it peace or a major offensive. As the war evolves from a fierce conflict to Da Masta retreating in a disorganized rout and the coalition making massive gains, what that happens next in this new and unusual war with no dinosaurs as borders can only be speculated. -- Carnotaurus

*The writers are big fans of all dinosaurs and conceived this project as practice for a real newsletter school assignment. The writers reports from a neutral point of view does not endorse the view of the Tyrannosaurus fans nor Da Masta.
from Ceozoic News Network, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


way can't we agre about a favorite dinosaur?
from jamie b., age ?, Valencia, pa, ?; December 2, 2001


Are you guys stupid? Carnotaurs were real. I have tons of books and he is in every one. Besides I probably know more than you guys about dinos anyway.
from Dan W, age 11, Hatboro, PA., USA; December 2, 2001


Great job guys, it looks like we beat Da Masta soundly.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


HEY HONKIE TONG, WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE? DA MASTER IS SMARTER THEN YOU! DA MASTA, I'M WITH YOU.
from Da Servant, age ?, ?, ?, USA (Oooooh-saaaa); December 2, 2001


Honkie Tong, how do we know that theropods didn't walk in suspension?

"That's you choice of font (or character set) - not my site*Sorry, sorry.*. I do not modify what people send (except to disguise swear words) and when posters use on-standard characters, not all browsers can view them properly*I was not accusing you. I'm very sorry if you got that impression, but I wasn't.*. If might help if you thought more about what you wrote before you sent it and also thought about how other people might feel about your accusations*Well, yes. I ought to think more about how I present my post.*. For example, in this post, you could have asked why this was happening and not blamed me for what was your own lack of knowledge*I wasn't blaming you. Again, I'm sorry if that is what you thought. I just stated that something might have gone wrong, but it was my lack of knowledge in the end.*. You can be very insulting*I can't think of a response. Sometimes I defend myself, sometimes when I argue I can be kinda rough, often it is because people see it in a different way from what I meant. I don't mean to be insulting or nasty. It upsets me that some people do view me like that. * and are on the verge of being banned from this site*Please don't JC. I always thought my position here was secure, and when you said that my heart gave an unpleasant jolt. I love it here, most of the time.*. JC"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


I've been looking throughout the archives, and I've seen how good the regulars have been to me here even when I can be obnoxious. Sorry everyone. Where is Buffy C? No sign of her. I think I'll answer the

"Dear Buffy:
I would really like it if you could answer my query.
What exactly is the arctometatarsalian pes in the late Cretaceous Theropod? And what effect does it really have on the more gracile digitigrade theropods?"

Question. Well, everyone knows that the pes is the foot. And the metatarsals are the bones between the phalanges (fingers) and the ankles, (tarsals.) In humans the bones of the foot. The arctometatarsalian pes is simply the foot of the creature above the metatarsals. The tarsals, in other words. In theropods they are long, you can see in pictures, in fact, that theropods walk on their toes. That makes the foot longer, so they can can have a longer stride. But all theropods had that, not just late cretacious ones.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Carnotaurus' arms where small and puny, the smallest arms in comparison to body size in all the dinosaurs! He had four fingers, and none where spiked. Did any Abelisaurids have spiked thumbs? And why do people make such a fuss about my posts? I was only saying that I like allosaurs and that people should not attack them, and I was attacked! By everyone! On a kids site! That is something so shoking and abysmal I still don't understand it. I am just a poor little therizinosaur fan, after all!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


I have 1 question to the REGULAR dinotalk users (ie. Tim M, Honkie Tong, Brad:) which of my messages do you think are too aggressive and what you would term "fighting?"

That will help me see where I really went wrong. And you don't need to tell me about the message with the swear.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Iguanodontids like Iguanodon, Muttaburrasaurus, Altirhinus, and Ouranosaurus had a bony spike up to about 25cm long, I think, instead of thumbs, to rake down branches to get at the leaves, and for defense. Iguanodontids had some of the most specialised hands of any dinosaur. The three middle fingers where strongly built and where tipped with blunt hooves for walking on. The thumb, (originally thought to be a nose spike,) was for raking down leaves to eat from trees, and defense, and the fifth finger was slim and flexible, used to grasp branches and pull them towards the mouth.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


JC you said you like kids. If this one is banned he will be very very sad his life will be ruined (no cruel posts from people in answer to this please.)
