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Dino Talk Dec. 21-22, 2001: A Dinosaur Forum

OKAY. Time's up!!It's saturday! The Answer for the Mystery Dino thing is...GUESS WHO!!...It's T .rex!!! T .rex is the only theropod or dinos (that I know of) that has bigger post-orbital bosses or knobs(above and behind the eyes) than their lacrimal horn-lets(in front and above the eyes). I figured that since T .rex is so popular here I might have someone guess right. I have been reading almost everything available about T .rex and is a huge admirer of this super predator!! I didn't go see Jurassic Park 3 because I heard that T .rex loss to spinosaurus. This I find as funny as it is impossible want to contribute(however small the amount)to the dumb-ass movie's box-office. Why does Thomas Holtz defend the spinosaurus like that? I bet he's just defending JP3 because he wrote a guide book for them or something. Any sane person would know the outcome of this fight. T .rex could just huff'n puff and blow Spinosaurus with its lame-ass sail over.! Heck even the strangely big-headed and goofy looking giganotosaurus could kill it(YAY!!1 for giganotosaurus Fans!!:) Anyway have you people ever wonder what might happen to spinosaurus if when it's trying to hunt sauropods and its stupid kind of fragile sail get broken or torn?
Spinosaurus: OOOHHHH! My freakin' back sails!!! Bleeding!! Can't feel lower extremities. Loss too much blood!!(coughs)(screams in a most unsually high-pitched manner) EEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGG!!!(Falls to the ground,twitching and releasing his now uncontrollable bowels)(DIES)HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
-That's me laughing not the Spino he's dead.

from Stan, age 17, denver, CO, USA; December 22, 2001


Dinosaurs are the coolest animals that ever lived. Stegosaurs is my favorite dinosaur.
from dinoman200, age 17, illinois, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


Stegosaurs was the best dinosaur ever. Sorry people that think differently but if stego lived in the cretatous period it would kick t rexs butt
from Dinoman200, age 17, illinois, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


It's small tho..oh well.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


I haven't been here for a while and I've been reading some of the posts.

Some people are saying that america is the most popular place for dinosaurs, some people sound like popular as in people like it and others sound like they are saying a popular place for dinos to be found. The most common places for dinos to be found is, Africa, America, Argentina, Asia, and some places in Europe.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


I posted a JP3 blue raptor on Dino Pictures, but it didn't show up. Hey JC, did you get it?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001
Yes, I put it up last night - perhaps your browser cached that page. Go to your picture page and if you still can't see it, then press shift reload/refresh, or option reload/refresh (it's different for different browsers, and doesn't always work).


Thanks Da Masta. But how many drawings have you seen those two in?

....

Thought so.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"So? I don't see how this really supports 13,400 newtons as a high end estimate as you have said when the researchers themselves indicate that the figure was conservative."

Perhaps I should rephrase myself, then: The experiment conducted by Erickson et al. produced a maximum _T. rex_ bite force of 13,400 N. Yes, _T. rex_ may very well have bitten harder, but we've no empirical data for saying so. As such my saying 13,400 N was at the "upper end of the spectrum" applies to the experimental results, not the theoretical ones.

"Besides, after the study, the idea that Tyrannosaurus could bite much harder has already been anknowledged."

I'd be curious to know where this has been published.

"However, you lack of up-to-date knowledge into the matter is apparent here, other scientists have recently tried to find out the maximum bite force by using FEA computer siumlations that they developed on Allosaurus Fragilis, they determined the absolute bite force of Tyrannosaurus at as they put it "anywhere from 2 to 4 times that of the feeding bite". Go look it up."

Yes, I've got that paper here in front of me now. But where does your quote come from? It's not in the paper.
And for the record, I just want to point out that Rayfield et al.'s more recent publication says, "Also, _Allosaurus_ adductor-generated bites are in no way comparable to estimated _Alligator missippiensis_ and _Tyrannosaurus rex_ bite forces, both in the region of 13,000 N." (Not that this correlates at all with an "upper end" bite force, but I thought it was worth mentioning.)

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


I heard that Chindesaurus was the earliest dinosaurs.it said that it was ca.232mya. that's hard to believe. that s when the primitive r
reptiles(not dinos) started to evolve and really resemble the dinos.tell me if i'm wrong about that i'm a little rusty with this because of all this talk about mystery writer and stuff totaly off the subject.

from DanW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"That's technically true, Stegosaurus did exist alongside T.rex, being North American dinosaurs, the only catch was that Stegosaurus was already in the fossil form then."

