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Dino Talk Oct. 29-31, 2001: A Dinosaur Forum

Happy Hallowe'en!

I wore a row of cardboard Stegosaurus plates to school today. Most people could correctly identify me, although I did get a lot of "are you supposed to be a dinosaur?".

I also drew something extremely silly in one of my notebooks, which I'll try to get up on this site if the drawing will photograph...
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


Of course I don't mind Tom G! You can make up dinosaurs! Anyone can!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


In Jurassic Park 1 the Brachiosaurus could go up onto its hind legs. I read that this was not possible though. Has anyone out there read anything saying that they could or couldnt?
from Natahsa C., age 16, ?, ?, Australia; October 31, 2001


Gianna do you mind if I kind of copy you and make up some dinosaurs?
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"NEW TOPIC
Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. Charchardontosaurus
who would win"

That is not a new debate, it was already done with Giganotosaurus for the better part of a year. It was resolved that T.rex came out on top in virtually every situation. Please do not bring back that dead and annoying debate...
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Allosaurus wouldnt only hunt sauropods it would've hunted fast dinosaurs like dryosaurus and armoured dinosaurs like stegosaurus
from ALLO, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Carharodontosaurus vs Giganotosaurus

Two large Dinosaurs of about the same size who would win
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"The subtotal of dinosaur genera is 1097, but when you subtract those genera that are synonomous, missasigned, or both, you wind up with 769 genera. There are also 51 genera that we're not sure about."

Isn't it bizarre how the total number of dinosaurian genera is the exact same as the number of non-neornithian ornithodire genera listed at the Dinosauricon? ;)

Does anyone have a list of the entire Dinosauria, that does not exclude the birds?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


The newest dinosaur is now _Chasmosaurus irvinensis_, a Canadian ceratopsid.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


NEW TOPIC
Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. Charchardontosaurus
who would win

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Yes, Allosaurus never really dominated, at least not to the extent that the Tyrannosaurids did. The Tyrannosaurids practically wiped out the competiton, while Allosaurus was always rivaled by Torvosaurids and Ceratosaurids. I definely agree, Honkie Tong.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"Jaquez-over 1000 genera..."
The subtotal of dinosaur genera is 1097, but when you subtract those genera that are synonomous, missasigned, or both, you wind up with 769 genera. There are also 51 genera that we're not sure about.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Thropod images!

I just thought these were cool. I like the spots on 'em. :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


"Deinonychuses have been found with a tenontosaur. They are real pack hunters in my opinion."

But that's just your opinion. They could have been lone scavengers that were all drawn to the same dead tenontosaur after the ornithopod was dead. They could have been washed down a stream and all ended up in the same place for a reason not related to behavior at all.

(Why new messages, but not my new messages? I hope they weren't lost!)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


My mistake Honkie Tong. Youre right.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"Brad - Dilophosaurus had it's dentary constricted behind it's fourth, and so did spinosaurus. Is that significant?"

Dilophosaurus

Spinosauridae (Baryonyx)

I wouldn't say that they're the same thing. The top edge of the Dilophosaurus dentary is pretty straight, it just has a bunch of bigger teeth at the end. Now in the spinosaurid skull (Baryonyx, because I couldn't find Spinosaurus), the dentary actually curves downwards after the fourth tooth, and rises up again towards the back. Of course, I'm not sure how accurate those particular pics are...

"I know their skulls and things where different, but could dilophosaurus be a primitive spinosaurid? Dilophosaurus had weak jaws, so perhaps it also caught fish."

To classify Dilophosaurus as a spinosaurid, you'd have to prove that it is not a coelophysid. (Or find some more evidence to bring back the idea that spinosaurids are derived coelophysids)

Why is piscivory always associated with weakness?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


"Aucasaurus" and Achelousaurus

"Agrosaurus maccgilivrayi-
Saurischia-Prosauropoda-family unknown
6 to 10 ft. long
Late Triassic(225 to 213 mya) Northern Australia"

Actually, Agrosaurus maccgilivrayi has recently been lumped into Thecodontosaurus antiquus. It turns out that the fossils are British, and were merely mislabeled as Australian.

I think that listing dinosaurs is something that we don't need to share with each other. It doesn't make for a very interesting debate topic, and it takes up a lot of space.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


What is Nanotyrannus's advantage in the Nanotyrannus vs. Utahraptor match? I'd bet on the guy with the eleven-inch claws.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


"What the **** is the DINOSAURISCON?!? Or dinodata? C'mon guys! "

www.dinosauricon.com

and

www.dinodata.net

If you need to know what a particular dinosaur is, just look it up on one of those sites.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


"It depends what you mean by "Super Predator". If you are going by in terms of species sucess, the Allosaurids never became the dominant predator of it's time."

