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Dino Talk Nov. 22-28, 2001: A Dinosaur Forum

I don't know if you are just doing this to vent your anger, but I think the recent WCW posts you have posted on here, apparently to support your case that Allosaurus was not a whimp, is hurting, rather then supporting your case. (I didn't think Allosaurus was weak, but after reading WCW, I started to have my doubts)

You see, the thing is, when you resort to such fantasy stories, you are hurting your case and image. People here want facts, not fantasy, which you are unfortunately putting out, and they know that. By posting such stories, instead of showing to others that Allosaurus was not-so-weak by your stories, you are actually creating the impression that you are somebody who is totally outtalked, outshot, outgunned and losing so badly that you decided to resort to such immature tatics to prove your point. I'm afraid people won't buy that.

When the rex fans posted their "papercut" post. They acted mature, they knew what they were talking about and presented their case well, writing off with a scarstic remark about Allosaurus being killed by a papercut as some witty sendoff. We understand these kinds of posts and know that the rex fans were just being scarstic in their papercut comment. But when we see WCW, it has no facts or no arguments in it at all, just a long rambling of a fantasy setup to support your case with ridiculus extremes and discusting and truly unwitty textual jabs at your opponents. Instead of making people agree with you, you are giving them the impression that you have lost the debate, that you are unable to deal with your failure that you resort to such tatics. The very reason Horner's scavenger theory lost massive support (I used to be a Horner-sider, but now I certainly think T.Rex could hunt) was that, after he was presented with overwhelming evidence for predatory behaviour in Tyrannosaurus, he reacted instead of admitting that he had no counterpoints, started drawing up wild remarks (the Rex mistook the sleeping hardosaur for a dead one) and worse, started passing very biased and obviously immature remarks about T.Rex. "He was an ugly scavenger" blah blah blah, things that were said more for the sake of impact then truth. It didn't help, conversely, it backfired and now he's a lone ranger in the pure-scavenger theory (which is a great decrease from the massive support he once had), and his allies seem to be kids who think everything in Jurassic Park is real and just want to hate T.Rex for being so popular.

I don't think you are a bad person, and it does look like you are being swarmed. But that's not entirely an excuse for shooting yourself in the foot with such immature stories. Looking back in the past messages, I have seen people like Honkie Tong fend off and even win over debates despite overwhelming odds. He was literally being swarmed by pro-Allosaurus people like Sean and gang. But he managed to shoot down every one (and I do mean every one) of their arguments comprehensively. So much so the Sean and gang found no way to win, they fell into the very trap you are in danger of falling into, they stopped the science and started the childish insults, calling Honkie Tong Often Wrong and a bunch of other really utterly rephensive remarks, the worst of which was the 9-11 terrorist post. That didn't help them one bit, they discredited themselves and Allosaurus at the same time. People here just don't respect this kind of tatics. If you look, even non-rex fans are swarming you now because of the WCW posts. If anything, you are losing respect at a goodly rate and hurting your case real bad at the same time. All these kinds of lame and immature stories belong in Dinofiction (though I admit there are many fantastic stories there), not here, being used as some kind of preverse and immature way to promote you case or get back at people. I don't mean any harm or bad intention, but even I was discusted by the WCW stories, who seemed to me as a rather weak way to get back at people. It seems to me, the reasons you are having trouble when you are being swarmed is because you case is shaky and rather weak, compaired to the case on the side of the rex fans. I'm saying this from an unbaised point of view, that generally I find that Master's arguments are less chorent and generally weaker then those put up by Honkie or Leonard. In any case, this is not a reason to weave fantasy stories to make yourself feel better, because Allosaurus is not just your dinosaur, it's the people's dinosaur. And by doing such a thing, you are discrediting Allosaurus fans and Allosaurus alike. I would not be surprised if some Allosaurus fans spoke up against you.

So no matter how swarmed you are, don't post all these WCW posts, just as a gentle reminder. They are not helping. Employing such trash in such a way is not the mark of a professional.
from Jane M., age ?, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 28, 2001


'Given the fact that Albertosaurus was 85 percent T.rex size. In fact, the largest Albertosaurus we know is the same size as some of the adult rexes we have."

I didn't know about that. Which albertosaur specimen is it? How big?
from Brad, age 14, Fenelon Falls, ON, Canada; November 28, 2001


""The herding animal I have described is the striking crested duckbill Parasauralophus. The distinctive crest of this dinosaur may have been used in producing low frequency warning calls in a herd. The carnivore is Albertosaurus, a smaller relation of Tyrannosaurus rex. Palaeontologist Dale Russell has suggested it specialized in hunting the duckbilled dinosaurs, being faster than its relatives."

I agree with Dale Russel. Honkie Tong, do you still want to argue against me, and Dale? Brad's views may have changed, I don't know, but get your hands on a good dinosaur book Honkie. It'll back me up!"

Actually, your info is kinda old. Dale Russell (you could at least do him a favour by spelling his name right), after a study of Tyrannosaurids with Tyrannosaurid superexpert Tom Holtz, has reversed his view on Albertosaurus being better adapted for speed. Well, not exactly reversed, but more like he put Tyrannosaurus in the same class of extra-fast large Tyrannosaurids. Also note that he didn't state explictly that Albertosaurus was faster then Tyrannosaurus, just that it was expected to be faster then most of it's relations. Want to know why? That's because Albertosaurus was a great deal more derived then them too. Tyrannosaurids were prefecting the speed trick in the larger species and what would you know, kinda reached an apex in Tyrannosaurus, the most derived Tyrannosaurid ever to walk the earth. Now before I get written off as a hardcore rex fan (Masters seems to do this to everybody he cannot answer), I am actually a nice little Triceratops fan, but though that this would be a nice time to step in. Anyway, Albertosaurus was not as strong as T.rex. There's a great strenght disparity between the two species. Could Albertosaurus be faster? Maybe, but it certainly lacks the hoo-ha you are making up. Tyrannosaurus would still be the fastest animal in his size class (duhzz...whoever said he was the fastest in the world?)

Besides, I don't like the way you sprang out and say "AH HA! GOT YA NOW" when you stumbled on this nice little scrap of info that appeared for a moment to support your view (sadly, it now does not after I've told the whole story). What you appear to be doing is trying to put Honkie Tong down in a really public manner, as if by making him look bad, which you have failed to do, would make you look better.

Now let me remind you, when you first came in, who said that Tyrannosaurus rex was a carnosaur? Who thought that Tyrannosaurus rex had small eyes? It was you. Despite your glaring mistakes, Leonard, Honkie, Saurion alike all told you nicely. They didn't jump out and say "YOU ARE WRONG! I HAVE THE PROOF! HAHAHAHAH! in such a manner. A favour you seemed to have forgetton. How easy was it for them to crush you like a bug back then? Honkie was one of those who didn't, and I don't think you should either. And nice way of declaring people points as bull---- too. Firstly you haven't debunked them, if anything, it looks to me the case against you have grown. I don't want to make an emeny of you, but I just want to tell you nobody is after your blood. You are just acting in such a stupid manner that everybody is not happy with you. Frankly, I'm not impressed with your use of vulgar words and curses like s--- and such for this is a kid's page, and that you are giving America a bad name.

I would be blind to side with you. Look at this, you are no hero fighting for Allosaurus or non-whimpy dinosaurs. You are just a person who is dissing everybody off by making a big fuss and screaming "EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME! OBEY ME! NOW!!!" please, do grow up and learn to be more like Jane or Honkie.

Triceratops rules.
from T. Horrus, age ?, ?, Utah, America; November 28, 2001


At first I though Da Master would be our big hope in getting back at the rex fans. But now, that hope's gone and replaced with irritation at his massive flooding of the pages and annoying, attention seeking, poorly thought-out posts. When will somebody of even some quality come along at root for Allosaurus?
from Allobozac, age 15, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Da Masta, please stop your stories here, nobody really wants to read them. If you may, please post them to dinofiction. Because it's really an eyesore here.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I think Master shouldn't be so swarmed. When I posted that Dilophosaurus rules(and he does) I thought I'd get swarmed just cause I didn't like Trex as much. Whem Master post something everyone notices.Whats up with that.

By the way I'm Diloph.

DILOPHOSAURUS AND STEGOSAURUS AND MAYBE TREX RULE
byby

from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Honkie Tong, Ready to argue very talentedly and scientifically, that T - Rex was the biggest, smartest, strongest, fastest and most advanced dinosaur ever, (yes I know most of it's b*llsh*t!)"

Being a Velociraptor fan, I really hate to say this given the latest T.rex vs. Velociraptor battle, but what Honkie Tong says makes a lot more sense then Master.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Anyways, what do nomena nuda have to do with dinosaurs? Any organism could be a nomen nudum.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I don't know if you are just doing this to vent your anger, but I think the recent WCW posts you have posted on here, apparently to support your case that Allosaurus was not a whimp, is hurting, rather then supporting your case. (I didn't think Allosaurus was weak, but after reading WCW, I started to have my doubts)

You see, the thing is, when you resort to such fantasy stories, you are hurting your case and image. People here want facts, not fantasy, which you are unfortunately putting out, and they know that. By posting such stories, instead of showing to others that Allosaurus was not-so-weak by your stories, you are actually creating the impression that you are somebody who is totally outtalked, outshot, outgunned and losing so badly that you decided to resort to such immature tatics to prove your point. I'm afraid people won't buy that.

When the rex fans posted their "papercut" post. They acted mature, they knew what they were talking about and presented their case well, writing off with a scarstic remark about Allosaurus being killed by a papercut as some witty sendoff. We understand these kinds of posts and know that the rex fans were just being scarstic in their papercut comment. But when we see WCW, it has no facts or no arguments in it at all, just a long rambling of a fantasy setup to support your case with ridiculus extremes and discusting and truly unwitty textual jabs at your opponents. Instead of making people agree with you, you are giving them the impression that you have lost the debate, that you are unable to deal with your failure that you resort to such tatics. The very reason Horner's scavenger theory lost massive support (I used to be a Horner-sider, but now I certainly think T.Rex could hunt) was that, after he was presented with overwhelming evidence for predatory behaviour in Tyrannosaurus, he reacted instead of admitting that he had no counterpoints, started drawing up wild remarks (the Rex mistook the sleeping hardosaur for a dead one) and worse, started passing very biased and obviously immature remarks about T.Rex. "He was an ugly scavenger" blah blah blah, things that were said more for the sake of impact then truth. It didn't help, conversely, it backfired and now he's a lone ranger in the pure-scavenger theory (which is a great decrease from the massive support he once had), and his allies seem to be kids who think everything in Jurassic Park is real and just want to hate T.Rex for being so popular.