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001
When exactly did I say that? JC


~~~ DA MASTA HOMEWORK HELP AND TRIVIA ANSWERING PLEASE POST THEM TO ME~~~
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


If I'm good will I be off the "caution" list?

I can't think of any more good deabte topics. Has anyone got homework problems? I ought to start a "homework help" site.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, Please don't ban me JC!; December 2, 2001


Attacking people is credit to know - one. (This is answer to the person who was on about shooting me.) Credit to the scientific community (in this case paleontological) is done through talking about dinosaurs, learning about them, discovering new things and putting forth new theories. Shooting someone will get you a lot of time jail.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Now I won't answer as many posts as previous, I'm kind of shocked...

Trivia:

1) Why is the armoured dinosaur Gastonia called Gastonia?
2) What are the proturbances on either side of a vertebra called?
3) What material is Xiaosaurus known from?
4) How are tetanurans distinguished? ie. in a cladogram or something

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


"That's you choice of font (or character set) - not my site. I do not modify what people send (except to disguise swear words) and when posters use on-standard characters, not all browsers can view them properly. If might help if you thought more about what you wrote before you sent it and also thought about how other people might feel about your accusations. For example, in this post, you could have asked why this was happening and not blamed me for what was your own lack of knowledge. You can be very insulting and are on the verge of being banned from this site. JC"

What could I do? I was being swarmed. I had to defend myself. And some may find my arguing style a bit too rough. I'll try to be more subtle. What can I do to go back to my previous, innocent, clear of crimes position now? Because when I realised I was "on the verge of getting banned" it was a horrible shock, and it makes me nervous.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


"But there is such thing as a carnotaurus.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; December 1, 2001

ive heard somewhere that the carnotaurus has a spiked thumb*That's Iguanodontids!*
from William C., age 18, Sydney, NSW, Australia; December 1, 2001

there is no such thing as conotaurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hey! I like carnotaurs! How can you deny that such an interesting creature existed?

A short essay on Carnotaurus for those interested! :)
(note: I'm trying to be Mr. Happy to avoid accidentaly offending people)

Carnotaurus belongs to a group of dinosaurs called the Abelisaurids, which have short, steep, "bulldog" snouts, and thickened bone or horn above the eyes! Carnotaurus lived in what is now Argentina during the late cretacious, my guess either the santonian or campanian. It ate meat, but, in strange contrast to it's massive head, it's lower jaw was slender and delicate, with thin, needle teeth. It was about 7.6m long, and probably about 2.3m tall at the shoulder. It had arms smaller in proportion to body size thatn even T - Rex!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Wow... This is my favourite site, JC. If that happens I will be a very sad boy indeed. And I wasn't accusing you. That was just an opinion... Sorry... OK, total change, I lose all character and only respond to trivia, people who need help with homework, and direct questions! That'll be hard for me though, since I always insist on talking to everyone.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


I agree that this fighting is awful. Good to see so many people taking action. I'll see if the swarming has stopped. I'll try to ignore it, they'll stop once they see it's not having any effect.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


Has anybody read my stories?
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 2, 2001


This fighting is stupid. Can't we just talk about dinosaurs.
from Tom G, age ?, Thames, Coromandel, New Zealand; December 2, 2001


But there is such thing as a carnotaurus.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; December 1, 2001


ive heard somewhere that the carnotaurus has a spiked thumb
from William C., age 18, Sydney, NSW, Australia; December 1, 2001


there is no such thing as conotaurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from kinley, age 9, kincardin, n.b., canada; December 1, 2001


I really hate to intrude, but these personal attack arguments are getting, to say the least, obnoxious.

"Your maturity level in taking adversity and responding to it in an apporiate manner is really low."