Allosaurids were never the dominant predator? Then what was the dominant predator in the American Late Jurassic? Ceratosaurus? Torvosaurids?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 31, 2001


Tyrannosaurus killing allosaurus. Impossible in real life. If by a freaky accident of nature they ended up together AND decided to fight then T rex would win. Everyone else already said why. But I like allosaurs. I disagree with someone, Allosaurus was a successfull design. They flourished almost all of the Jurassic.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Now my questions are DIRECTED. TIM - TELL ME ABOUT THOSE SITES!!!!!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Megaraptor wins with ease.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Sorry to all T -Rex fans. I was wrong. FORGIVE ME! BOO HOO HOO! I'mmm soooooooooo soo SORRY! Boo hoo! Sniff sniff. T -REX had big eyes. Oh yes. He is coelurosaurian and had big good eyes. But stop trying to make it sound that it is obvious that he is coelurosaurian. You wouldn't know that if your books and the internet and the plaeontologists didn't say that. OK? But otherwise, I accept your points. And he had the most powerfull jaws. But not by as much two times. The number two powerfull jaw predator is only a little behind in my opinion. But otherwise, MY VOTE GOES TO T - REX! I am converted! And about time I confessed my sins against T - Rex. Where is Sean the priest of the Rex Church when I need him? What happened? Where are the fanatical Rex fans? Also, saturday, 12:00. Please come along everybody. All are welcome! And why stop at that? I wanna SEE some of ya! Everyone I know is just SOOO boring!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


HI EVERYBODY! Oh… ah… no staring at this message please… I was bored…

Oh, yeah!
Why the hell where the periods changed? When are they all NOW BRAD? Justify your horrific abuse of the jurassic ending 136 MILLION YEARS AGO! Anyway, my point REMAINS, the jurassic isn't 60 million years ago. It's the tertiary.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Some people think that bigger is always better. Not true.
Giganotosaurus. Bigger than T-rex in many ways. But though Giganoto's head was
bigger than Rex's, it's jaw, and consequently it's bite, was not. The Tyrannosaurus
jaw hinge was huge. It had to accomodate a helluva lot of muscle to power those
huge jaws. Giganoto's jaw was longer but the jaw hinge was smaller so less muscle
was used in biting. Giganoto's kitchen knife teeth were used for cutting into it's
prey, Probably during a hit and run attack as mentioned earlier in this forum.
Cutting and slicing requires less power than biting and chomping. Tyrannosaurus
was used to hunting heavily defended prey like Triceratops and was weary of any
natural defences it's prey had. It could work around them. Giganoto probably
hunted large sauropods like Argentinosaurus, which little or no defence other than
it's size so Giganoto would not expect it's prey to bite back.
Although Giganoto and rex were of similar body strength, Rex had a more
powerful jaw and hunted dangerous prey. In short, Rex wins by experience.

I could say that. But Syx already did. So I won't bother an I'll copy + paste.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


No encyclopedia, books or any kind of research there. At all. I agree that looking up trivia is cheating, but I only do it damn rarely, and I believe you guys do it often. No, I'm not saying you are, just I think you are. Dinosauriscon. Dinodata. All them other sites. Let's vote a new rule on I think you'll be keen on. When you check up a trivia question, you say so. You tell everyone. And that rule goes to everyone who respects their honesty. So what do you say guys? I especially expect Tim and Brad to agree here, you're always on about "looking up trivia questions is kinda sorta cheating," and frankly I agree. So let's have this little "rule."
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Brad - Can I be Brad II? No, only joking - I forgot putting the stages - easy - who can't be bothered to learn them? -
1) Berriasian
2) Valanginian
3) Hauterivian
4) Barremian
5) Aptian
6) Albian
7) Cenomanian
8) Turonian
9) Coniacian
10) Santonian
11) Campanian
12) Maastrichtian

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Thanks a lot Tim. Excellent! You people are so much safer than anyone at my school!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


All the pictures are so good. If only I had a scanner...
Also, T - master! Good news! You CAN go on the chatroom! You can down load the plugs free! Try to go on a chatroom. When it says you can't go, there should be a window saying "click here to download them pugs free" or something. Then download the plugs.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Brad - wow. I especially like the Shuvisaurids. You know what I'm on about.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Gianna! You are 10 and a 1/2! Ha ha! I read your stories more carefully this time! HAA HAA! Yessss! 1 down!
from da masta, age 14 & 2 day, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Thanks T - master! Happy Halloween to everyone too!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Honkie - I won't say a thing 'cos you said it all! And even though you are very intelligent please be a bit more humble. "stoop to Gianna's form of reasoning." You are 17 and your knowledge is appropriate for that age, but try to be more tolerant of younger people.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Well, I just got done watching GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH. If any one uses Spacekingghidorah with out MY permission I will include in Part 3 of Mesozioc Park, and will be killed. Now I might want to check out the chat room. What is the site's name? Link for it?
from AMD, age 9, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Jaquez - over 1000 genera. Tim problably knows exactly though...
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Deinonychuses have been found with a tenontosaur. They are real pack hunters in my opinion.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"Why do the "if the dromaeosaurs were in a pack..." arguments keep popping up when we discuss dinosaur fights?"