I don't think you are a bad person, and it does look like you are being swarmed. But that's not entirely an excuse for shooting yourself in the foot with such immature stories. Looking back in the past messages, I have seen people like Honkie Tong fend off and even win over debates despite overwhelming odds. He was literally being swarmed by pro-Allosaurus people like Sean and gang. But he managed to shoot down every one (and I do mean every one) of their arguments comprehensively. So much so the Sean and gang found no way to win, they fell into the very trap you are in danger of falling into, they stopped the science and started the childish insults, calling Honkie Tong Often Wrong and a bunch of other really utterly rephensive remarks, the worst of which was the 9-11 terrorist post. That didn't help them one bit, they discredited themselves and Allosaurus at the same time. People here just don't respect this kind of tatics. If you look, even non-rex fans are swarming you now because of the WCW posts. If anything, you are losing respect at a goodly rate and hurting your case real bad at the same time. All these kinds of lame and immature stories belong in Dinofiction (though I admit there are many fantastic stories there), not here, being used as some kind of preverse and immature way to promote you case or get back at people. I don't mean any harm or bad intention, but even I was discusted by the WCW stories, who seemed to me as a rather weak way to get back at people. It seems to me, the reasons you are having trouble when you are being swarmed is because you case is shaky and rather weak, compaired to the case on the side of the rex fans. I'm saying this from an unbaised point of view, that generally I find that Master's arguments are less chorent and generally weaker then those put up by Honkie or Leonard. In any case, this is not a reason to weave fantasy stories to make yourself feel better, because Allosaurus is not just your dinosaur, it's the people's dinosaur. And by doing such a thing, you are discrediting Allosaurus fans and Allosaurus alike. I would not be surprised if some Allosaurus fans spoke up against you.

So no matter how swarmed you are, don't post all these WCW posts, just as a gentle reminder. They are not helping. Employing such trash in such a way is not the mark of a professional.
from Jane Masters, age ?, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 28, 2001


I dunno why people make such a big fuss about Albertosaurus speed (or was it just da no Masta?) Anyway, as an outsider, I don't see what bearing this has on making Tyrannosaurus any less deadily or help Masta's case in any way. Tyrannosaurus is still the fastest in its size class. Albertosaurus was only faster because it was smaller, which is consistent with what scientists say. A young Tyrannosaurus the size of Albertosaurus would run just as fast. According to scientists, the Tyrannosaurids were the fastest when they were Tinker-sized. Besides, Tyrannosaurids are still much faster then any other dinosaur design of similar size in the large species, which seems to me consistent with what the Rex fans are saying. They didn't argue that Tyrannosaurus was absolutely the best in everything among the Tyrannosaurids, though he was certainly the most advanced. They just argued that Tyrannosaurus was superior to any other dinosaur predator family that ever lived. Seesh, it seems to me Master's big and loud post about Albertosaurus is pretty off the point, after all, the Rex fans are promoting the Tyrannosaurids, using Tyrannosaurus as their leading example of the excellence of this family (that's why they don't hesitate to mention Albertosaurus as it was on their side too). It's like somebody is arguing that the raptors (as in dinosaurs) are the best and you start saying Velociraptors are better then the raptors! Stupid. Can you think harder and make sure you're clearer before you post another message?

Velociraptor rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Veloci Mon., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Besides Masters, you're even less popular then you think. With all your dirty dinosaur porn star jokes and use of bad words...is it any wonder nobody likes you? But as a note of caution, you'll be very shocked to find that threatening or intimidating people here with "you'll wish you never came here" or "it's all bull****" don't usually work. If anything, you are explosing yourself as a gangster, which nobody respects.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Besides Masters, you're even less popular then you think. With all your dirty dinosaur porn star jokes and use of bad words...is it any wonder nobody likes you? But as a note of caution, you'll be very shocked to find that threatening or intimidating people here with "you'll wish you never came here" or "it's all bull****" don't usually work. If anything, you are explosing yourself as a gangster, which nobody respects.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Huh? I find this savage attack/challange to me unwarranted and unprovoked. Since when did I get drawn into this melee."

Yeah, I've noticed Honkie always gets challenged by the opposition whenever there's a rex war, no matter if he's keeping out or not. Perhaps it's because he's generally considered as the main person or the authority over Tyrannosaurids (not just Tyrannosaurus) here, so he's commonly singled out for vicious bombardment. Well, when you're good, the less talented will sometimes get envious. It seems that Masters is another want of them.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Masters, you are not only an annoyance to the rex fans you know. Even other dino fans are annoyed with you. Why? Though the rex fans may be annoying, at least they know what they are talking about. For you, it's just rubbish, after rubbish, after rubbish. And the way you talk as if with your rubbish you're an autority over matters mankes it all the more annoying. Why do you think even Apatosaur fans would wack you?

It's all your fault.
from Janice G., age 18, Dallas, Texas, USA; November 28, 2001


Mi too, I don't really care about his stories, they're pretty lame. After all, you can't debate with people using fiction, that's not science, that's propangada. These stories are not really helping people see our Allosaurus in a better light. Even if you write stories about 1 Allosaurus killing 1,000 T.Rexes, I doubt it' help. After all, these stories are as real as... Jurassic Park 3.
from Allosaurus fan, age 15, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


ONCE AGAIN DILO RULES

trex. hm. dunno about rex.

BUT I KNOW ABOUT DILO!!!

STEDOSAYRUS ROOLS TO. I MEAN STEGOSAURUS. IT RULES. MORE. THAN. REX.

I THINK!!!
now please Rex fans I'm just a poor little Dilophosaurus fan don't swarm me.
byby

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


DILOPHOSAURUS RULES

T rex is ok but not as good as Dilo! dILO IS THE BEST it should be king insteada trex and maybe trex can be queen or somethin.AND stegosaurus should be like the prince cause it RULES to.And Triceratopsy the princess. If its a girl of course. JP is a lie they made Dilo look bad. King Dilo would really kill that fat guy. And Queen Trex would massacre that fat guy but not as royal as dilo! Dilophosaurus lives on!! I WISH IT LIVED IN THE CREATACEIS. because it would fight trex and probly win. Trex can win ifit got Dilo on a sneak attack.
STEGOSAURS IS BETTER THAN GIGONTOSAURS.
gigontosaurs is stupid

byby
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I don't really care about Master's stories.

I want the name da masta back because I like it better than master
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I have a homework problem! What's the estimated diameter of Ceres ?
No,just kidding, you probably don't know that, Matser. But it's been bugging me. JC, could you help?

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001
Ceres is about 578 miles (930 kilometers) in diameter. JC


Da Masta, please stop your stories here, nobody really wants to read them. If you may, please post them to dinofiction. Because it's really an eyesore here.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I don't wanna take sides, but I though Honkie's return message to Master's challange was rather brilliant.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Da Masta, I don't think Albertosaurus limbs were just as strong as Tyrannosaurus. It's rather obvious they are weaker.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Master, it appears you have no will of your own, bending and scavenging from whatever experts say that suits your view. Heck, I would not be surprised if you took advice from some of the worst paleontologists ever on the subject as long as it suits your view. Jeeze, how pathetic can that be? I've never seen somebody go "that's what an expert said" now bow to me! For your information, there are lots of other experts which think otherwise.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Honkie's off topic post:

Cool, why the sudden talk about the Abrams?

Don't worry guys, no matter what happens, whenever there's some trouble involving Tyrannosaurus rex or co. I'll be there with my General Dynamics M1A2 Heavy Armor Abrams Main Battle Tank! It's a good think the Singapore Armed Forces 102th Armoured Division decided to give me this extremely cool M1A2 MBT, which I have taken to calling "Wardog". I do have a good supply of APFSDS, HEAT and STAFF ammo to use on any offending dinosaur, and to good effect. For softer targets, let's either use the M-2 Browning commander's main machine gun or the 7.62mm coaxial or loader's machine gun. It's a really cool piece of equipment, but operating this tank with one crew is quite tedious so I am enlisting some guys to act as gunner, loader and driver...any takers? :)

Heh...heh...heh

"Remember my theory about velociraptors not living in packs? Read Billy MacDraw's Old Blood, chapter 3. It can back me up. And I am surprised at Billy's dislike of Horner. I have never met anyone who disliked Horner so much..."

Erm, the Horner in Old Blood isn't Jack Horner, it's another Horner who happens to be also a paleontologist...coincidence? There two people are quite different indeed, they only share the same name. Hey cool, I kinda like worked on Old Blood (though it's currently on hold till the completion of Counterstrike) with Bill and it's nice to see some people took the time to read it. The entire project actually spans over 100 pages so far, and in novel book size pages, Old Blood would take up almost 300 pages! We were kinda worried that due to it's mature theme and advanced language, the kids here might not understand. Nice to see some people are reading it.

Say, was it plotoallos? Another coincidence, but there is also a massively overbuilt and altered Allosaurus in DinoWarz 3! And the member of the Tyrannosaurus siblings slated to engage them is none other then the Suzie, the petite 37-foot Tyrannosaur of the group. Whoops, did I just give a plot element away?