Well, it says it actully fought Stegosaurus. Lemme give you the exact words:

"Tyrannosaurus rex lived through the Jurassic a Cretaceous periods. It often preyed on Stegosaurus, a thirty foot dinosaurs with long spiked tails. Stegosaurs were unquie in that their tails lacked the ridged tendons that stiffened the tails of most other dinosaur species."

There you have it! T. rex was alive during the Jurassic period! Hahahaha!
from Raptor Red, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"Oh... Ve - Lo - Si - Rap - Tor Mon - Go - Lee - En - Sis!"

Hey! I was pronoucing it right all this time! :)
from Raptor Red, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


Uh, Honkie, I think Ospreys can lift 1/2 their weight in fish...
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"I mean "pronouce" the word "velociraptor mongoliensis"?"

Oh... Ve - Lo - Si - Rap - Tor Mon - Go - Lee - En - Sis!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"Well then raptor, that book's writer knows nothing about dinosaurs then. Can someone please tell me how to spell mongoliensis??"

Uh... you just did it.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"It's estimated (or so I read) that it'll take another billion years for the sun to become a red giant*IT'S 5,000,000,000 YEARS.*. (Just a question, how come some type G stars are classified as dwarfs and others are giants?*I DUNNO! YOU'RE THE ASTRONOMY EXPERT HERE!*) Anyway, were lucky the sun isn't a blue supergiant like Rigel*I DO NOT THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVOLVED IF IT WAS THAT HOT.* , because more massive stars have shorter lives than smaller ones, and larger stars die in a supernova, not the Red Giant, white dwarf, black dwarf process the smaller stars go through.*YEAH, BIGGER STARS USE UP THEIR FUEL SUPPLY FASTER.*"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"How the heck do you pronounce "mongoliensis"? How many of you seen a stegosaurus and a T-rex fighting...that's like impossible since T-rex lived 68-65 mya, and stego only lived about in the late jurassic period...."

Mon - Go - Lee - En - Sis!
I've seen T - Rex and Stego fighting on trespasser! But then the dinos where genetically re-created, from different periods, so that makes more sense.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"What does the bottom of a horsetail look like?"

Do you mean a giant carboniferous one or a normal modern day one?

I'll try to say about the modern one then.
It's kinda cylindrical, green, with brown bands where the different segments meet. I think each segment is slightly concave. and I don't think it has those fleshy "leaves" at the bottom, either.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"How long do Allosaurus and T Rex live?"

POTENTIALLY quite a long time I should think, but remember, they lived in a very dangerous enviroment!

I'm not sure, did these dinosaurs lay lots of eggs and hope that some will survive, or invest a lot in one or two hatchlings? If they laid lots of eggs and left them, then most of the baby dinosaurs would not survive their first year. If they have only a few chicks, and really look after them, (I think that this IS what they did; most large animals like elephants have only a few young at a time, and breed around every one or two years.) then most of the chicks would probably survive to adulthood. And then there is the in between method, have a reasonably large ammount of hatchlings and kinda protect them for a few weeks, and then leave 'em. But we aren't sure yet. Then, considering their hazardous lifestyle, a T - Rex or Allosaur could live perhaps 15 - 20 years if it's lucky, and didn't have any accidents until then. Life then was very dangerous, and I doubt that any dinosaur, except the supersaurpods, lived for as long as it potentially could.

However, say if an allosaur or tyrannosaur was put in an artificial enviroment, with no hazards, where it's really safe, although it's hard to guess and we can never be sure, I'd say it could live 30 - 50 years.

Large animals like rhinos, hippos, elephants, giraffes, etc. live to quite a grand old age. (I used to know exactly why but I've forgotten now!!! :(

So I think it's reasonable to presume that allosaurs and tyrannosaurs lived to quite an old age too.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


"I don't think antartica is the place where dinosaurs are least popular because most of the people there are scientists and I think scientists like dinosaurs."

Most of the scientists there are icthyologists (did I spell that right?)
And some are ornithologists (penguins!)
And not to mention a few geologists!
But most of the time I would say that there are no paleontologists there. And certainly never on the east side, it's all ice, there is only rock to excavate from on the west side.
And I would say that most of those scientists wouldn't really be particularly interested in dinosaurs. Even the ornithologists, I think!

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 22, 2001


I don't know anybody in Te Puru school or Thames High School who likes dinosaurs as much as i do. Dinosaurs arn't popular in NZ. Maby that the only dinosaur bones found are the toe of a theropod, I think an Anklyosaur rib, A Tail bone or something of a Hypsilophodontid and a sauropod bone has got somthing to do with it :(
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"And believe or not, our so called "up to date" school book says that T. rex was around when Stegosaurus was. What a bunch of bull!"