Yeah...that's increidbly strange, given the fact that evidence social of social interaction has been sparse in this genera, and given the fact that we have much, much more evidence of social interaction in ANOTHER genera (hint hint) that people always assume is alone when it comes to dinofights though fossil evidence suggests the contray....

But I guess having a pack of 6 ton locomotives with teeth kinda makes every other argument moot, but yeah, we should utilize this idea of a certain genera going in a pack for if the dromies can have pack-logic applied to them given the sparse evidence, how more justified would applying pack-logic to another genera with much MORE evidence be!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"Salidon is a dromeasaur(not a raptor)and related to Deinonychus. It is as tall as Deinonychus too."

If Salidon was the size of Deinonychus, it would take more then two packs (24 hunting animals) to take down a T.rex...assuming the Rex is NOT in a pack too!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"T Rex could run fast. 70km/h in short bursts is certainly possible, and 40km/h for prolonged periods of time is also very likely. I think even certain. T rex had powerfull, large and gracile hindlimbs, so it could certaily run fast. And one giant stride would be up to 4m long!
Back me up experts!"

Hmm, T.rex did run fast for its size. In fact, it was the speediest large dinosaur designs ever in all 165? million years of non avian dinosaurian development. But 70kph does seem excessive. I project the highest possible estimate taking into account physical factors is more conservative, around 45-53 kph. Slightly slower then a racehorse going out at 56 kph. One thing that is right though. Unlike previously assumed, Tyrannosaurus does show adaptations of keeping speed for distance, so maintaining a rapid pace for long distance prey chases is not unfeasible, as opposed to the previous assumption that such an animal would only be capable of speed over a short distance.

"Predators do not think "now, what I have to do is bite his spine, and then give it an up and down shake and break his spine." They just bite and rip apart their foe. T rex would just grab allosaurs' shoulder and rip it off. Of course, they never met, living at different times, and they wouldn't fight anyway because of the risk. What is the point of risking severe injury just to drive off a foe who can be tolerated or scared off?"

It depends, such predatory behaviour can be innate or learned. Biting cats always go for the neck of the victim when attacking to ensure a quick kill. Such behaviour, along with other more specialized forms (such as suffocating the prey with a grip over the air passages), were learned as part of the cat's education while is was growing up. On the other hand, monitor lizards almost always aim for the limb of the prey item, even though another part of the body may be closer, in order to hamstring the victim and prevent it from escaping. Such behaviour in this case, was innate and built into the animal from the moment of birth. So it's not entirely impossible that Tyrannosaurus (or other predatory dinosaurs for that matter) would have shown some specialized way of attacking their prey. This is hard to tell from the bones though. But I suppose Tyrannosaurus was fully capable of destroying any spine he came across. Then again, anothe proposed method of feeding by running in, teari! ng a bite off any part of the victim, and then retreating to let the damage (which would have been massive and deep) take effect would have also been very effective. Either way one solid connection from a Tyrannosaurus and that Allo is dead meat.

"Velociraptor may have been small and fragile boned, but deinonychus was a 4m long robust predator, more like a carnosaur than velociraptor. I think 5 deinonychus could kill an allosaur, but they wouldn't fight. How many times do I need to say, even if a stronger dinosaur could kill a weaker dinosaur, it probably wouldn't, because of the risk of injury that could become more serious."

Three meters is a closer size estimate. And though it was considerably more robust, Deinonychus was still pretty light in terms of mass, which hovered around 80-120 kilograms, which is much lighter then some of our predators today (Lions can weight up to 250 kilos). Deinonychus was also pretty lightly built in terms of toughness. So yes, it'll resemble a pretty much as some guy said, a bunch of housecats attacking a wolf. Not too fair a fight.

"Just in case you wanted to know, Tarbosaur, Allosaurus is a super predator!"

It depends what you mean by "Super Predator". If you are going by in terms of species sucess, the Allosaurids never became the dominant predator of it's time. It faced constant competition from other rivaling designs in it's time. Compare that to the contential sucess of the Tyrannosaurids, who rose up, outclassed and replaced virtually every other dinosaurian predator in asia and north america in by evolutionary terms, an incredibly short period of time. If you are defining "Super Predator" by this terms, Allosaurus never came even close to matching the sucess of Tyrannosaurus.

However, I assume Super Predator sensu Gianna refers to the preformance and physical abilities of the animal as a predator. That's where again, I have to refute as any kind of argument. In fact, the case here is more convincing. Going in terms of predatory capability, the Tyrannosaurid design was much, much more advanced and effective. Tyrannosaurus held a clear advantage in speed, firepower, sensory capabilities, mental facuity, agility and toughness over Allosaurus. In terms of speed, firepower (how much damage the animal could inflict with it's natural weapons) sensory capabilities and toughness, Tyrannosaurus had an incredible advantage. In in any case, defining a Super Predator by Gianna still puts Tyrannosaurus as superior...by a wide margin.