Frankly, I'm rather disgusted at the entire way these arguments are going on.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


""Alright, times up for you Rexer fans, T-Rex has been on the top for too long itÃs time he gets cut down to size. Da Masta, IÃm with you, if they can swarm us, we can swarm them too. The Rexer fans are going to wish that their dinosaur was never the top in the first place. Honkie, you speak like you know a lot about dinosaurs, but you actually do not. Ha! DonÃt you know Albertosaurus legs were just as long and as strong as Tyrannosaurus?"
*PLEASE DO NOT SWARM JOHNNY. ACTUALLY, THANK YOU JOHNNY. YOU REVIVED MY ARGUMENT!*
Honkie Tong: Johnny, as much as you may be riving for combat, I donÌt see why I am the target of anybody who has a bone to pick with T.rex, and I certainly donÌt understand whatÌs the reason for you hostility towards me *YOU ARE THE MAIN TYRANNOSAUR PERSON HERE. YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING BUT YOU KNOW ENOUGH.*. But just for your information, I think your statement about Albertosaurus limbs being just as long and as strong canÌt be based on much actual knowledge of the matter of your part. For measurement for measurement, Tyrannosaurus was proportionally no different from Albertosaurus. Taking that into account, itÌs impossible for Albertosaurus to have longer limbs. Not unless you want to somehow argue that an animal with its legs 9 feet long would have limbs the same length of another animal with legs 12 feet long. I donÌt see how itÌs mathematically possible. On the idea of Albertosaurus having limbs just as strong, I also do not see where itÌs coming from. After all, Albertosaurus did not show any potential for having more muscle in its limbs, neither could you argue that its limbs were better adapted for speed. For both had exactly the same limb bone proportions, they were equally gracile. So Albertosaurus limbs were neither as long, nor as strong as Tyrannosaurus limbs. This is not to imply that either animal ran faster then the other, but just that neither animal was better adapted then speed for the other. ItÌs practically impossible to say that Albertosaurus must have been 15mph faster, for at some point in its life, Tyrannosaurus had been same size as Albertosaurus, and would have run equally as fast at that point. Pertaining to which, some scientists argue that the large Tyrannosaurids were the fastest when they were in their mid youth, slowing down as they piled the size on*CONTRADICTING YOURSELF HONKIE. YOU SAID WEIGHT DOESN'T MATTER, SINCE THEY DIDN'T WALK IN SUSPENSION. AND THERE'S ALSO NO PROOF THAT THEY WALKED IN SUSPENSION! WELL, MAYBE THERE IS, BUT PERHAPS YOU OUGHT TO SHARE IT.* , though an adult Tyrannosaur would still be one of the fastest things in its size class around. So if you plot the fastest speeds ever achieved by Albertosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, youÌll find that the fastest speeds they ever reached in all their lives were about the same. In that way, itÌs not logical to say Albertosaurus had any sort of a meaningful speed advantage at all. What Albertosaurus had was a ÏvirtualÓ what I would like to call ÏholotypeÓ speed advantage, a mirageous as they so say, a statistical illusion.

"Humans aren't deadly Honkie Tong. Abrams tanks aren't deadly either."

I don't see how Humans can be considered anysort of doctile. Sure, we don't kill with our natural weapons (like we had any*THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.*), but I doubt any animal would not consider us as "not" deadily. Humans are after all, the most dangerous and top predator on this planet. *BECAUSE OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT AND TOOL - MAKING AND EDUCATION. WE HAD TO WORK HARD TO GET HERE.*

And if you're talking in terms of sheer ability, the 70-ton M1A2 Abrams MBT, piloted by an average crew, can just defeat not just any dinosaur, but every dinosaur we know, and by a very wide margin there's not a thing they can really do about it. I can hardly see how any dinosaur can really hurt a 70-ton Abrams, not even by stomping on it, and the thing moves at 43mph. One shot from the 120mm smoothbore cannon can kill just about any dinosaur in a single shot, even the massive sauropods. It appears you view Dinosaurs vs. MBT more on a Godzilla scale*WHAT?!?*, which couldn't be farther from the truth*WELL DUH. LIKE I NEED TO BE TOLD.*. Dinosaurs were after all flesh and blood. I doubt any dinosaur stands much chance against an M1A2 Abrams*I SAID THEY WOULD DODGE THE SHELLS AND RUN AWAY. I KNOW THEY CAN'T HURT IT. DO YOU THINK I'M A FOOL OR SOMETHING? YOU'VE UPSET ME HONKIE(AS IN MADE ME SAD.). AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SHERMAN TANK, NOT THE ABRAMS.*."