That's technically true, Stegosaurus did exist alongside T.rex, being North American dinosaurs, the only catch was that Stegosaurus was already in the fossil form then.

"I thought Isla Sorna didn't have any fences......"

In the book, only the main compound was fenced up, the workers there decided to let the dinosaurs go into the wild after repeated failures to bring the dinosaurs up full term as a desperate measure, and later collect them back before they got too big, so Isla Sorna didn't have any large fences fencing it off. This seems to be the case in the movie TWL, where we didn't see any fences dividing the island. On the other hand, the JP3 fence seems to appear out of nowhere, I guess it's more of a plot device then anything, just like the rest of the movie, which is peppered with some very bad ones. It's really sad, how JP3 screws around with the animals (maybe the people really were supposed to be small monkeys, but they just didn't bother to make them like that), it's pretty amazing how that petrosaur could pick up an 13-year old, given eagles, which are much, much better lifters and flyers, can't carry more then a quarter of their own weight. I assume the JP3 fliers, which were cons! iderably less adept at powered flight somehow managed to lift a boy almost their weight. Where did their teeth come from again? The fragile-boned fliers seem pretty robust too.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


I mean "pronouce" the word "velociraptor mongoliensis"?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


You guys, if your looking for Honkie or anything...he goes to Dino Science Forum more then he goes to dino talk.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"Does anyone have any evidence for Spinosaurus being a fish-eater?
*IT'S DESIGN WAS WELL SUITED FOR FISHING. SPINO WAS A KIND OF SUPER - PREDATOR THOUGH.*
"the facts that were wrong are,spino is way too big and very robustly built,its jaws were too big and had too many
teeth.and in the jp3 logo the spino has two big claws on each hand,just like a baryonx,which spino did not have."

Then what do you think Spinosaurus must have fed on then? It's snout was simular to Baryonx, but I do agree that Spino was to big.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"No, dinosaurs aren't very pouplar here.
One person I know only knows the name of 2 dinosaurs: T-Rex and Triceratops."

Oh wow...I can name more then 100 or so...
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


Well then raptor, that book's writer knows nothing about dinosaurs then. Can someone please tell me how to spell mongoliensis??
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"(I thought Isla Sorna didn't have any fences...)"
I don't want to sound like a movie freak, but I think they said that they raised the dinosaurs on Isla Sorna, so they would need fences.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


It's estimated (or so I read) that it'll take another billion years for the sun to become a red giant. (Just a question, how come some type G stars are classified as dwarfs and others are giants?) Anyway, were lucky the sun isn't a blue supergiant like Rigel, because more massive stars have shorter lives than smaller ones, and larger stars die in a supernova, not the Red Giant, white dwarf, black dwarf process the smaller stars go through.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"How the heck do you pronounce "mongoliensis"? How many of you seen a stegosaurus and a T-rex fighting...that's like impossible since T-rex lived 68-65 mya, and stego only lived about in the late jurassic period...."

I have no idea how do pronouce mongoliensis, but at least I know how to spell it. :)

And believe or not, our so called "up to date" school book says that T. rex was around when Stegosaurus was. What a bunch of bull!
from Raptor Red, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


You are very welcome, Da Masta
from Raptor Red, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


How the heck do you pronounce "mongoliensis"? How many of you seen a stegosaurus and a T-rex fighting...that's like impossible since T-rex lived 68-65 mya, and stego only lived about in the late jurassic period....
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


If there was one thing ludicrous about the spinosaur's strength in JP///, is was when he effortlessly crashes through that big fence. Ouch!

(I thought Isla Sorna didn't have any fences......)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; December 21, 2001


"well,actually spino was not bigger than t-rex.in jp3 they portrayed
a fish eater to be a super-predator."

Does anyone have any evidence for Spinosaurus being a fish-eater?
*IT'S DESIGN WAS WELL SUITED FOR FISHING. SPINO WAS A KIND OF SUPER - PREDATOR THOUGH.*
"the facts that were wrong are,spino is way too big and very robustly built,its jaws were too big and had too many teeth.and in the jp3 logo the spino has two big claws on each hand,just like a baryonx,which spino did not have."

Spinosauroids do have more teeth than typical for theropods. I doubt the tooth count was too high in the JP3 Spinosaurus*ABSOLUTELY.*, but the teeth did look to be curved back too far*I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE TEETH. YES, SPINO HAD STRAIGHT TEETH, NOT VERY EFFECTIVE FOR BITING OTHER DINOSAURS.*. Baryonyx only has one large claw per hand. The hands of Spinosaurus are unknown, so we can't know what its claws were like. But considering that large thumb claws are a feature of its closest relatives (Baryonyx, Suchomimus) and also more distantly related tetanurans (Dryptosaurus, Sinosauropteryx, Utahraptor, Allosaurus) I think it is reasonable to suggest that Spinosaurus had big claws too.
*I AGREE TOTALLY.*
"spino in real life was a large fish eater 15-16feet tall and weighed
3-4 tons*YOU ARE VERY WRONG. SPINO WAS 4 - 7 TONNES, AND T - REX WAS UP TO 6.4 TONNES!*,t-rex was 16-20 feet tall and was 6-8 tons."