Which is not surprising. Tyrannosaurus had the advantage of having well-derived, advanced ancestors, giving it a good headstart (indeed, Tyrannosaurus was the most derived of it's lot, being one of the last). On the other hand, Allosaurus is considerably more primitive, lacking many of the highly specialized functions that evolved 80 million years after it that made Tyrannosaurus so deadly. It's kinda like matching up a modern day lion against a predatory Maiacid.

There you have it, the superiority of Tyrannosaurus in definable terms...man this is getting childish...I feel like I'm matching pokemon up here, having to soop to Gianna's form of reasoning.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Piatnitskysaurus vs. Cryolophosaurus, that's a good match.
They are very similar, but Cryolophosaurus is a bit bigger.
I'll give it the advantage.
Megaraptor beats Deinoychus.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


"Tim-14"
You're not far...

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Good job listing "A" dinosaurs da masta!
I know a few you missed:

Abelisaurus comahuensis-
Saurischia-Theropoda-Abelisauridae
About 25 ft. long, Late Cretaceous(70 mya), Argentina

Aeolosaurus rionegrinus-
Saurischia-Sauropoda-Titanosauridae
About 50 ft. long, 10 ft. tall at the hip
Late Cretaceous(75 to 70 mya) Argentina

Agilisaurus louderbacki-
Ornithischia-Ornithopoda-Hypsilophodontidae
3.5 to 4 ft. long
Mid Jurrasic(170 mya) China

Agrosaurus maccgilivrayi-
Saurischia-Prosauropoda-family unknown
6 to 10 ft. long
Late Triassic(225 to 213 mya) Northern Australia

Aliwalia Rex-
obscure carnivore
25 ft. long
Late triassic(225 mya) South Africa

Alvarezsaurus calvoi-
Saurichia-Theropoda-Alvarezsauridae
6 ft. long
Late cretaceous(80 mya)Argentina

Ananotitan copei
Ornithischia-Ornithopoda-Hadrosauridae
30 to 40 ft. long, 7 to 8 ft. at the hip
Late Cretaceous(70 to 65 mya) Montana, South Dakota

Andesaurus delgadoi
Saurischia-Sauropoda-Titanosauridae
60 ft. long
Early to late Creataceous(113 to 90 mya)

Anserimius planinychus
Saurichia-Theropoda-Ornithomimidae
10 ft. long
Late Cretaceous(75 to 70 mya)Mongolia

Aragosaurus ischiticus
Saurichia-Sauropoda-Camarisauridae
60 ft. long
Early Cretaceous(130 to 120 mya) Spain

Archaeornithoides deinosauriscus
Saurichia-Theropoda-Archaeornithoididae
3 ft. long
Late Cretaceous(84 to 80 mya) Mongolia

Arstanosaurus akkurganensis
Ornithischia-Ornithopoda-Hadrosauridae
Size uncertain
Late Cretaceous(87.5 to 73 mya) Kazakhstan

Asiaceratops salsopaludalis
Ornithischia-Ceratopsia-Protoceratopsidae
6 to 7 ft. long
Late Cretaceous(97.5 to 90 mya) Central Asia

Atkascopcosaurus loadsi
Ornithischia-Ornithopoda-Hypsilophodontidae
6.75 to 11 ft. long
Early Cretaceous(114 to 110 mya) Southeastern Australia

Aublysodon mirandus
Sauroschia-Theropoda-possibly Tyrannosauridae
15 ft. long
Late Cretaceous(76 to 65 mya) Western North America

Avaceratops lammersi
Ornithischia-Ceratopsia-Ceratopsidae
About 7 ft. long
Late Cretaceous(77 to 73 mya) Montana

There You Go! You missed 16, while you listed 41!
Maybe Brad or someone else knows Dinosaurs I missed.
Good job!!

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


My age is too personal but yes it is in between 8 and 12, but I'm not age 8(older) or age 12(younger)
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Happy Halloween

how about Deinonychus vs. Megaraptor?
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Happy Halloween,

In Allosaurus vs. Spinosaurus I would say a very close game, Spino was more massive and heavier than Allosaurus, Spinosaurus was larger and longer than allosaurus, Allosaurus was up to 40 feet long and spino was almost 50 feet long. But they were pretty strong dinosaurs, most likely spino would win but in some cases allo would.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Cryolophosaurus vs Piatnitzkysaurus. Now that is more interesting. This is for experts by the way. Now, it's not THAT hard. It'll just make you think a bit more.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Brad - nanotyrannus could beat utahraptor in an open fight, but if utahraptor ambushed nanotyrannus, It would win. Allosaurus could defeat spinosaurus. But it wouldn't bother. Again, large carnivores would not fight each other often. It is not sensible. It is an animals goal to breed and pass on it's genes. If allosaurus killed a spino, but was injured, it wouldn't be able to mate, because the another male allosaur would defeat the injured allo and mate with the female. Now do you understand? Agree people.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