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Actually, Leonard does strike up a real concern. Your maturity level in taking adversity and responding to it in an apporiate manner is really low. While you implore others to treat you good, you yourself start the adversity by using all manners of bad and underhand tatics onto them*REALLY?*. I've seen the Mr. Honkie Albertosaurus attack *IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS? I WAS NOT ATTACKING HIM.* by you everybody is talking about and what a discusting piece of work. And this IS the person who freely insults others and responds to them in such a way and HE expects people to treat him good though he treats them like dirt*I RESPECT HONKIE TONG DEEPLY. I RESPECT MANY PEOPLE HERE. I WOULD RESPECT YOU, TOO, IF I HAD SOMETHING TO RESPECT YOU FOR. I HAVE A REASON TO DISRESPECT YOU, BUT DON'T WORRY, I AM NEUTRAL.*? Pitree, I say, he's no royality lads, he's no punching bag, it's too good a fate. He should be a target board to be preforated by multitudes of firea! rms of all sorts*YOU ARE EVIL AND SADISTIC. GO ON A NAZI SITE WHERE YOU BELONG.*. And he jolly well deserves it paid in full. Give these people no quarter, they don't deserve any. Carry on laddies, and do yer dinosaur and the scientific community proud."

They're stopping now, don't worry. They're seeing sense. You want me to go mad don't you? (Sorry again Leonard.) I really am learning from Honkie well. My caps lock is only ever to distinguish my writing on this page from yours. And I think it's sad that someone comes to a children's dinosaur site and all he does is to make trouble, and attack someone. Do you want to talk about dinosaurs or not? Because that's what you should be here for. If you're not, go away somewhere else. If you decide to stay and talk about dinosaurs then I'll be happy to receive you. And your attitude disturbs me "they deserve to be firearm targets,etc." This is a site for children! People who are nasty to people who are nasty to them are just as nasty the nasty people who did it to them in the first place. Know I understand Honkie's smooth reaction. Thank you, Honkie.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


Hi, Diloph, I like your story!
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


I think this site needs a little debugging. In some posts all non - letter characters end up as question marks.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001
That's you choice of font (or character set) - not my site. I do not modify what people send (except to disguise swear words) and when posters use on-standard characters, not all browsers can view them properly. If might help if you thought more about what you wrote before you sent it and also thought about how other people might feel about your accusations. For example, in this post, you could have asked why this was happening and not blamed me for what was your own lack of knowledge. You can be very insulting and are on the verge of being banned from this site. JC


"Quote:
"liplerdon vs. gigantosauryus"

Hehehe,that would never have happened :D

Liopleurodon(NOT a dinosaur,only a marine reptile) lived where what is now England during the late Jurassic.
WHAT WAS PROBABLY MEANT WAS THAT IF BY A FREAKY ACCIDENT OF NATURE THE TWO MET. BUT A GOOD POINT.
Giganotosaurus (carcharadontasaurine) lived during the early Cretacious in what is now England.

And btw,you might want to do a spell check to be sure you spell the genus names right.Just don't mix the therapod _Giganotosaurus with the sauropod _Gigantosaurus."
I DO THAT MISTAKE VERY, VERY OFTEN.
"Did you guys know dinosaurs DO swim :)

hehehehehe

That includes therapods such as ducks,geese,swans,penguins,seagulls,Hesperornis,and so on."