Given the current surge in posts about the M1A2 tank, I have informed Bill and see if we can somehow add this in. :) Wicked...
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Sure I have, and they sure look whimpy to me.
from Emar for the socially maladjusted, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


At first I found that Da Master was a cool guy, helping us much malinged Allosaurus fans...but now he's starting to be a real baby with all his stories.
from Shaun Some, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Seesh Kebab...how detailed do you have to be?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Honkie Tong, Ready to argue very talentedly and scientifically, that T - Rex was the biggest, smartest, strongest, fastest and most advanced dinosaur ever, (yes I know most of it's b*llsh*t!) immediately posted a post, saying that as T - Rex was so strong it could still run faster. Oh, wow, heavily muscular yet gracile limbs, etc. But albertosaurus' where JUST AS STRONG AS T - REXE's, AND it was LIGHTER! So I predict it could run AT LEAST 15mp/h faster than T - Rex. And I've found some info, by Brad, to back me up!"

*Rolls eyes*

Si ginna, I suppose you are refering to the post I posted in return to your Albertosaurus speed estimate post:

Huh? I find this savage attack/challange to me unwarranted and unprovoked. Since when did I get drawn into this melee. No matter, I shall give clarity of thought to the fog-of-war generated by Master's blind rage. (Where on earth did I come up with that rethoric?)

Since when did I ever say that Tyrannosaurus would have been faster then Albertosaurus? In that case, you must have misread (not really anything new, you appear to type faster then you read) my post about Tyrannosaurus speed vs. Albertosaurus speed.

My point was not to say that Tyrannosaurus was faster then Albertosaurus, but simply to state that Albertosaurus was in no way more cursorial then Tyrannosaurus. The two animals are pratically the same in the locomotion morphlogy department, given the fact that they were both after all, virtually sibling genera. So what you have utterly failed to comprehend is that I was simply saying that Albertosaurus was in no way more gracile or cursorial then Tyrannosaurus, pound for pound. A 10 meter Tyrannosaurus would run exactly like an 10 meter Albertosaurus and vice versa. It's really like saying which is faster, an ostrich or emu of the same size. What I was pointing out was that Albertosaurus didn't have any cursorial advantage in terms of power-to-weight ratio then Tyrannosaurus. And yes, a 15mph advantage is excessive in Albertosaurus case. For the simple fact that the relationship is not lighter animals will go faster for the same limb design. Meaning an animal that is a third smaller then another animal would go a third faster. It's not quite as simple as that, as I would like to point out. For limb length and limb power also plays an important part. Assuming Tyrannosaurus had the same power-to-weight ratio as Albertosaurus given their small size difference, the same step frequency for Tyrannosaurus would bring him further then Albertosaurus in the same period of time due to his longer legs. Albertosaurus can hope to keep up by increasing his stride frequency, but once again, a significant increase in stride frequency to match up to the speed of a longer limb would mean a large decrease in size, something which Albertosaurus did not have. Given the fact that Albertosaurus was 85 percent T.rex size. In fact, the largest Albertosaurus we know is the same size as some of the adult rexes we have. In that case, a siginificant speed advantage is unlikely. Speed only increases significantly when there's a large size disparity. In this case, it's more of a case of which is faster, ostrich or emu, rather then which is faster, lion or cheetah. You want to see the fastest Tyrannosaurs, look at Alectrosaurus, what I have considered the "cheetah" Tyrannosaurids. Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurus strike me more of "tiger/lion" Tyrannosaurids. Which is a point you have sadly forced me to state again, much greater detail then necessary to the ordinary human who paid attention.

"(yes I know most of it's b*llsh*t!)"

Cool...and your point is? You like using bad words to add impact?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Hmm, Brad, do you think that the chinese (dilophosaur?) could have hunted lufengosaurus? In groups?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Remember my theory about velociraptors not living in packs? Read Billy MacDraw's Old Blood, chapter 3. It can back me up. And I am surprised at Billy's dislike of Horner. I have never met anyone who disliked Horner so much...
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Ahem? Master, we DID NOT send away T-Master, he said he went to camp(?). I am not one of those rex fans who go outta their way to insult other dinosaurs(And neither is Tim M.). I think it's stupid that Rex fans are being so hard-to-deal with right now, calling Allosaurus, my 3rd fave dinosaur "Allowhimpy"
and some people spelled wimp wrong, it's not whimp.....

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Ceratosauria" Since when has Dilophosaurus been a Ceratosaurid? I believe it belongs to the Coelophysidae. Consult something if you like.
Anyway, here's some more information on Dilophosaurus.
There are three typespecies: D.Wetherii, D.breedorom, and D.Sinensis.
D.Wetherri was named in 1954 by Welles and was originally Megalosaurus. D.Breedorum was named in 1999 I think.D.sinensis was described in 1993. Dilophosaurus in general wsa 6 to 7 meters long, and weighed 300 to 400 kg.It lived in the Sinemurian and the Pliensbachian during the early Cretaceous. (Lias Epoch).

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Emar, have you ever seen an Allosaurus?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Jane u are cool and smart. It's a refreshing change of intelligence after Da Master's posts.
from ANOTHER aPATOSAUR FAN., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001"

A thought just occurred to me. Did you even understand what she was talking about? Sorry to be mean but I am of a sensitive disposition.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"U DUMB PEOPLE are thinking too big. It dun take a T.rex to polish off an Allosaurus. That's absolute overkill. Even Albertosaurus would finish off the stupid Allosaurus pretty easy. Sorry, but Tyrannosaurs reign supreme.
from wooho, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001"

People like that get tolerated, because they have a swarm of hardcore Rex fans to back them up. I am neutral, but I still like to argue here, so I am the "punch bag" here. Is it really so brutal and primitive and sad here, that you need to be a hardcore dino fan here to be safe from abuse? I don't beleive it. People who can't find ways of getting points across, without attacking someone, are antisocial unintellectual idiots in my opinion. Sorry to have to resort to this but I am a bit paranoid... It seems like some people here are unhappy with my style of posting...
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Yup,just another myth,the africans seem to claim a congo swamp dinosaur or maybe just a rhino.The congo people say that the creature resembles a rhino."

It is a rhino. I say a program where the camera crew showed a rhino picture in a feild guide to some locals, and they got all excited and said that it was that "Mkele Mbembe" or whatever it's called. I forgot.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Jane u are cool and smart (yes). It's a refreshing change of intelligence after Da Master's posts(wot?).
from ANOTHER aPATOSAUR FAN., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001"

What the? I've been swarmed by:
1)Angry Rex Fans
2)Angry Spino fans
3)A stego fan

But a one strange little apatosaur fan? Just starting on me like that? Jesus... What's happening here?
1)You can choose to make an enemy in me (please don't I didn't come here for this) and then wish you never came here, or
2)Cut the **** and talk about dinosaurs. Maybe you'll even become a regular and we'll be freinds.

It's your choice.

Anyone else with HMWRK problems? I'm like Tim M, I like to research and help people with dinosaur essays, etc.

And where is Tim M?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I remember a post where I said that Albertosaurus had legs at least as strong as those of T Rex, but it was lighter in weight so it could run faster.

Honkie Tong, Ready to argue very talentedly and scientifically, that T - Rex was the biggest, smartest, strongest, fastest and most advanced dinosaur ever, (yes I know most of it's b*llsh*t!) immediately posted a post, saying that as T - Rex was so strong it could still run faster. Oh, wow, heavily muscular yet gracile limbs, etc. But albertosaurus' where JUST AS STRONG AS T - REXE's, AND it was LIGHTER! So I predict it could run AT LEAST 15mp/h faster than T - Rex. And I've found some info, by Brad, to back me up!

"The herding animal I have described is the striking crested duckbill Parasauralophus. The distinctive crest of this dinosaur may have been used in producing low frequency warning calls in a herd. The carnivore is Albertosaurus, a smaller relation of Tyrannosaurus rex. Palaeontologist Dale Russell has suggested it specialized in hunting the duckbilled dinosaurs, being faster than its relatives."

I agree with Dale Russel. Honkie Tong, do you still want to argue against me, and Dale? Brad's views may have changed, I don't know, but get your hands on a good dinosaur book Honkie. It'll back me up!
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


If anyone tries to swarm me, with no good reason, not backed up by facts, I will not bother to read their messages.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


These little matches are called T - REX VERSUS THE WORLD and are designed to be quick, on the spot entertainment!

Ultrasuchus: Spinosaurid
14m long
4m tall
Yellow and Brown Stripes with dark mottling, tall spines on it's back, venomous, the toxin it secretes in glands in it's mouth causes severe muscle cramps, as much as two minutes after the bite. Otherwise, Similar to suchomimus. But it is as much quadrupedal as bipedal, It's forelimbs are as long as it's hindlimbs. And it has a 52cm claw as it's main weapon.

Tyrannosaurus vs Ultrasuchus, neutral Szechuanosaur is the ref.

Master: Start the match then.

Tyrannosaur decides on hit and run tactics, but the two beasts circle one another warily.

Crowd: Get the **** on with the gory parts!

Master: Shut up and watch!

The ultrasuchus charges the tyrannosaur, which turns tail and runs! The ultrasuchus runs after the tyrannosaur, which suddenly stops, and the ultrasuchus draws parallell to it, not understanding what has happened! The tyrannosaur, being the faster dinosaur, grabs ultrasuchus' neck! It's teeth, designed for crushing, can't peirce ultrasuchus' heavily armoured, thick skinned neck! But the tyrannosaur clamps it's jaws down, crushing the ultrasuchus' cervical vertebrae, not piercing the skin! The jaws clamp down, crushing it's neck, through the skin! Then it lets go, and even though the ultrasuchus looks completely OK and not hurt at all from the outside, it's neck and head are oddly limp, and it collapses to the ground, head swinging on the limp, spineless, useless neck!

Rex Fans: YAY!
Ultrasuchus Fans: BOO!
Ref: Rex won that.