What the **** is the DINOSAURISCON?!? Or dinodata? C'mon guys!
Now I'll guess your ages and you correct me. Oh, and where is Alpha male deinonychus? Or sean the priest of the rex church?
Tim - 14
Gianna - 8 to 12
Brad - 14
T - master - 14

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Brad - Dilophosaurus had it's dentary constricted behind it's fourth, and so did spinosaurus. Is that significant? I know their skulls and things where different, but could dilophosaurus be a primitive spinosaurid? Dilophosaurus had weak jaws, so perhaps it also caught fish.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Brad - Opisthocoelicaudia is a Camarasaurid. That's what it is thought to be.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Sorry rex fans - my big apology later - gotta go - damn school!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Predators do not think "now, what I have to do is bite his spine, and then give it an up and down shake and break his spine." They just bite and rip apart their foe. T rex would just grab allosaurs' shoulder and rip it off. Of course, they never met, living at different times, and they wouldn't fight anyway because of the risk. What is the point of risking severe injury just to drive off a foe who can be tolerated or scared off?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Gianna - Tim was only telling me, so I reckon he trusts me by now. But I see your point. He didn't say EXACTLY where he lives though.
JC would delete the information.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


T Rex could run fast. 70km/h in short bursts is certainly possible, and 40km/h for prolonged periods of time is also very likely. I think even certain. T rex had powerfull, large and gracile hindlimbs, so it could certaily run fast. And one giant stride would be up to 4m long!
Back me up experts!

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Hi everybody! I'm making a dinosaur database. Maybe some of you have one already. I've just done "A" and I'm going to do "B". But I reckon I've missed out at least a dozen dinos. So help please. Tim, you said you like researching, and I bet you do. So here are my "A" dinos:

Abrictosaurus
Acanthopholis
Acrocanthosaurus
Adasaurus
Aegyptosaurus
Aepisaurus
Afrovenator
Agathaumas
Alamosaurus
Albertosaurus
Alectrosaurus
Algoasaurus
Alioramus
Allosaurus
Alocodon
Altispinax
Amargasaurus
Ammosaurus
Amphicoelias
Amtosaurus
Amygdalodon
Anchiceratops
Anchisaurus
Ankylosaurus
Anoplosaurus
Antarctosaurus
Apatosaurus
Aralosaurus
Archaeornithomimus
Arctosaurus
Argyrosaurus
Aristosaurus
Aristosuchus
Arrhinoceratops
Asiatosaurus
Astrodon
Atlantosaurus
Austrosaurus
Avimimus
Avipes
Azendohsaurus

When you notice I've missed out a certain dino, post me a message, with It's name, family, period, late, middle or early of that period, where it's remains have been found, it's approximate size and diet.
I know you're up to it (Tim, Brad, T - master)...
Thanks!

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


ALMOST COMPLETELY CORRECT TIM!!!
1)Berriasian
2)Valanginian
3)Hauterivian
4)Barremian
5)Aptian
6)Albian
7)Cenomanian
8)?
9)?
10)Santonian
11)Campanian
12)Maastrichtian
I'll have to look up the two I can't remember later.
And I NEVER look up trivia.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


how many acutual dinosaurs are there found so far? peace out homeoby
from jaquez h., age 16, winter garden, florida, usa; October 31, 2001


Velociraptor may have been small and fragile boned, but deinonychus was a 4m long robust predator, more like a carnosaur than velociraptor. I think 5 deinonychus could kill an allosaur, but they wouldn't fight. How many times do I need to say, even if a stronger dinosaur could kill a weaker dinosaur, it probably wouldn't, because of the risk of injury that could become more serious.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Dromaesaurids ARE the animals so crassly called "raptors"
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 31, 2001


Tim,
I heard from my father that you should never tell anyone you haven't met in person the city you live in, the whole world knows you live in Los Altos hills.
By the way I was exaggerating when I said the "whole world."

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


Just in case you wanted to know, Tarbosaur, Allosaurus is a super predator!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


Utahraptor vs. Nannotyrannus?
I'd have to go with Nannotyrannus.
Allosaurus vs. Spinosaurus?
I'd say Allosaurus

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


Info about Salidon(Fd, if you think my made-up dinosaurs are mindless, don't bother reading this!)

Just in case you guys are interested. And da masta and brad, you should read this to see if you still like Tankoceratops.

This message is entirely devoted to Salidon, my first and favorite made-up dinosaur.
Salidon is a dromeasaur(not a raptor)and related to Deinonychus. It is as tall as Deinonychus too. Salidon hunted in packs, and they mated for life. Salidon's prey was tankoceratops, all of the ceratopsians, all of the mimuses, and, if starving, will look for a T.Rex hatchling. Salidon were mostly killed though by an angry mother Rex.
Salidon had a sickle toe claw and amazing jumping skills. Two packs of Salidon can kill a T.Rex.(though that is rare.)
Oh! Out of time~! I'll continue later!!