VERY FUNNY. NON - AVIAN DINOSAURS COULD SWIM TOO I THINK. T - REX AND DROMAESAURIDS AND HADROSAURS.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


Did you guys know dinosaurs DO swim :)

hehehehehe

That includes therapods such as ducks,geese,swans,penguins,seagulls,Hesperornis,and so on.
from KillerRaptor, age 17, Germantown, TN, U.S.A; November 30, 2001

"I LIKE DIPLODOCUS. Why? because It was nice unlike T-rex. He killed everyting while gentle Di[lohocus didn't do anithing.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001" Good. I like to see people who don't just all support T - Rex and Velociraptor.

Actually, here's my list.

1) Therizinosaurus (Yay!)
2) Piatnitzkysaurus
3) Dilophosaurus (suddenly enters my list. I have seen more dilo pictures now, I got some new dino encyclopedia earlier, and I think they look beautiful. Really graceful, with that colourful crest. Some dinosaurs look too bulky and unsubtle.)
4)Stygimoloch
5)Stegosaurus
6)Pachycephalosaurus
7)Homalocephale
8)Kentrosaurus
9)Cryolophosaurus
10) T - Rex has gone way down. He doesn't strike me as a particularly interesting dinosaur, or unusual in lifestyle or looks or anything. I have a tendency to like unusual dinoz. The more interesting, the better. T - Rex was a brilliant predator, but although he was the best of his kind, you can't really say that he was unlike no other.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Hello Tim M.
My name is Diloph(as you can see).
Read my story on Short Works if it's posted yet, tell me if you like it"

I'm not Tim M but I like to think of him as a freind. But I read your story too. Although It's not a story yet, It's good and what I think really distinguishes it is that it is very original. Too many people do Godzilla or base it on Michael Crichton's novels. I like it. Waiting for the next chapter! Also, a good idea is type it up on word and then copy and paste it on. You can make it longer that way.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


""Humans aren't deadly"
I disagree, our intelligence makes us deadly in some ways.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

liplerdon vs. gigantosauryus.
from ?, age ??, ???, ????, ?????; November 30, 2001"

If by a freaky incident of nature the two actually met, the liopleurodon would grab the gigantosaur with it's 50cm long teeth and then drown it. No contest.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Yes I think dreams are messages, da masta. Get this:

I had a dream I was miles away from a fire and my family had to run away........
a few days before Sept. 11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001
OH. WELL... I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY... FINE. I'M NO EXPERT AT INTERPRETING DREAMS.
I never swear.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001
AH, ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.
Let's start a new topic, shall we, allo vs. rex is kind of old, and how about one where something isn't beating anything.

What dinosaur, that has been discovered, would you think has the worst defense, is just a slow or weak dinosaur that probably was practically no challenge for a predator?

this is not trivia, just a topic
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001"

I DON'T THINK ANY DINOSAUR IS SLOW AND WEAK AND UNARMOURED. IN A COMPETITIVE WORLD UNSUCCESSFULL DESIGNS DIE OUT QUICKLY. TO SURVIVE FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME YOU NEED GOOD ADAPTIONS. IF YOU DON'T, WELL, THAT'S THE END OF THE SPECIES. THE WORLD DOES NOT WORK IN A WAY WHICH ALLOWS UNSUCCESSFUL SPECIES. ORGANISMS ARE UNDER PRESSURE TO ADAPT, OFTEN SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT WARNING. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE SPECIES. IF A SPECIES IS NO MATCH FOR A PREDATOR, IT WOULD DIE OUT VERY SOON. AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE EVOLVED IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT WITH ALL THE COMPETITION! WHOOO COLLECTS FOOOSSSILLS?!? WHO AGREES WITH ME? ABOUT MY NO DINOSAUR WAS TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF RUNNING AWAY OR DEFENDING ITSELF EXPLANATION? AND SOME OF MY POSTS ARE IN CAPS LOCK TO HELP DISTINGUISH THEM FROM THE WRITING OF OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE QUOTES I USE ON MY POSTS. OH, AND 1 LAST THING: "Da Masta has a long-standing hostility against Honkie Tong..." BUT THEN THAT MAKES THE CNN EVEN MORE AUTHENTIC. T! HE BBC AND OTHER COMPANIES THAT DO NEWS BULLETINS ALSO CONTORT THE TRUTH TO MAKE GOOD STORIES. I NEVER DISLIKED HONKIE TONG. I RESPECT HIS GREAT DEBATING TALENT. I AM ACTUALLY A GREAT FAN OF HIS AND BILLY'S DINO WARZ, COMING UP TO IT'S THIRD SERIES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT THAT I WANT ANOTHER UPDATE ON THE CURRENT SITUATION FROM CNN!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"I refuse to be one of those people who thing comp can kill rex. Though i'm not a rex fan comp killing rex is one of the stupdest things i ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DILOPHOSAURUS AND TRICERATOPS RULE"