Master: The next match will have the odds very much against the Rex! To make it interesting! And Also, Lee or Osprey or whoever, Rex fans do not have easy access to Abram tanks. In fact they have no access to heavy weaponry of any sort. Anyway;

Hope you enjoyed that!
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


STOP PROMOTING ALLOSAURUS!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SANTION OF US ALLOSAURUS FANS!! WE WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S COMPETENT! What do you other Allosaurus fans say?
from Angry Allosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Masters, please stop rooting for Allosaurus. You're not an Allosaurus fan so please mind your own stuff. We Allosaurus fans are getting really dissed by the incompetent way you are presenting our dino. Please stop making the general public think that Allosaurus fans are unbalanced or irrational by refraining from rooting anymore for Allosaurus, you're making Allosaurus look weak and bad.
from Angry Allosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Huh? If you can alter an Allosaurus to be ultra strong, why exactly are you altering it for? That's because it was whimpy in its prime form and could not win that's why. Congrats Master, you have once again showed that Allosaurus is a whimp in another post... seesh...are you sure you're not really a rex fan gremlining to make Allosaurus look bad? Because it sure looks that way.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Who here collects fossils?!?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Zeusraptor: (Thunder God Plunderer)
Dromaesaurid
5m long
2m tall
25cm sickle claw
Blue in colour
Gives powerfull electric shocks, 600 amps, 100,000 volts.

1 T Rex vs 3 Zeusraptor:

Master: The Ref is a neutral Carnotaurus

The Exhuberant Crowd: Shut up and get them fighting!

Ref: One, Tw -

Ref receives powerfull electric shock and is knocked out. Blood oozes from his nostrils.

Z1: Time to face it you sad excuse for a theropod! You're )*( is gonna grill! Tyrannosaurs (*&&&!

Tyrannosaur charges the raptor, grabs it's neck and closes it's jaws till they make contact with it's vertabrae, before the raptor can react! Both other raptors jump at the rex, and put high voltage through his convulsing body! The 1st raptor collapses on the floor with a very concave neck, while the Trex grogilly staggers around the ring! Then, one raptor's tail touches a steel knob a the corner of the arena, at the top of a post supporting the side ropes! The raptors body has severe spasms and it flies through the air, landing painfully on the guard rail, breaking a few ribs! The last raptor jumps off the Rex. The Rex falls on the floor, the wind knocked from him. The raptor kicks a 50cm slash across the Rex's neck! But it isn't very deep. The Rex, smelling blood, goes in a rage, and grabs the raptor's leg as it kicks out again! It shakes the raptor and throws it through the air, and it lands on the catwalk leading to the ring!

Rex fans: YAY!

Master: T - Rex is a cool dinosaur, but lets not forget that there's no such thing as a wimpy dinosaur! They're all cool! I just thought I'd make it up for the Rex fans...

Rex: Uh, I feel like a nice big hadrosaur and a lot of rest...
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Allosaurus vs. rex fans

The rex fans have all divided themselves up into several teams. First are the blockade runners, which have been selected for their sprinting speed. Though outrunning Allosaurus fragilis is not easily possibly, even with the speed of the blockade runners, the runners have all be selected for their ability to run at least about 30 kilometers an hour, about the speed of Allosaurus. Though outrunning Allosaurus long distance is not option, the runners are just there, after all as a distraction to the Allosaurus. All the rex fans are equipped with Level 5A kevelar full body urban breach suits, with the heavy assualt elements of the team maxing it up with the heavily renforced SIPE suits that emply cloned spidersilk hardweave. All this protective equipment is full body, protects the owner entirely from Allosaurus' bite. Comprehensive protection is also afforded from falls from Allosaurus' jaws. As if to prove how whimpy Allosaurus really is, the rex fans have limited themselves to nothing but Crowbars, baseball bats, and postcards. Though as a backup measure in case the assualt plan fails to work, an Abrams tank has been put on standby, though it's extremely unlikely to be needed.

The match starts by the blockade runner team hurling bottles with caustic drain cleaner at the Allosaurus, while the rest of the assualt elements move away to the back to position themselves far from striking range from the Allosaurus. The Allosaurus though,did not whimp out as expected from the drain cleaner bombardment as expected, and went for the runners instead. Plan B was implemented, with the assualt teams coming into play.

As the Allosaurus chased after the runners, who lured it past the assualt teams waiting on either side, the assualt teams spring into action and start attacking the Allosaurus with crowbars and baseball bats. Some rex fans were bitten, slashed, kicked and stepped on in the melee, but the protective equipment, rated to over 20,000 psi worked well. Nobody was seriously injured.

After a few wounds were opened on Allosaurus' legs via applications of crowbars and baseball bats. The vaccinated fans from the third team with postcards (as a final insult to the whimpy Allosaurus) rush in to smear the paper all over the open wounds. The postcards were all laced with whitish powder containing virulent bacteria harvested from the mouth of a friendly Tyrannosaurus. After a sucessful application, the strike teams all scatter and withdraw from the fight. The Allosaurus is left alone in the arena. Lacking the super efficent immune system of Tyrannosaurus, Allosaurus was doomed from the moment the postcards touched its open wounds. Large prescriptions of antibiotics meant for it never cleared the red tape, leaving it to rapidly weaken within the first hour, as the baterial multiplied.

Seventy two hours later, the Allosaurus is barely standing, and finally, in an act of mercy, the Abrams rolls in, points the cannon at the head of the Allosaurus, and fires. The 40-foot muzzle blast whipsaws from the tank cannon and fires an Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot into the Allosaurus head, blasting through it as if it was a sheet of paper and exiting in a shower of blood, bone fragments and gore that spread out in a fan shape behind the Allosaurus' blasted head. The dinosaur's troubles are over.

Hehe, I kinda liked Stegosaurus' Abrams idea and though I'd add in on it. Cool, too cool to be true. For goodness sakes, humans are the deadilest creatures ever to walk the earth, even deadiler then Tyrannosaurus. If Allosaurus was so paethetic against Tyrannosaurus, what good is he against humans?
from Alvin T., age ?, Salt Lake City, ?, USA; November 28, 2001


"Actually, I think dilophosaur remains have been found in China. Anyone know?"

Well, remains from China have been described as Dilophosaurus sinensis (Hu, 1993; "A Short Report on the Occurance of _Dilophosaurus_ from Jinning County, Yunnan Province"). Remains consist of a nearly complete specimen collected in 1987 from the Lower Lu-Feng Formation. There has been some speculation on the internet about D. sinensis belonging to a new genus, but I don't think it has been formally published. The species differ in that D. siensis has crests forming a V in anterior view (parallel in D. wetherilli), more premaxillary teeth and other differences in the premaxilla, less dentary teeth, and an extra fenestra between the nostril and the first antorbital fenestra, which D. wetherilli doesn't have.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 28, 2001


Who wants trivia?

You know, I'm still appauled at people's response to my teratosaurid and cretacious stages trivia. I thought intelligent people like you would know, and not accuse me of looking up the most hard trivia I could find in dino encyclopeia.

In any case, who wants a refreshing distraction from all the arguments going on? Trivia?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Afton - You wanned to be in Dino WCW (highly delayed, sorry, it's long and I have little time to spare) and you got it. But I want a list, on this forum, of your favourite dinosaurs, and whether you are fanatical, or you like a lot of dionsaurs equally, and your opinions and rators and T - Rex. It will help.

Thank You.

A young T - Rex vs Allosaurus, no reinforcements or help, rules enforced by the U.S. army.

The young Rex charges the allosaur, confidently. Wow. The allosaur jumps out of the way, and sinks its teeth into the rexe's spine. However, it can't do too much. The Rex breaks free and rams the allosaur, which falls back, surprised. The Rex grabs allo's shoulder. The allo tears the Rexe's neck with it's long claws. The Rex retreats, having ripped off a hunk of meat bloody meat. The allosaur, in pain, tries to retreat, and the young rex instinctively follows. But it comes too close, and gets a vicious kick in the right leg. It falls back, waiting for the bacteria to do it's work. But the allosaur decides to go down fighting. It charges the rex, jumps on it, sinking it's teeth into the Rexe's mauled neck. The young Rex falls, howling. The allosaur starts biting it repeatedly. The Rex kicks out, sending the allosaur back, then gets up and runs away a short distance. The allosaur chases it, but the ferocity of the young Rex keeps it back. Two hours later it is still a stalemate. A Draw.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Excuse me master,maybe you can write a post of elephants again but its just a suggestion maybe half could be posted."

The sad truth is that I am lazy and I really can't be bothered.

People can write what they like, of course, but I am shocked at how everything is strongly based on Michael Chrichton's JP & JP the Lost World.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