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


Why do the "if the dromaeosaurs were in a pack..." arguments keep popping up when we discuss dinosaur fights?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 30, 2001


Nanotyrannus vs. Utahraptor

I would say that nanoty would most likely win, being a little more massive. And having a larger jaw. If a pack of utahs came across nanoty than the raptors would most likely win. Utah raptor would do some minor damage on nanoty but after a bite or two utah raptor would most likely bleed to death or just die instantly.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


"Sauropoda has traditionally been used as an infraorder, containing at least six families."
Yes, I know. For example, Cetiosauridae, Titanosauridae, Brachiosauridae, Diplodocidae, Vulcanodontidae, Camarisauridae, Dicraeosauridae. And there's subfamilies like Opisthocoelicaudinae. But I tried to list as many of the Sauropoda as I could, as a whole, not by family. Now I think that's what I should have done...

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


"Today I'm going to try and list as many members of the Sauropod family as I can."

Sauropoda has traditionaly been used as an infraorder, containing at least six families.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 30, 2001


I suspected we might try to take theropods 'defeated' by Tyrannosaurus rex and fight them against each other. :) I think Allosaurus could beat Deinonychus, because Allosaurus is just so much larger!

Let's make it a bit fairer: How about Allosaurus vs. Spinosaurus? Say that each animal is about four tons.

Or how about Utahraptor vs. Nanotyrannus? One dromaeosaurid vs. one similarly-sized tyrannosaurid... now there's a big debate!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 30, 2001


I'm becoming real fond of trying to list all of a type of Dinosaur. It's fun, and to add to that, if I miss anything or make a mistake, someone will tell me, and I'll have learned something! Today I'm going to try and list as many members of the Sauropod family as I can.
Here we go:
Aegyptosaurus baharijiensis, Aeolosaurus rionegrinus, Aepisaurus elephantinus, Alamosaurus sanjuanensis, Algoasaurus bauri, Amargasaurus cauzi, Amphicoelias altus, Amygdalodon patagonicus,
Andesaurus delgadoi, Antarctosaurus wichmannianus(did I spell that right?), Apatosaurus ajax, Apatosaurus excelsus, Apatosaurus louisae,
Argyrosaurus superbus, Asiatosaurus mongoliensis (possibly a Camrasaurus), Astrodon jonstoni(possibly Pleurocoelus), Austrosaurus mckillopi, Barapasaurus tagorei, Barosaurus lentus, Bellusaurus sui,
Bothriospondylus suffosus, Brachiosaurus altithorax, Brachiosaurus brancai, Camarasaurus supremus, Camarasaurus grandis, Camarasaurus lentus, Campylodoniscus ameginoi, Cardiodon rugolosus, Cathetosaurus lewisi, Cetiosauriscus stewarti, Cetiosaurus medius, Chiayusaurus lacustris, (THERE'S TOO MANY TO REMEMBER!! so don't act as if its strange when I miss one, or two, or ten...) Chondrosteosaurus gigas, Chubutisaurus insignis, Clasmodosaurus spatula, Datousaurus bashanensis, Dicraeosaurus hansemanni, Diplodocus longus, Diplodocus carnegie, Diplodocus hayi, Diplodocus lacustris, Dyslocosaurus polyonychius(spelling?), Dystophaeus viaemalae, Dystylosaurus (I don't know the species), Epachthosaurus sciuttoi, Euhelopus zdanskyi, Gigantosaurus megalonyx (dubious genus), Haplocanthosaurus priscus,
Hypselosaurus priscus, Ischyrosaurus manseli, Janeschia robusta,
Kotasaurus yamanpelliensis, Lancanjiangosaurus cachuensis, Laplatasaurus araukanicus, Lapprentosaurus madagascariensis, Loricosaurus scutatus, Macrurosaurus semnus, Magyraosaurus dacus,
Mamenchisaurus constuctus, Mamenchisaurus hochuanensis, Megacervixosaurus tibetensis, Mongolosaurus haplodon, Morinosaurus typus, Nemetgosaurus mongoliensis, Neosodon (no species designated)
Neuquensaurus australis, Nurosaurus quaganensis (unofficial),
Omeisaurus junghsienensis, Opisthocoelicaudia (don't know the species), Patagosaurus fariasi, Pelorosaurus conybeari, Pleurocoelus nanus, Protognathosaurus oxyodon, Quaesitosaurus orientalis, Rebbachisaurus garasbae, Regnosaurus northamptoni, Rhoetosaurus brownei, Saltasaurus loricatus, Seismosaurus halli, Shunosaurus lii,
Supersaurus vivinae, Tienshanosaurus chitaiensis, Titanosaurus indicus, Ultrasauros(I don't know the species), Ultrasaurus tabriensis, Volkheimeria chubutensis, Vulcanodon kabaensis,Zizhongosaurus chuanchiensis, Parlititan stromeri, Argentinosaurus huingulensis, Sauroposeidon (I don't know the species)
Giraffatitan brancai.
Wow! This has got to be my longest post yet! How did I do?