Er, that was an example I pulled from the air. I don't remember any - wait a minute! Someone did say that! And I agree with Diloph! 6,000,000,000,000 compys couldn't kill a T - Rex!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


Thank you Brad.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Da Masta however, defended himself by saying he was not attacking Honkie, but merely ÏdebatingÓ with him. And that there was nothing wrong with the use of bad words in ZoomDinosaurs, an excellent educational webpage meant for children, for everybody has said a bad word at one point in his life. He has also, in a sudden reversal of opinion, said that most of what Honkie said was right. Though he made no attempt to retract his Ïmost of it's b*llsh*t!Ó statement on Honkie, leading some to point out that there was a severe contradiction in terms of logic.

ÏHow can a person be usually right, if you say that most of what he says is usually *badword*? It's crazy, it's a contradiction.Ï Said Veloci. Mon, a Velociraptor fan who showed uncharacteristic and significant cooperation with the Tyrannosaurus fans in this conflict, despite a recent match between the species.

Da Masta, has appealed to people not to attack him for whatever mistakes he may have made, calling this attack of his unintended mistakes Ïill-manneredÓ.

However, some people have appeared to be unmoved by Da MastaÌs appeal, stating that somebody who Ïjumps up when he thinks he spots somebody elseÌs mistakes, no matter how unintentionalÓ (In reference to Da MastaÌs post to Honkie). Is a hippocrate to demand that. Gradinko, an person who appears to live both in America and Russia, was one of them."

Actually, I only said that tyrannosaurus being the fastest, strongest and biggest dino is bull. And I don't just jump up and attack people. And I never rub it in. Most hardcore Rex fans do, though.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


But I'm not waging a war and it's dying down now. I did apologise to Honkie etc. And the swarming is receding.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"*The writer is a big fan of all dinosaurs and conceived this project as practice for a real newsletter school assignment. The writer reports from a neutral point of view does not endorse the view of the Tyrannosaurus fans nor Da Masta.
from Cezonic News Network, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001"

My God your good! Write more! You're gonna get an A* if it's graded! Haaa haa haa! It was funny too! Write more please, Ceratosaurus. It was real good!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Alright, times up for you Rexer fans, T-Rex has been on the top for too long itÌs time he gets cut down to size. Da Masta, IÌm with you, if they can swarm us, we can swarm them too. The Rexer fans are going to wish that their dinosaur was never the top in the first place. Honkie, you speak like you know a lot about dinosaurs, but you actually do not. *Maybe not other dinosaurs, but he is the leading authority on tyrannosaurs here. Thank you for taking interest in my point, anyway.* Ha! DonÌt you know Albertosaurus legs were just as long and as strong as Tyrannosaurus?"

Well, although T - Rex is like the most advanced predator ever, it is annoying how people all worship him. He's too popular. But I have always said if people like T - Rex, who's to stop them? It's their decision. Albertosaurus did have longer legs in proportion to body size than T - Rex though, although they wheren't as long. Honkie proved that as their running was a kind of fast walking, weight didn't matter. So although in proportion to body size the point is good, in the real world T - Rex was as good a runner as albertosaurus. So the argument is already closed. Actually, how do you know they didn't walk in suspension Honkie? And thanks again Johnny, but please try to be nicer to Honkie. We may argue a lot, but generally we're freinds.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


I just wanted to ask Veloci. mon to talk about dinosaurs in this post. How many times to I have to apologise before you people are happy?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Re: Dilophosaurus vs. Lufengosaurus

While I should be happy to discuss something prosauropod-related (prosauropods are my favourite dinosaurs), I've decided to take a break from Dinotalk until the fighting dies down again. *It almost has. Don't go now. There's no point. It's sad that the regulars left their forum when the swarming started. But everyone's coming back now.* Why does it matter that Lufengosaurus is a large prosauropod, when Dilophosaurus is a large theropod*Ah, but dilophosaurus is interesting. It's mouth is lined with long, thin sharp teeth, but it's jaws where not very strong. The top jaw has a kink in it behind the third tooth, from my observations. And it is very slender. And light. It has relatively formidable claws for the early jurassic, though. And prosauropods had formadible, long claws themselves.* ? I'll think about it...."