I seriously doubt that Spinosaurus would only weigh half as much as Tyrannosaurus. This idea seems to be based in Greg Paul's description of spinosaurids as relatives of Dilophosaurus, which isn't very likely.*SPINOSAURUS' ANCESTORS DON'T CHANGE IT'S WEIGHT MUCH! "OH, SPINOS' WEIGHT ESTIMATE IS 4 - 7 TONNES, BUT IT'S RELATED TO DILOPHOSAURS SO LET'S JUST SUBTRACT 2 TONNES," IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK LIKE THAT! HEY, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT DINOS THAN ME, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY GET WHAT YOU MEANT THERE. AND I THINK THAT DILOPHOSAURS MAY HAVE BEEN DISTANT ANCESTORS OF SPINOSAURS, YOU REMEMBER ME TALKING ABOUT IT A FEW WEEKS AGO?*"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


Thank you Raptor Red.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"To me dinosaurs are the coolest things in the world."

I know exactly what you mean! Hey, at least we gotta be glad for this site, where dino fans from all over the world can keep in touch!

If you wanna live chat with other dino fans, type "mesozoic mumblings" or "paleochat" in lycos.com and then chat about dinosaurs!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"We say, da masta, dinosaurs are not too popular here in America. Nobody in our school likes dinos as much as us.

So, that was Gianna's note, I got something to say. We met each other in school and became very nice friends.So that's why we are at my house.

Me, Gianna again. So anyway, what's the topic now, there's a bunch but what's the main one."

Well, you're lucky. The only place I can talk to other people passionate about dinosaurs is here. But hey, I'm not complaining. You're a great bunch. All the real freinds I've ever had have always left after a while, to another country, some other city in another faraway part of the country. Most of the people I know now are never serious. They never think about important stuff. And mine is meant to be a good school. Sigh.

The main topic I'd say is the one on the science forum, about triceratops stance. Feel free to join in. Actually, I'm starting to accept that triceratops may have had a kinda semi sprawling stance... You should go see for yourselves.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


What does the bottom of a horsetail look like?
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"Yes,America is the most popular place for dinosaurs,Antartica is the least popular."

[chuckles]

Hmm, very funny.

I think it would be better to say that America is COMPARATIVELY the most popular place for dinosaurs.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"DID YOU KNOW THAT THE T-REX IS WAS MOST LIKELEY TO BY A SCAVENGER BECAUSE IT COULD NOT RUN FAST"

Oh dear, you haven't let Horner get to your brain, have you? Not that I have anything against Horner...

I think Honkie Tong can explain to you why you're wrong better than I can. I'll leave you to it then, Honkie.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"No, dinosaurs aren't very pouplar here.
One person I know only knows the name of 2 dinosaurs: T-Rex and Triceratops."

Oh dear...