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


NOW I'M MAD.
You seem to forget that some people really like Allosaurus, like me.

from gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


"I'm doing a big report on Velociraptors, and I can't find the answer to this anywhere... What did Velociraptors evolve into?"

I can't think of any known dinosaur that is a descendant of Velociraptor.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 30, 2001


Heck, T.Rex didn't even have to bite A.Max on the back (which he easily could have done) to kill him. T.Rex could land a crippling blow virtually anywhere on the A.Max. One bite to the head would be fatal, T.Rex's jaws would have on problem crushing the lightly-built skull of Allosaurus, a single bite, which was powerful enough to shatter Triceratops hipbones to the side of Allosaurus would destroy his ribs and spall them into the internal organs. A bite to the gut of Allosaurus would open up a gigantic 4 foot hole for all his guts and vital organs to fall out and a bite to the leg would cripple allosaurus as the bite will easily knive through to the bone, severing everything in the way. Allosaurus on the other hand, can do no better then a lacerating style of attack, nothing compaired to Tyrannosaurus's gouging, crushing style that smashed at pressures 15 times greater then any Allosaurus could put up. Allosaurus is no close match against the dinos! aur magic known as T.Rex.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


"While it's longer, it's more painful and you're eaten alive."

Whoever said that must be utterly infantile and have no grasp on reality. Tell me, just tell me, which freakin' predator cares if it's method of killing would be longer or more painful? None, zilch, zero. All the predators care about is getting food in the most effective ways, and the most effective predator is the deadilest predator. If anything, the best predators kill their food in the deadilest and quickest way to avoid injury to themselves and risk the prey escaping. And now we have somebody saying that a Allosaurus' slower and less effective method of killing was any sort of better and even a shred of an advantage. What a blatant, discusting lie.

Now we have some joker coming in and saying Allosaurus was any sort of better or looked better because it took longer to kill it's prey and it's method of killing was more painful. Not only is this point unttery irrevelant to how effective a predator was (a predator's primary purpose is to kill, not inflict pain), it's also blatantly obvious that a Tyrannosaurus bite is going to be more painful. And to use this longer and more painful point to advertise Allosaurus is uttery discusting, it's an insult to all of nature's wonderful superpredators. I can't believe how somebody who's even vaguely intelligent can come up with any sort of this kind or argument. Longer and more painful? What a liar and a fraud, and this person's supposed paleontological mission to promote Allosaurus is finished, kaput, but he remains a danger for he might mislead others into seeing predators in a movie-logic light, giving true animal biologists all around the world a much harder time into convincing people that Great White Sharks do not kill people out of bad intent or that Wolves are not really bloodthristy killers of people. Such blatant illogical misinformation being spread here is on purpose in a scientific issue is utterly discusting and unless whoever says this withdraws his statement, he'll face the consequences of having his entire case shot down mercilessly, or is it already done?
from Tarbosaur, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


Striking up a new topic

Allosaurus vs. Deinonychus

who would win?

Even outnumbered, Allosaurus would most probably take out Deinonychus, being almost 50 times their mass. A case of housecats taking on a wolf.
from Fd, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


"To do this T. Rex would have to be able to bite into Allosaurus' back by bending down, but he couldn't have done that seeing as he wasn't taller than Allosaurus Maximus."

Which bugger said that? T.Rex was taller then A.Max by a good margin, due to his longer legs going by proportion (about 15 percent longer). T.Rex would still have a considerable weight and strength advantage anyway. A. Max cheats pretty much anyway, over 50 percent of it's length was nothing but tail. So what you get is an animal that's long, not big.

And hello? Triceratops was about two thirds the length of T.Rex (9 meters) but weighted a third more (9 tons). Besides, Allosaurus never attacked a fully grown Apatosaurus ten times it's weight, it could not. It went for the young ones. If the sauropods' massive size could not stop predator attacks, they might as well evolved smaller and speedier designs. No you are wrong, Allosaurus didn't touch sauropods after they got beyond a certain size. Besides, sauropods are indeed slow and stupid and certainly much less dangerous then a Trike. And yes, Allosaurus was much stupider and slower then T.Rex as well. Face it, T.Rex was the pinicale of dinosaurian predatory development.

And sure, a sauropod is a large target, but all you have to do is to avoid the tail and keep rushing in at it and bite it on the side or something. A opponent like Triceratops is much more agile, is harder to dodge and worse trying to flank it is difficult. Hunting Triceratops is far more dangerous then sauropods. Hmph, some people even daring to say that Allosaurus was anywhere near as good or deadly as Tyrannosaurus is about the best complement this two-bit dinosaur T.Rex wannabe is going to get. Face it, 80 million years of evolution gives you a clear advantage, T.Rex was superior, Allosaurus was inferior.
from Fd, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 30, 2001


I wouldn't trust what bakker says he is the one who said that t rex could run at 70 kmh and that is NOT possible
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Thanks person who gave the links to dinosaur pictures. Tonight I've been practicing drawing them front on like in those pictures.
from Tom G, age ?, Thames, ?, New Zealand; October 29, 2001


"JC, could you put this post under Dinotalk for me too, please? thank you!"