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"I never swear.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001"

I do rarely. Like when you drop something very heavy on your foot. As of when appropriate, but I guess it wasn't then, and it never is here. As I said, I still have some things to learn this site and the people here. Sarz.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Da Masta, though I don't think you being swarmed is right"

Oh, sorry. I didn't see the "don't" part!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Da Masta, though I don't think you being swarmed is right, *really? I thought you where neutral? I don't think anybody deserves it.* you should apologise to Honkie for your )(*$@@@@ comment. *I have.* He isn't you emeny *Do I need someone to tell me that?* and you certainly wronged him in this case by saying most of what he says is (*&^@@@@. *Really? You misinterpreted it. I said that tyrannosaurus being the fastest and strongest dinosaur ever is bull. <-- please notice no swearing.* "
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Poor whimpy Allosaurus, all he has is a little mad mad standing up for him. Common, compies could beat Allosaurus.
from Compies rule, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"

Do I look like a "little mad mad" to you? Well, nobody here's ever seen me, apart from Keiran and God of gamblers, and I can assure you I'm not, but I don't think my posts are THAT mad. Perhaps some are a little insane, but there you go. Besides, Tom G likes allosaurus, He's Gianna's 3rd favourite dinosaur, and I like allosaurus. Tim and Brad like him. The other, mostly ungratefull allosaurus fans like him.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"I posted everything I got in the mail - please send it again. JC"

I've remembered it, and I'll probably post it at some other sad, T - Master depleted time. After all, when he's here there should be trivia. I'll see if he posted any. I hope he has.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"I don't think it'll be a problem for people to defeat Allosaurus. Firstly, Allosaurus was a rather weak dinosaur, by Tyrannosaur standards *HE WAS SUB STANDARD BY TYRANNOSAUR STANDARDS, BUT HE WAS NOT A TYRANNOSAUR, IF YOU MEANT THAT. TYRANNOSAURS LIVED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS LATER, WHEN STANDARDS WHERE HIGHER. IN THE CRETACIOUS YOU NEEDED TO BE TOUGHER THAN IN THE JURASSIC. ALLOSAURUS WAS ALL VERY WELL A GREAT PREDATOR FOR THE JURASSIC, BUT A TYRANNOSAUR COULD BEAT IT.*, and secondly, we humans managed to kill wolly mammoths *A FEW. WE DID NOT DRIVE THEM TO EXTINCTION, THOUGH. IT WAS THE FLUCTUATION OF ICE AGE, NO ICE AGE, ICE AGE, NO ICE AGE THAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE PLIOCENE AND THROUGHOUT THE PLEISTOCENE THAT KILLED THEM. THEY WHERE UNDER PRESSURE TO ADAPT, BUT THEY COULDN'T. AND IT WAS DANGEROUS, THE POEPLE WOULD HAVE SUFFERED CASUALTIES, AND MAMMOTHS ARE RELATIVELY DOCILE HERBIVORES, NOT FEROCIOUS, CARNIVOROUS DINOSAURS.* A and rive extinct many gigantic mean animal species like saber toothed cats, *THEY DIED OUT WHEN THE FORESTS STARTED TO THIN OUT, AND THE GREAT OPEN PLAINS AND SAVANNAHS DOMINATED THE LANDSCAPE, AND THEY HAD TOO LITTLE COVER TO AMBUSH THEIR PREY, SO THEY ALL WENT HUNGRY AND DIED OUT. PEOPLE WHERE ON THEIR MENU!* dire wolfs *WELL, NOW PEOPLE HAVE GUNS AND BLACK HEARTS SO WHAT WONDER IS IT THAT WE'RE MAKING WOLVES ENDANGERED SPECIES?* and so on and so forth. Even before we had guns or knew how to make metal. Allosaurus, spaced out by 125 million years, hardly stands a chance. *ALLOSAURUS DIED OUT BECAUSE OF A CHANGE IN FLORA, RESULTING IN A CHANGE IN FAUNA, WHICH KILLED IT OFF. COMPETITION FROM SUPERIOR CRETACIOUS PREDATORS, AND DIFFERENT PREY REQUIRING DIFFERENT HUNTING STRATEGIES.* What is the most dangerous hunter on earth anyway? Man after all*FROM ABOUT 2000 BC ONWARDS I'D SAY.*, even before he had guns*YES, HE HAD SWORDS AND ARMOUR AND SPEARS.*."