So, decided you'd be better off with respect here Keiran? Good. Try learning more stuff about dinosaurs. I'm trying to get to the top here but my facts are outdated too often, and I can't answer most of T - Master's trivia. And the Rex fans are after my blood. Don't cross 'em cause they swarm you.

~~~ WELCOME TO ZOOMDINOSAURS.COM ~~~
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Tell me if it dont wrk"

It don't work. The message "couldn't connect to www.emulations.net/playstation please check the name and try again" came up.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


I want some trivia now even if I'm no good at it. T - Masters gone now, thanks to YOU Rex fans. Well done.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


"Masters, actually Allowhimpy fossils were more common because 60 of them got preserved in a freak flash flood. If not for that, the Allosaur count would be pretty normal."

Yes, I know. But I'll tell you how many ceratosaurs have ever been found. 5. FIVE. Here's how many allosaurs have ever been found: at least 60! 3 complete skulls. Many partial skulls. Many comlpete or incomplete skeletons. And Brad, all ceratosaurs found where well preserved. So many alloz found together indicates a high concentration of allosaurs. Please stop swarming me, too.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


[Show WCW Dinosaurs ring. Details about it come with the first proper match, in a few days or weeks, depending.]

Master: OK, you asked fir it. Allosaurus vs Stegosaurus vs T Rex every dino for himself.

Spectators: Hurry the **** up!

Master: The ref is a neutral gigantosaur.

Ref: Start fighting.

Both Trex and Steg run for allo, because both hate him. Allo, is light, and built for speed. Despite Trex's legs being stronger, allo is 3 times lighter, and pegs it out a fire exit. The Trex goes after him, but the steg, thinking it can take allo out itself, decides to get rid of one opponent. Trex thinks steg has allied with him, so he doesn't see steg's tail spikes hit him in the leg. Trex roars in pain and bites stegos head into red mush. With his injured leg, he's a bit slower, so allo makes it as far away as he can go.

Ref: Stegosaurus dead, allosaurus resigned, T Rex wins. Now the fans can fight each other.

Rex fans outnumber allo fans 10:1! But one clever allo fan brought in a task force of 3 plotoallosaurus, (armoured other lizard, 45m long, their hormones have been altered so that the hormones that tell muscle growth to stop don't work, so they are ultra strong,) which all attack our hero the Trex. Trex carges them, they charge Trex. Trex grabs one on the neck, and severs it's cervical vertabra in the middle. What a powerfull, amazing predator. It's truly the best. The other 2 plotoallos jump on Trex and grab his dorsal vertabara. They shake his spine so hard that they dislodge part of his spinal chord. In his death throes, he whips a plotoallo in the face with his tail, but it is OK. The fans are brutally fighting each other, and they Rex fans are winning. Neither have millitary equipment. The plotoallos start to massacre the Rex fans. The allo fans win. Oh dear. The most advanced, deadly, and popular predator died a heroic death. Isn't life cruel.

Master: Now stop attacking me.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


What people aren't noticing is that I'm retaliating to people who said that allosaurus could die of a papercut, etc.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Excuse me master,maybe you can write a post of elephants again but its just a suggestion maybe half could be posted.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 28, 2001


I'd like to remind people that da masta has changed his name to Master.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Someone wanted info on dilophosaurs? Woohoo!

Dilophosaurs, meaning two ridge lizard, because of the two V shaped crests on it's head, is an early jurassic theropod. It is in the family ceratosauria, and has been found in the Kayeta Formation, Arizona, Gold Springs, Moenkopi Wash, and Landmark Wash, in the United States. The crests on it's head where wafer - thin and fragile, and probably used for display to one another for females, or something like that. It was up to 6m (about 19 foot) long, but lightly built. It had rather weak jaws, in Jurassic Park they proposed that it could have spat venom to paralyse prey, but there is no proof of that. There is also no proof that it had a neck frill like in Jurassic Park. Actually, I think dilophosaur remains have been found in China. Anyone know? Dilophosaurs had long, slender necks and legs, and long thin tails and slender teeth. Oh, I've remembered an earlier post. I was saying that dilophosaurs should be Spinosaurids, not Ceratosaurs, because they have a kinked upper jaw with a gap between the front and back teeth. Brad said I'd have to prove them not coelurosaurian. If I find time I'll look at some skeletal diagrams and try to find any similarities dilo has with spinosaurids and differences with ceratosaurs. Dilo would have preyed on dinosaurs like scutellosaurus, a little armoured dinosaur, and anchisaurus, a prosauropod about 2m long. I think it would have lived in scrub and open woodland. If there's anything I missed feel free to correct me or put up some additional information.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 28, 2001


Yup,just another myth,the africans seem to claim a congo swamp dinosaur or maybe just a rhino.The congo people say that the creature resembles a rhino.
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 28, 2001


And why all this hoohaa about T-Rex vs. Allosaurus? I don't like either of them but it's pretty obvious that T-Rex can whupp Allosaurus' butt to the other side of the moon.
from Ostroc, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I don't think the WCW match was realistic. I mean the humans would have massacared the Allosaurus in like what? 13 seconds? I mean, have you ever seen a mob?
from Emar for the Socially Maladjusted, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I may hate Tyrannosaurus, but I think Allosaurus is truly paethetic. Let's put it this way. If Allosaurus can't even chase down a few puny and harmless Hypsilophodontidae without falling and splattering his lame butt all over the place, taking life-threatening injuries in the process, what can he do against intelligent humans? Allosaurus is more of a danger to himself then others. What a paethetic dinosaur.
from Seesh, the dino critic, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I'm no rex fan but history tells me that Allosaurus stands less chance against the rex fans then he does against T-rex. Why? Because I've noticed some rex fans are military trained and that's bad news for Allosaurus. If we read in the past messages, Honkie Tong (don't mind if I include you), has military training, so the rex fans are gonna be ready to take Allosaurus on. I predict Allosaurus dying in about 0.5 seconds after a HEAT warhead from Honkie's Honkin' big 120mm cannon on his 70 ton M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank (no pun intended, but a nickname for the Abrams tank is T-rex) discharges it's white hot copper jet at over 23,000 feet a second into Allosaurus' midsection. The Abrams can hit a 3 foot tall target two mile away, Allosaurus is no problem after that brief exchange. Geeze, humans are the most dangerous animal force on this planet, what makes you think Allosaurus had any chance against them? No way against the rex fans, the rex fans are always ready before they do battle (as evident by the way they hand the butts of their opponents back the them so cooly), and this battle will be no exception.

Gunner! HEAT! Allosaurus! 10'O clock
HEAT up!
Identified!
Fire!
On the way!
*Boom

Allosaurus is no more.

Common, if my fave dinosaur Stegosaurus is capable of defeating Allosaurus with a walnut brain, what chance does he have against intelligent humans? Seesh...total mismatch. Never really did liked you rex fans, but you have an ally in me, a Stegosaurus fan. Why? Because Allosaurus is a paethetic dinosaur and should remain that way...liked the way he fell his arse all over WWD, cool. Besides, how could I advocate the killing of fellow americans? After sept 11, that's almost unamerican.
from Stegosaurus, age ?, Ceased to read WCW, It's too lame, A waste of time; November 27, 2001


Thank you Jane. Well, I guess the Rex fans are one over me now. Pathology solves the problem. The tyrannosaur would still be in pain, though. Not exactly comfortable, but able to hunt. You appear to be quite knowledgeable to me. Welcome to the site. And don't worry, I'm used to getting swarmed. I have a tendency to say the wrong things at the wrong time.

My next post is gonna upset some Rex fans now. Don't be too angry please. But I think it needs putting up. Whether we like it or not.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


Jane u are cool and smart. It's a refreshing change of intelligence after Da Master's posts.
from ANOTHER aPATOSAUR FAN., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I think the fact that there were more Allosaurus fossils is because they were so whimpy, they were killed by the truckloads, leaving their carcasses to bloat in the sun and split open, spilling their guts, stinking up the jurassic and if they are lucky, become fossils.
from Sammy, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


How does Allosaurus even have a chance against the Rex fans? Let's put it this way, if Allosaurus can't even chase a few Hypsilophodontidae without falling and splattering his lame butt all over the place, and taking a few life-threatening injuries on the way, what chance does he stand against intelligent humans? Ditto, he's more of a threat to himself then to others. I may hate Tyrannosaurus for his overwhelming popularity but Allosaurus is truly THE pathetic dinosaur.
from Sammie the Dinosaur critic, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I doubt the loch ness monster is a pilosaur or even real. The pilosaurs are air breathers and you would see one coming up every few minutes to breathe. Also, the loch ness was a ice block during the ice age, kinda hard terrain for a generation of surviving nessies. And not to mention that the loch ness, though big, contains only 20 tons of fish. Which is to even if a cold-blooded monster like nessie, would be like trying to survive on a diet of a packet of chips a week. Not to mention a population. Are there animals out there that we haven't discovered, sure, but they aren't monsters. I'm afraid nessie can be attributed mainly to tricks the eye plays. Besides, the only good photo of nessie was actually a toy submarine hoax. All other photos and evidence are unclear and probably something else.
from Cool!, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


Masters, actually Allowhimpy fossils were more common because 60 of them got preserved in a freak flash flood. If not for that, the Allosaur count would be pretty normal.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


What does this have to do with me?

"I'm no rex fan but history tells me that Allosaurus stands less chance against the rex fans then he does against T-rex. Why? Because I've noticed some rex fans are military trained and that's bad news for Allosaurus. If we read in the past messages, Honkie Tong (don't mind if I include you), has military training, so the rex fans are gonna be ready to take Allosaurus on. I predict Allosaurus dying in about 0.5 seconds after a HEAT warhead from Honkie's Honkin' big 120mm cannon on his 70 ton M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank (no pun intended, but a nickname for the Abrams tank is T-rex) discharges it's white hot copper jet at over 23,000 feet a second into Allosaurus' midsection. The Abrams can hit a 3 foot tall target two mile away, Allosaurus is no problem after that brief exchange. Geeze, humans are the most dangerous animal force on this planet, what makes you think Allosaurus had any chance against them? No way against the rex fans, the rex fans are always ready before they do! battle (as evident by the way they hand the butts of their opponents back the them so cooly), and this battle will be no exception"

...

Cool...

How did you know the procedure for shooting things up in armour anyway? Are you enlisted?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


any information on dilophosaurus wounld be nice for my sa
from simon, age 14, launceston, tasmania, australia; November 27, 2001