Where did this post come from? I can't locate it anywhere else?
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001
It must have been favorite dinosaurs (I forgot to post it there, but just added it). JC


"While it's longer, it's more painful and you're eaten alive."

I don't know about that...what's more painful, a laceration, or mangled bones PLUS the damage done in order to reach the bone?
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


"To do this T. Rex would have to be able to bite into Allosaurus' back by bending down, but he couldn't have done that seeing as he wasn't taller than Allosaurus Maximus."

First off, what exactly prohibits T.rex from rearing past the horizontal line to bite something higher than its normal stance? Secondly, its not certain if A. maximus was "taller" than T.rex (which is doubtful in any case), the specimen is far too incomplete to reveal much information; other than that it had relatively large and robust bones when compared to other theropods.
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


"...which, might I add, was ten times the weight of his predator Allosaurus."

Yes, but did Allosaurus take on its prey single handedly? I think not. In a 10-member pack, the allosaurs equal their quarry's mass.
from Ten-Shun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Sam Velociraptor is about 2 meters long not 2 meters tall
from tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Shut up Fd!

I think its cool how Gianna is making up dinosaurs.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Velociraptor probably didn't get the chance to evolve into anything before the dinosaurs got wiped out
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Here's what Tim M. said about Apatosaurus: "a slow, stupid sauropod" which, might I add, was ten times the weight of his predator Allosaurus.
Here's what Tim M. said about triceratops: "a quicker, more intelligent dinosaur with horns" that was half the size of T. Rex.

"T. Rex was probably faster than Allosaurus given his coeulurosaurian relations."

I'm going to stress the word vertabrate.

"Getting your vertabrate crushed..."

To do this T. Rex would have to be able to bite into Allosaurus' back by bending down, but he couldn't have done that seeing as he wasn't taller than Allosaurus Maximus.

"Or bleeding to death?"

While it's longer, it's more painful and you're eaten alive.

JC, could you put this post under Dinotalk for me too, please? thank you!
from Sunswana bin dojo, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


"Now try mine..."
Well I'll try. Brad did all of them but the last one, and I'm not sure I can do it but I'll try...
"Name all the stages of the Cretaceous period, in order..."
Alright, here it goes:
There was three Epochs of the Cretaceous which are easy for me:
Neocomian, then Gallic, then Senonian. Now the ages is where I'll have trouble.
O.K, first there was the Barriasian, then the Valanginian, the the Hauterivian, which were part of the Neocomian epoch, then there as the Aptian, then the Albian, then the Cenomanian, then the Turonian, ummm, then the Coniacian? I'm not sure. Then there was the Santonian, I don't know the next one, and then the Maastrichtian.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Allosaurus could kill Deinonychus
from Monster Mash, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


A single Allosaurus against a single Deinonychus? I am definetly going to say Allosaurus. I don't think I need to say why...
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


I'm doing a big report on Velociraptors, and I can't find the answer to this anywhere... What did Velociraptors evolve into?
from Olivia W, age 12, Trumansburg, NY, USA; October 29, 2001


you are right man the t-rex is 2 as a killer machine.

Later
from jack hg, age 9, Ny, ?, US; October 29, 2001


Striking up a new topic

Allosaurus vs. Deinonychus

who would win?
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


hey JC i was at the dino fiction section and when i was about to click on my name to relook chapt 5(i think) and under my name it said age 14 and i never said i was 14! >.<
from evilneko, age 8, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001
I fixed it. JC


Da masta I do not think that my parents will let me!
Hey Godzilla fanactics check out this website!:
www.rodansroost.com!
Hi it's me, SKG and his twin Demon Ghidorah(DG is copyright... idont know who)

from AMD(you know who), age 9, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


"R U Candian?"
Nope, I've lived in America all my life, Los Altos hills California to be more precise.But I was born in New Jersey. Anyway, I like Canada, I've been to Montreal.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


Wow what a pleasant day! Thank you Gianna and Da masta for what you said, it was quite nice. Brad, you were right on my second question. Gryponyx is an invalid name for Massospondylus, Eolosaurus was thought to be a sort of Titanosaur, but now it is invalid. Lancangosaurus was described in 1983.

There was only one thing that disgusted me.
FD, why were you so nasty to Gianna just because she made up her own dinosaurs!! That's really low! I didn't think anyone would be attacked because of their imagination!!

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


idiots i am the best

way to go karina, a ten year old shows up and starts mouthin off
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


boy arent you nice fd. Mindless speculation speculation speculation. That is very dumb. The story site is for telling stories. It doesn't have to impress people but people do like to read them.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 29, 2001


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