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"albertosaur: 2.5 tons"

"Common mistake, I make them too. It appears you are converting the weight into US Metric tons from 2,500 kilos. In that case, Albertosaurus would be about 3 tons. *Ah, the two are similar.*
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"I never attacked anyone. Any NICE visitor from the side will notice that."

I'm not sure what your real intentions were, *I am!* but that Albertosaurus post seemed like an attack on me, *sorry, I'll try to be more subtle in the future.* and a rather rude one at that. *how many times do I need to explain that one?* And from what the people from the side are saying, they don't see it any other way either. *Well, you didn't like it as it was directed at you, and most of the people from the side I think saw a wonderfull excuse to attack me. Of course, I MAY be wrong, but...*"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Of course, the 70-ton Abrams could just run any dinosaur it wanted down, save for the largest ones."

Well, yes, as the average dinosaur was only the size of a small pony. But you saw my point about the unfairness of using this ultratechnology against a dinosaur. It'd be thousands on one.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


"Why not? It dosen't need to be simple to be a tool. An Abrams tank is after all, simply an incredibly complex tool we invented to wreck incredible death and havoc on the poor bugger of our intentions. Virtually everything we use around is a tool!
*that's unfair though. A tank is not a person. It's PEOPLE against the dinosaur, not human technology. If you have humans against a dinosaur, the tools they use should be what these people themselves could make. Say thuosands of people are directly, or indirectly involved in making the sherman tank. That's not fair, because we're only talking one dinosaur.*
Welcome to the 21st century baby. *thank you I know*
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001

"Hmm, I doubt that. A relatively intelligent and agile and fast allosaur, or tyrannosaur, or gallimimus, *insert about 50 genera here*, or hypsilophodont could easily dodge the shells etc, and get away without too much problem. Since I'm going to do other things now, you wouldn't mind taking a quick peak at a WW2 website to find out stuff about Sherman tanks? If you don't find something, I'll try. It'll provide important data for the argument."

Note that the Sherman does not have to actually hit the dinosaur, an area effect anti-personnel "beehive" warhead or a run with the .50 caliber mounted on top would do quite finely, disabling the smaller dinosaurs. Hitting the larger ones would be like hitting an incredibly fast elephant. But unless the Sherman was using the hand-crank (in the early models), without the powered turret, they could just about hit them. I wonder, Shermans were pretty cannon fodder in WW2, but how would the deadily Tiger tank fare? For the Abrams though, 50 years ahead, hitting any dinosaur will not be a problem. The M1A2's fire control system is so advanced, in run trails, can put a round into a 3 foot tall target while it and the target itself is on the move, at over 43 mph over uneven terrain. Turret tranverse is 180 degrees in 2 seconds, which is much faster then any dinosaur can run at say, 30 meters from the tank. And worse, it's impossible to hurt the Abrams.

Of course, the 70-ton Abrams could just run any dinosaur it wanted down, save for the largest ones. Since when did this become Tanks vs. Dinosaurs?" *Never. It was rex fans vs allosaurus in my wcw short match, and then people turned it into people vs dinosaurs, an interesting but very strange argument.*
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 1, 2001


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