"Ceratosaurs where rare, they where vastly outnumbered by allosaurs, meaning that their design was not as successful as the allosaur's."

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Perhaps the prey of the ceratosaurs was rarer than the prey of the allosaurs. Maybe Ceratosaurus lived in an environment that made it less likely to fossilize. Maybe Ceratosaurus matured less slowly and lived longer, so even if the numbers of Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus were equal, the allosaurs population was replaced more often and there were more dead allosaurs to be fossilized. Perhaps dead ceratosaurs, for whatever reason, were more likely to be eaten by scavengers. If you want to prove that Ceratosaurus was an inferior design, then study the design rather than the number of fossils preserved!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 27, 2001


Sadly, human genius takes over and the crowbars were coated with a concentrated extract of the cool conefish toxin capable of killing faster then nerve conduction velocity they used in the really cool Linstrat air rifles in The Lost World the book (tm.). Allosaurus' heart stops by the first strike in the foot to a toxin-coated crowbar before he even feels the "pcuh!" of the crowbar. Masters is roughened up, beatened up real bad by the mob (well, it's a mob duh) and paraded around the arena before being dumped next to the body of Allosaurus. Final Score Humans:1 Allosaurus:0 Masters:-1
from Cool!, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I dunno...if Allosaurus wasn't such a whimp...then what was he doing fighting tiny humans armed with nothing but melee weapons? What does this prove besides Allosaurus was so whimpy he has to pick on things 50 times smaller then him?
from Osprey, age 15, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I'm no rex fan but history tells me that Allosaurus stands less chance against the rex fans then he does against T-rex. Why? Because I've noticed some rex fans are military trained and that's bad news for Allosaurus. If we read in the past messages, Honkie Tong (don't mind if I include you), has military training, so the rex fans are gonna be ready to take Allosaurus on. I predict Allosaurus dying in about 0.5 seconds after a HEAT warhead from Honkie's Honkin' big 120mm cannon on his 70 ton M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank (no pun intended, but a nickname for the Abrams tank is T-rex) discharges it's white hot copper jet at over 23,000 feet a second into Allosaurus' midsection. The Abrams can hit a 3 foot tall target two mile away, Allosaurus is no problem after that brief exchange. Geeze, humans are the most dangerous animal force on this planet, what makes you think Allosaurus had any chance against them? No way against the rex fans, the rex fans are always ready before they do battle (as evident by the way they hand the butts of their opponents back the them so cooly), and this battle will be no exception.

Gunner! HEAT! Allosaurus! 10'O clock
HEAT up!
Identified!
Fire!
On the way!
*Boom

Allosaurus is no more.

Common, if my fave dinosaur Stegosaurus is capable of defeating Allosaurus with a walnut brain, what chance does he have against intelligent humans? Seesh...total mismatch. Never really did liked you rex fans, but you have an ally in me, a Stegosaurus fan. Why? Because Allosaurus is a paethetic dinosaur and should remain that way...liked the way he fell his arse all over WWD, cool. Besides, how could I advocate the killing of fellow americans? After sept 11, that's almost unamerican.
from Stegosaurus, age ?, Ceased to read WCW, Too lame, Waste of Time; November 27, 2001


Hiya every 1.

I am just here to say sorry for tryin 2 annoy u guys by goin on bout barney, i woz just tryin 2 p*(& off as many ppl an possible, however, all of u x-cept Jenya ("MASTER") kept kool. I'm just gonna talk bout dinos from now on, and maby sk8 boardin.

Jenya, the warpath site is www.emulations.net/playstation. Tell me if it dont wrk

C ya all

Kieran (Kizza from now on)

P.s. The mega raptors rool
from Kieran, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


WELL OF COURSE T-REX IS GOING TO WIN ALLOSAURUS. HE'S GOT BIGGER TEETH AND HIS JAWS ARE MUCH STRONGER. ALLOSAURUS WON'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST BIG-T.
from LINDSEY M., age 16, AMERICAN FORK, UTAH, AMERICA; November 27, 2001


"I?m sick of Rex fans attacking innocent dinosaurs. Tyrannosaurus is the most advanced predatory dinosaur known, but it is no excuse to all swarm allosaurus, or spinosaurus, and attack dinosaurs you may not like so much. To channel out my anger, I will do a single WCW Dinosaurs special match, the first one ever. Scott and Mike will commentate on the actual WCW Dinoz, but Afton is available as commentator for this one. The ref today is a neutral ceratosaur.

Afton: The first match here. This wasn?t planned, just Master requested a special match. This isn?t the actual WCW Dinosaurs, just we?re using this ring for the match. An allosaurus versus an angry mob of rex fans armed with crowbars, baseball bats, hammers and birthday cards to do papercuts with. Our ref today is Carlton. No offense Master but this is so stupid.

Master: Might as well get it over with.

Afton: Ok, match starts ?

Rex fan 1: The hell with it! We wanna kill him now!

Rex fan 2: Charge!

The rex fans charge the allosaur. The allosaur jumps into their midst, grabs a fan, shakes him, and throws him away. The blows aren?t working, and the cards aren?t penetrating allo?s skin.

Afton: Pointless loss of life there. Jeez, the fans only said that T ? Rex could kill allosaurus, not that they could.

Master: No. They said a papercut could kill allosaurus. Maybe. They haven?t managed to give him one yet?

Rex fan 3: Die you son of a *****!

Rex fans 4, 5 and 6: Die! Die! Die!

The allosaur stomps on the rex fans, knocking them out. He knocks a few into the arena side ropes with his head. He stamps on them, and when they fall he picks them up and shakes them.

Afton: I?m going. This is sad.

Master: OK. I?ll take it from here.

Afton: Bye.

Even though there where about 30 fans and 1 allosaur, he has killed half the fans. Another half a dozen are wounded. Allo runs down the few remaining rex fans, grabs them in his jaws, and throws them through the air, screaming. He stamps on them to make sure that they?re dead.

Master: A clear victory there for allo.

Ref: Yeah. Allosaurus won that.

Master: Sorry Rex fans, but I just thought you needed a lesson. I?m a Rex fan too, you know. But I believe that allosaurus also deserves respect. Call me morbid, or sad, but I believe that we needed this match to show that allosaurus is not such a total wimp as some Rex fans think."
from Master. With a grim expression., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


"I disagree, Master. Humankind is simply a very inquisitive force. If the lochness monster was ever proven to be a real animal (which I doubt would ever happen), it is likely that research would be trying to save the species- if limited to one lake, the lochness monster population must be dangerously low! I don't have anything against human beings who want to learn stuff about nature. I'm more afraid of people who watch Much Music. :)"

In a way I'm right, in a way you're right. We will understand that this is a rare species in need of preservation, but some people will still want to prod and poke it. I want to be a feild biologist or wildlife cameraman when I grow up. You see Brad, sceintists often get too involved. Prodding and poking. I don't like that. They often can't just OBSERVE. Watch. I want to study animals in their natural habitats, watch or film from a distance, without interfering. Not prodding and poking. Watching their behaviour, observing and trying to understand their fascinating lives. Man should stand back and let nature do it's work. There's nothing wrong with being inquisitive, but I beleive that we shouldn't get in the way.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


Cool...I heard that Allosaurus is gonna fight Tyrannosaurus rex! Can I take back Allosaurus' severed head from the fight?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


And why all this hoohaa about T-Rex vs. Allosaurus? I don't like either of them but it's pretty obvious T-Rex can whupp Allosaurus' butt to the other side of the moon.
from Ostroc, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I dunno much about T-Rexes, but they seem pretty tougher then other dinos to me.
from Ostroc, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


**The immune systems of Komodo dragons are so effective in preventing septic infection that scientists are looking into it in hopes of developing a superpotent broad, mutlispectrum antibiotic that can be used in snap and aggressive treatement of extensive late-stage biotic infections.
from Jane M., age 19, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 27, 2001


Pertaining to Master's "T.Rex will be weakened by the injuries he sustain so much so he would be a weak, paethetic animal" versus the Tyrannosaur fans "T.Rex could sustain serious injuries without being affected much" stand, there is a way to bring this apparent ambigious standoff to a head.

First, I'd like to say I'm not a Tyrannosaurus fan, but more, an Apatosaurus fan (because Apatosaurus don't generally kill things), so please I would not want to see posts describing me as a hardcore rex fan or some allosaur cultist when I present my judgment on this debate. This debate involves dinosaur wounds, which makes me really excited, for I am a real pathlogist junkie (one reason why I like dinosaurus, lots of pathlogy involved) I'm being entirely unbaised here. Enough of the discliamers, let's get down to see who's right.

For Masters, he states that the Tyrannosaurus fans are being to biased and hardcore in their acessment of Tyrannosaurus' natural resistance to injuries, and that they are just saying Tyrannosaurus was invincible because they like him, with no facts to base it on (which is not true, from my findings, but we'll get to that later). He claims that Tyrannosaurs are no more tougher then any other dinosaur like Allosaurus (a real point of contention here, but why Allosaurus?) and that it was not any more invulnerable or resistant to damage. Masters claims that such injuries would leave Tyrannosaurus a paethetic animal unlike the hero the Tyrannosaur fans makes him to be.

The Tyrannosaur fans, on the other hand, claim that Tyrannosaurus is incredibly tough, and that he was extremely survivable. Claiming that wounds that would have killed other dinosaurs like Allosaurus (again), would have been easily handled by Tyrannosaurus, citing examples of serious injuries sustained by Tyrannosaurs which healed over, making those sustained by much injured Big Al and that Acrosomething humped back dino look rather pale. And not only that, they also claim that Tyrannosaurus would have survived these injuries AND still be able to hunt with good effect.

So who is right?

Actually, both views can be correct, for they are simply stating rules that apply to organisms. For example, it's pretty safe to assume that Ankylosaurus was tougher then Tyrannosaurus, or that a Human being could easily survive damage that would have killed an ant. But the problem comes when it comes to figuring out if Tyrannosaurus was really considerably TOUGHER then other dinosaurs. And by tougher, we mean the ability to sustain damage, survive, and not lose effect as a predator.

There are several ways to go about this. However, I would like to start by stating that a paleontologist has actually published a paper (sorry, but I forgotten the date and exact title, I'll see if I can find it to post it in a follow up to this post) remarking on the remarkable ability of Tyrannosaurus to be caudron-bornish in it's makeup, taking injuries that would be serious in other dinosaurs, and the social implications of the toughness of Tyrannosaurus (how did he link that in?). I didn't go too deep into the paper, but now if we are going to accuse the Tyrannosaur fans of saying without anything to back them up, that's certainly not true in this case.