Well, different people take interest in different things.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"I don't neccessarily believe that the boggle asteriod theory that much either, but it could be possible, it probably does happen, but I believe that something that happened 65 million yrs ago is rare. You never know though, also, I believe its a good idea to look onto this theory as well, because if it is true, than maybe when day if it does happen to the human race, maybe we can prevent it*I REALLY DOUBT IT. WE WILL BE POWERLESS TO STOP THE ASTEROIDS, OUR TECHNOLOGY IS NOT THAT POWERFULL YET. WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST EVACUATE THE AREA OF THE GLOBE WHICH WILL BE HIT, AND RESCUE AS MUCH STUFF AS POSSIBLE. IT WOULD BE A REAL CRISIS.*. Unlike dinosaurs, we have a chance to change our fate*YEAH, BUT WILL WE? WE CAN STOP GLOBAL WARMING, AND POLLUTION, BUT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING IT? RICH COMPANIES OWN TOO MUCH, I SAY.*, so it doesn't seem so bad*OH, IT WOULD BE A VERY SERIOUS CATASTROPHE FOR MANY COUNTRIES.*. Also the theory is still being tested in compute! r models*CHAOS THEORY! ALL ASTEROID STRIKES WILL BE DIFFERENT, MINOR DIFFERENCES CAN CHANGE A LOT. HOW WILL WE KNOW THE EXACT POSITION OF ALL THE PLANETS, ASTEROIDS, AND THE SUN WHEN AND IF IT HAPPENS? THE ACTUAL EVENT (IF IT HAPPENS) CAN NEVER BE EXACTLY PREDICTED ON COMPUTER SIMULATIONS.*, nothing new has come as of yet, and I don't think 400,000 yrs is a very long time either, but maybe the meteors that come into contact with Earth every 400,000 yrs aren't as large as the one that hit the cretaceous time. This may seem alittle extreme, but if the sun where to wobble, we'd be pretty screwed right now, because we could be throw off course, also the fact that the sun itself is like a big magnet...Well, we a! re screwed anyways, because the sun is going to get redder and also bigger*YEAH, IN ABOUT 5000 MILLION YEARS TIME! I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT!*. Long after where did, maybe millions more years, our planet which we call Earth will be sucked in by our sun, because it will be ! too large*YEAH, A "RED GIANT"*. Least thats what I was told by my proffesor*YOUR PROFFESOR IS VERY RIGHT.*, and its quite interesting. You have to also take into consideration, that if there is a wobble within the planets that i mentioned, it could happen, probably just not to the same affect as 65 million yrs ago. If that was to occur every 400,000 yrs, I don't even know if life could proccess the way it has been, so the theory probably says it does happen, but not a catastrophic as during the cretaceous*IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON THE DEGREE OF THE WOBBLE AND HOW ANY ASTEROIDS ARE IN THE AREA TO BE AFFECTED BY IT*. Besides, they are still doing model test to see if something like that even happened during the cretaceous period*CHAOS THEORY SAYS YOU CAN'T PREDICT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN EXACTLY WHEN IT DOES.*. So if I find out anymore things about this lil theory, I'll tell you people.*THANKS, I'LL BE WAITING!*"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


How long do Allosaurus and T Rex live?
from abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


Oh dear, it's 8:15 now, and lots of good TV programs coming up. I don't think I'll be able to finish answering everyone today, I'll have to do all the rest tommorow.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


I don't think antartica is the place where dinosaurs are least popular because most of the people there are scientists and I think scientists like dinosaurs.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"It seems that scientist have discovered a new dinosaur that was excavated in China, it is yet to be named, but it is dinosaur that has feathers on it. This new dinosaur clearly shows primitive feathers, the tail and head clearly shows feathers, and tufts of down like feathers appear on other parts of its body. This dinosaur which was found in Laoning Province, clearly shows how the feathers where attached to the body. Previously sceintists who reject the dinosaur/bird link say that found associated with dinosaurs, where mixed up together when the bird and the dinosaur died.
This fossil however makes it indisputable that a body covering similar to feathers was present in non-avian dinosaurs.
I think this is really great news, so to all the people who still don't believe the link between dinosaur and bird...What do you have to say now?"

I've always beleived that birds are direct ancestors of dinosaurs, so I don't have to say anything! So, this is the new "hairiest" non - avain dinosaur!

But although I beleive that birds are relatives of dinosaurs, this is not really because of feathers. Any group of animals could evolve feathers. Feathers could have evolved separately in several different animal groups, of which only one is related to birds (I'm not saying that this IS the case, though!) And even if no feathery dinosaurs had ever been found, it is obvious from other characteristics that birds are related to dinosaurs. The wrists, the hips, the vertebrae, etc.

But the discovery is interesting. Where can you get the latest dino news I wonder? Some of you seem to be very up to date on what's going on. Because there are loads of dino sites out there, but I'm very selective, and I like the good sites. A lot of sites are not very good, or too wrong on their facts. I want real good professional sites. Hey, where did you find out about the feathery dino, DinoSol?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


Spinosaurus was a big dinosaur, but certainly considerably less robust and gracile then your Tyrannosaurid, being typical of a Spinosaurid. I don't think Spinosaurus was any kind of weak, but I admit that he was grossly overplayed in Jurassic Park 3. I seriously doubt he could survive that Tyrannosaurus bite (not to mention eluding the bite, the Spinosaur was yanked around the ground by the neck for a long time, that strain would have easily dislocated the neck and killed him, if the bite haven't done already.). It rather obvious Tyrannosaurus would have been the superior killer, I admit that.
from Spinosaurus, age 17, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


I know not one sixth grader in all of Davis Middle School who likes dinosaurs as much as I do.

Hehehe they all think they are lizards! LOL!

-Raptor Red
Feathered dinosaurs rule all!

from Raptor Red, age 11, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


"are Vollosirapters real?"

Sure, velociraptors are very real. Or where. Until they died out.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; December 21, 2001


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