Away from the politics, the morphlogy (physical design) of Tyrannosaurus plays a big part in determining how tough the design actually is. Physically, a stouter, more heavily built and muscled design will be tougher and more capable of absorbing abuse then a lighter, leaner frame. In the case of Tyrannosaurids, they were a heavily built bunch, with extremely robustly built bodies and very heavily muscled frames. Even the gracile limbs, which were the most gracile for their size class, were more robustly built then Allosaurid or any carnosaur of similar size. Tyrannosaurus rex was the largest, most derived and stoutly built design of all the Tyrannosaurids, far stouter and more heavily muscled then our Allosaurid or carnosaur designs. In fact, no other large carnivore dinosaur design was as heavily and stoutly built as Tyrannosaurus. This is not because they were inherently inferior, but simply because of a matter of timing. Tyrannosaurus had a headstart of an advanced bodyplan with more efficent features (Tyrannosaurus was 30-50 percent more energy efficent on the move then Allosaurus, which was about 2 tons lighter), allowing it to have the best of worlds. In fact, drawing up matches between Tyrannosaurus and other large carnivorous dinosaurs is sometimes like trying to see which car is more advanced and efficent, a 1980's motorcar or a Ferarri? Back to the subject though. Going by sheer morphlogy, it's safe to assume that Tyrannosaurus is going to be INHERENTLY tougher and capable or taking damage then other carnivorous dinosaurs.

But before you rex fans say Masters is finished from here, it's not quite it. You see, taking damage and surviving it is one thing (which you have be vindicated on the count), but will it turn you into some invalid incapable of hunting, weak and parasite laden? That's another question entirely. This is where the real pathlogy comes in.

Typically, I would expect animals to try to procure food in anyway they can. Meaning, a few broken ribs, though painful, will not stop a Tyrannosaurus from hunting as he will still have to get his food. The problem only arises when the injury makes him incapable of hunting for food, say a seriously injured leg. In that case however, I think the Tyrannosaurus, or any other animal for that matter, would have to scavenge from leftovers from a dead animal to survive until they have recovered. Given the fact that even a wounded Tyrannosaurus would have easily muscled in on a kill by other smaller animals, or that Tyrannosaurus were social so they could prehaps procure some leftovers from a company kill, after the able Tyrannosaurs had finished with it, a invalid Tyrannosaurus could survive until he had healed and be able to hunt again. In any case, it can be said logically that if a Tyrannosaurus was to be weak and thin from an injury that made it incapable of hunting, it would not be that way forever. It would recover to be capable of hunting again. If not, it would die. Sorry rex fans, but life in the mezonic was cheap.

However, the real heart of the matter is this: How much injuries did it take to make a Tyrannosaurus incapable of hunting? There are ways of finding it to. Now a great threat to any animal is a wound becoming septic. A simple bite wound that caused no significant damage that it affected the animals' physical function could become septic and start to slowly kill the animal by disease. In fact, my pathlogical interest has brought to my attention an Allosaurus hipbone that showed a puncture wound caused by a stegosaur tailspike (guess stegosaurs weren't that slow and harmless as we'd like to put). Though the puncture itself did not seriously affect any vital functions of the Allosaurus at first (he might even have killed the Stegosaurus who did that to him), the deep wound became extremely septic and spread in a mass of deformed bone up the Allosaurus hipbone and finally into the spinal area, where the animal, who must have been fraught with fever and pain, was paralyzed and finally made unable to hunt. According to Robert Bakker, it took about two months for the Allosaurus to die. All from a simple punture that became septic.

Given Tyrannosaurus extremely stout and heavily muscled body, it's incredibly difficult to impair him ability to hunt (and reduce him to Master's description of weak and thin) by physically injuring him. However, biological agents acting in the wound sustained by a Tyrannosaurus might have a better chance (and well may be the only reliable way) of bringing the giant down to a paethetic, wimpering state. However, prehaps by a stroke of incredible luck and coincidence, Tyrannosaurus manages to solve this problem with another part of his anatomy.

The secret is in his ability to give septic bites in the manner of komodo dragons and monitor lizards. A extremely specialized mehod of killing. Though all carnivores on earth don't have exactly good oral hygene, only a few actually deliberately specialize in making their mouths extremely repulsive to have the effect of killing prey in a matter of hours after a bite. (No wonder we don't find too many Tyrannosaurus attacks survivors, even the lucky duckbills we find who showed evidence of Tyrannosaurus attacks all had their bone-deep wounds heal over in a lumpy evidence of a septic spell in their injuries, very lucky animals to survive a septic bite) Tyrannosaurus had special cubular serations (like in septic bite using species) in its teeth designed to rip, rather then cut meat and also to trap it for the species of very nasty baterial which are a close cousion to the white powder we find in our mail nowadays.

What does this have to do with Tyrannosaurus surviving damage. Well, actually having a septic bite presents some problems to the biter. Mainly, in that harbouring such nasty baterial in their mouths, and indeed, specializing to maximise their growth and population in their oral cavities, these animals run a dire risk. You see, bateria are quite unintelligent, and show no bias with who they like to go septic with. So in that case, a biter could very well become a victim to the baterial in his mouth (pathlogy files: some people with very bad oral hygene have actually died because the baterial populations in their mouth reached such a high, they actually were able to kill their hosts!). Specialized septic biters all have very, very strong **immune systems, which is a good thing, for they would die almost everytime they bit themselves or each other accidently or not. No wonder we see komodo dragons biting each other on the head and not causing wounds that would have gone septic and killed them in 72 hours like it did to the deer they were fighting over. To carry such a specialized septic bite, Tyrannosaurus would have to tout a very strong immune system, which while meant for taking care of the baterial in his teeth, would have also served equally well in preventing his wounds from becoming septic. True enough, Tyrannosaurus injuries all show no or minimal septic intervention. Possibly a reason why Stan the T.Rex managed to survive a neck broken by another T.Rex, and even heal up so completely that it took a sharp paleontologist to realise that two of his neckbones were not fused by tetonic processes. Despite surviving the fracture, had the wound gone septic at his neck, as from a Tyrannosaurus septic bite, he would have died almost instantly. So in addition to Tyrannosaurus' ability to sustain more damage then other carnivorous dinosaurs, we have also determined he had enhanced resistance to the invalidating septic processes from serious or not wounds! that put animals out of commision.

Drawing up all this deductions and presenting all this evidence is good and fun, but how does the fossil record really validate this? Amazingly, via some clever application pathlogy, we can actually determinine if the animal who took the wound had became weak, or was still going strong despite it during the process of its life. It's really extremely simple. Wounds do not all heal at the same rate. The speed of wound healing is dependent of certain factors (I'm not making this up, it's all textbook pathlogy). For example, in an individual who is starving or diseased, not unlike a weak dinosaur that could not hunt, wounds will show irregular and slow healing. Septic wounds take extremely long to heal (or may never at all) and leave very obvious evidence of it behind. In the case of Big Al, some of his trival injuries like his broken ribs healed fast and clean, with only a bump to tell us it was ever fractured (broken ribs are rarely serious) we can tell from the clean and rapid healing that he was either feeding well at that point in his life and not under stress. In his other injuries however, like in one with a cavity and a hole for pus drainage, the healing was slow and irregular, telling us he was either under stress, prehaps being unable to hunt from the injury, thus starving and leading to slow and irregular healing. However, the nice big toe wound is the best evidence of all, it healed out pretty fine at the start, but started becoming septic and healing very slowly and in irregular stages, causing the serious deformity. What we managed to work out was that the animal was unable to hunt after the injury and as it's bodily reserves of food were used up as it starved, the healing became irregular and being septic didn't help too. From that wound, we can tell that Big Al was probably fitting Master's description of weak, thin and parasite ridden at that point of his soon to be ended life. He never recovered from that wound.

On Tyrannosaurus however, a vast majority of the wounds (even the broken neck in Stan, and even a fractured hip!) healed over very fast and clean. In fact, the most serious deformities we see in Tyrannosaurus fossils are mainly caused by internal disease, not injury related septic or slow healing. What we can tell from these wounds healing over cleanly, is that the Tyrannosaur at that point in its life, despite having the injury, was hardly affected anywhere so badly to make it unable to hunt. It was having a normal intake of food and was healing like an animal should with such a food intake. Had the Tyrannosaurus been unable to hunt or became as Masters said, thin and weak and parasite ridden, the wound that caused it to be would have shown us a very differen sign. The most serious injury I can think off in a Tyrannosaurus was one where it's spine was bitten into two by another Tyrannosaurus, but that animal died there and then. Either way, we can say that despite taking a heckload of injuries, Tyrannosaurus in general weren't too affect as a bunch by it. Even Sue the T.Rex (disceased in some mass disaster along with a couple of other Tyrannosaurs) managed to procure a goody Hardosaur meal as her last meal despite spoting dozens of injuries having one of her limb bones and jaw deformed by disease. If any Tyrannosaurs were going around with the injuries we commonly see on them, weak, thin and parasite ridden, then they weren't common as we hardly see them. What the evidence and good pathlogical work does tell us is that Tyrannosaurus could take these kinds of injuries, and go on as the Tyrannosaurus fans say, largely unaffected.

All in all, nobody is really wrong. There is nothing really wrong with Master's idea, it's scientifically correct and consistent with normal biological nature. The only real problem is that it didn't apply as much as he'd like to put it on Tyrannosaurus. Tyrannosaurus could reach a state where he was so badly injured that he would have to move around weak and thin, and parasite ridden, but as we have determined, that would have required a lot more damage then Masters have proposed (an antiorbial fenestra penetration don't quite cut it). So the Tyrannosaurus fans are in this case, correct in saying that Tyrannosaurus was in a sense, pretty indestructible when put beside other carnivorous dinosaurs. I am convinced, by my own investigation into this matter, that they are justified in putting their dinosaur in such a air-of-invincibility manner. But I must state again that there is nothing logically wrong with Masters' idea, just that it didn't work as he would in this case. So yo! u rex fans please don't jump on him.

Isn't pathlogy cool? We can figure out so many problems with it!
from Jane M., age 19, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 27, 2001


I disagree, Master. Humankind is simply a very inquisitive force. If the lochness monster was ever proven to be a real animal (which I doubt would ever happen), it is likely that research would be trying to save the species- if limited to one lake, the lochness monster population must be dangerously low! I don't have anything against human beings who want to learn stuff about nature. I'm more afraid of people who watch Much Music. :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 27, 2001


Allosaurs where the dominant jurassic predators. Ceratosaurs where rare, they where vastly outnumbered by allosaurs, meaning that their design was not as successful as the allosaur's. Allosaurs where larger, more powerful, and more numerous. Torvosaurs would be more of a threat, but they wheren't as widespread or numerous as allosaurs either. Megalosaurids where of course the largest threat, but over all, I'd say that allosaurs where the dominant carnivores of the late jurassic.
from Master, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


Lim Peh, you've just copied and pasted someone else's earlier post. Get some creativity. Why am I so good at making enemies? It ain't me that starts it!
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


"do you think that researchers will find the mystery of the lochness monster"

Eventually, yeah, but to God I hope not. Man is the most destructive biological force this planet has ever seen. Despite the releiving fact that we can't destroy all life or the planet, we can destroy quite alot of species, including ourselves. Man likes playing God. If a specimen of this creature is found, it will have a hell of a nasty time with all smart - )(*&researchers poking it, jabbing it, putting it in a little tank and taking all samples. So I hope they NEVER find it. Honkie Tong, if you want more clarity, don't bother telling me. This post isn't just for you.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


"STOP TALKING ABOUT T-REX BEATING ALLOSAURUS! We already solved that don't bring it back!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001"

Jesus, yeah. Gianna's right. The same old stupid arguments keep coming up again. Mainly 'cause of those hardcore Rex fans.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


I am in 5th grade and I love this website! It gave me the information I needed for my dino report. I am a girl and I love it.
from Amanda I, age 10, Morrow, Ohio, USA; November 26, 2001


I LOVE THIS WEBSITE SO MUCH
from Amanda I, age 10, Morrow, Ohio, USA; November 26, 2001


"they didn't deem this kinds of injuries serious to them that they didn't worry about engaging in infighting leading to such injuries"

I think they did. The weaker Rexes where probably scared )(*&. Just the infighting would have been so important to them that they had to do it. Like it or not, if your the dominant Rex you've got to fight off ALL opposition. Also, after reading most of your post I was impressed by you. You sounded like a good authority on tyrannosaurs. BUT, when I read something about allosaurs dying of papercuts, my earlier suspicions where confirmed. More hardcore rex fans know a lot about about tyrannosaurs, but are not bothered about other dinosaurs, which are inferior in their opinions. Although they can say a lot about ooh, how tough T - Rex was, they know little about other dinosaurs. Don't take this personally, Lee. That's my opinion.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 27, 2001


"This does not mean that the Rex would not feel anything. It would be healed up, but the Rex would be battered, hungry, and unable to mate, because of cometition from uninjured rexes. Skeletons found would be old individuals who have mated perhaps many times in life, but where themselves getting clattered badly by younger, tougher individuals. This does not mean tyrannosaurs are almost indestructible, it proves the opposite. ANY CLARITY QUESTIONS, HONKIE?"

I'm sure Tyrannosaurus like any other dinosaur, could feel pain. But the simple idea is, it took a great deal of damage to seriously impair him. Such skull and body injuries (the legion on social Tyrannosaurs like Albertosaurus and Tyrannosaurus) are caused by infighting for some social reason. Could be a mating ritual or some way of establishing social order. Virtually all adult rex skeletons show signs of serious injury caused by infighting, as one scientist put it, it's like going to the mall and seeing every other guy with a broken arm. Whatever they were doing, they didn't deem this kinds of injuries serious to them that they didn't worry about engaging in infighting leading to such injuries. Besides, what you said about Tyrannosaurs surviving serious injuries that would have finished off other animals (actually, most scientists contest that these kinds of injuries didn't really affect the animal's ability to hunt ot kill, despite their severity) proves exactly that, that Tyrannosaurus was very tough. Unless a critical system was injured, like his legs or eyes, it's very unlikely anything else would have stopped him much. But I think they are pretty much like komodo dragons, who infight a great deal but are increidbly tough. I doubt a couple of broken ribs or even an antorbital fenestra injury would have affected Tyrannosaurus much in terms of effectivness. Tyrannosaurus was too stoutly built for that. Tyrannosaurus was virtually indestructible and triply redundant, an idea you seem to have trouble getting in. We're not talking weak Allosaurus here, who like died from your paperct.
from Lee, age 15, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


STOP TALKING ABOUT ALLOSAURUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


What do you mean, "find the mystery of the lochness monster"?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 26, 2001


do you think that researchers will find the mystery of the lochness monster
from michael j, age 12, cardiff, ?, great britain; November 26, 2001


I've forgotten, is the antorbital fenestra the hole behind the orbit, or in front of the orbit?

Also, someone asked a question about dino crisis 1. My answer (bear in mind that I've never seen the game before) is this:

Games, films, etc. rarely show ACCURATE dinosaurs. They change them drastically, to make them look "better" or to make the game more interesting. The actual dinosaur that the blue dinos are meant to be was probably quite different in real life.
from Master, age 14, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


What's this Allosaurus everybody is talking about? Is it that usless two-bit Tyrannosaur wannabe?
from Jane P., age 11, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


STOP TALKING ABOUT T-REX BEATING ALLOSAURUS! We already solved that don't bring it back!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


Coolness? Large arms with claws? WAKE UP! If you have to go with coolness, you're looking at it from the wrong area. The T-Rex is cool, simple as that. Always has been, always will be. Why? Look at what it takes to stop one. You have to pretty much bite them into half with a jaw capable of exerting 20,000lb per inch just to take their skin off and get to the bone! Then you have to find someone strong and brave enough to bite through their spine, and THEN you have to wait hours for them to die! Something that tough is instantly cool, and at any rate, barring that brief bit at the end of TLW, Tyrannosaurus are mean and powerful. And it doesn't care if it's cool or not, making it instantly that much cooler. What does the Allosaurus have going for it? A nice grappeling claws, OOOOH! I'm just so scared... Tyrannosaurus... HMM! ULTRA JAWS! Is the Allosaurus super strong? Don't believe so. Ultra jaws capable of 20,000lb/inch handy? Nope again. With his weak jaws he can't even hurt Tyrannosaurus much with a bite. Allowhimpy knows nothing of Tyrannosaurs, he sees a dinosaur. He'll attack like he would any other dinosaur, might even land one slash with his claws. That puts him in close range, and wouldn't you know it, the Tyrannosaurus is real good at grabbing and killing his opponents. Now, he's just, no match, and he's being held by something that he can't hurt.

So what now? The time Tyrannosaurus is so good, he could kill that upstart like the USS Cheyenne vs. PLN in SSN. I like the thought of him walking the rivers to appear on the islands of Hawaii, dragging the body of Allowhimpy, bloated and with pruney skin from all that water, all covered in seaweed and having a few crabs clinging to him with their pincers. A fitting humiliation and ending for a pitiful combatant against a Tyrannosaurus.
from Lim Peh, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


We're talking Allosaurus vs. TYRANNOSAURUS here. Not just any simple dinosaur, but TYRANNOSAURUS. So Allosaurus is here with no speed advantage, no firepower edge, no resilence advantage, no intelligence advantage, no agility advantage and no toughness advantage. One question, how well does Allosaurus run with no head?
from Rice, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


I have a Java enabled browser now, so go on Mesozoic mumblings and chat to people there. If you want. I just wanna recommend it.

I'll be "Master" on it too, so you might see me there!

There's also this "paleochat" chatroom, too.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


"By the way jenya- ive jumped in 2 the pool on warpath"

Uh huh... know why nobody is impressed Kieran? Because your "war" is to nonsensical for even to most desperate compy fan to take side with."

Warpath is a computer game. Keiran - gimme that damn website adress where you can download warpath. And there are no compys on it.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


I feel like helpin' someone with homework problems, for some strange and unexplained reason. Anyone? I think I won't be able to come here again today, though. And Jessica appears to have done hers already. Which dinosaur was it about?

And what did a Rex have behind it's antorbital fenestra? Not it's brain, that would be BEHIND the fenestra. Anyone know? Muscles, maybe? Ah, I remember, JC. I posted a post about "seeing is believing" and checking a Rex's skull cast... Have you got it?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


JC, I can't find it. Maybe it's there, but I can't see it.

It was something about Trikes living in herds, not living in forests, and elephants. And it was long. And there's another post I can't find, I think. Can't remember what.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001
If it's not there, then I didn't get it. I always post them in roughly the order I get them. JC


"Probably nothing too serious. The Tyrannosaurus would be mightly annoyed though. I've seen a Tyrannosaurus skull with bites from other Tyrannosaurus in which the rim of the antorbital fenestra showed damage, with possible penetration to the fenestra (most adult Tyrannosaurus skulls show some from of antisocial social interation to quite a severe degree). The Tyrannosaurus didn't seem too affected by it for the wounds were virtually healed over. I suppose if Tyrannosaurus could survive braincase penetrations, I doubt an antorbital fenestra penetration would be serious to it. Besides, I wonder how are the V.raptors going to go about it? By stabbing with their sickle claws?"

This does not mean that the Rex would not feel anything. It would be healed up, but the Rex would be battered, hungry, and unable to mate, because of cometition from uninjured rexes. Skeletons found would be old individuals who have mated perhaps many times in life, but where themselves getting clattered badly by younger, tougher individuals. This does not mean tyrannosaurs are almost indestructible, it proves the opposite. ANY CLARITY QUESTIONS, HONKIE?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


Sorry everyone. Keiran is all my fault! I told him about this site! SORRY! I never thought he would go on about Barney. Keiran, please, stop this. He said he's gonna piss you all off! Keiran, PLEASE don't bother.

By the way, da masta now = Master
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


If you want lots of Greg Paul's skeletal diagrams, buy _The Scientific American Book of Dinosaurs_! There are a few at http://www.eos.ncsu.edu/eos/info/mea/mea120_info/www/virtual/skeletal/skeletal.html >NC University, sign in as a guest.

I know nothing about the feathered dilophosaur. I think I read somewhere that this is not a theropod skeleton with feathers, but rather theropod tracks that show imprints of the body texture from when the animal was lying down in the mud. I really doubt that Dilophosaurus would have feathers.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 26, 2001


U dumb people are thinking too big. It dun take a T.rex to polish off an Allosaurus. That's absolute overkill. Even Albertosaurus would finish off the stupid Allosaurus pretty easy. Sorry, but Tyrannosaurs reign supreme.
from wooho, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 26, 2001


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