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Dino Talk Jan 1-4, 2002: A Dinosaur Forum


Trivia!

1) What does Lophorhothon's name mean?

2) This: Dynamosaurus Imperiosus
is the incorrect name for which dinosaur?

3) What was a Stenopterygius?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"Yes, I guess that the fact that Dromeosaurids had slender bodies and hollow bones *AND A STIFF TAIL, AND THE FEMUR:TIBIA RATIO ISN'T THAT AWFUL AFTER ALL.* could suggest that they were fast.

I'm not excatcly saying Domreosaurids were slow, just that they were not built for speed."

Hmm, they do appear to have more characteristics that help them to run faster, than otherwise...
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 5, 2002


"Khaan was actually an Oviraptorsaur form Mongolia."

Oh...

So what's that dinosaur with the teeth at the end of it's mandible sticking out forwards at the front?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 5, 2002


"I know this is old news, but I just wanted to say that it is probably fiction to say Elephants can run no faster than 15mph.(Although they seldom tried to.) But when upset or threatened, they can run at speeds of up to 25 mph. (40kmh)"

Yeah, elephants are generally peacefull animals, and seeing as they are so big, they are very rarely frightened of anything. Unless you surprise one, and it either runs away or charges you.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 5, 2002


I know this is old news, but I just wanted to say that it is probably fiction to say Elephants can run no faster than 15mph.(Although they seldom tried to.) But when upset or threatened, they can run at speeds of up to 25 mph. (40kmh)
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Khaan was actually an Oviraptorsaur form Mongolia.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Yes, I guess that the fact that Dromeosaurids had slender bodies and hollow bones could suggest that they were fast.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


I'm not excatcly saying Domreosaurids were slow, just that they were not built for speed.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


All right, I'll tell Diloph.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Da Masta - yes, i really like star trek, but i'm not sure about the new one yet. The show is ok but I don't like the music in the new one, it is soooooooo soooooooo wrong.
from Jason, age ?, ?, ?, ?;

I would like to explain something.

Earlier Honkie made a big fuss about my post in which I was kinda dissing the person (sorry, I forgot your name, but it's been a while,) who said I was like bin Laden.

Well, I think that he was making a storm in a teacup, (I'm not saying that sept. 11th was minor and unimportant, I'm saying that my post was.) and I wasn't making a joke either. I was partly dissing bin laden, and partly dissing the person who compared to me to him. (OK, Sorry, but you wouldn't like it either if you where compared to bin Laden, would you?)
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"Isn't Sauropodus a nomen nudum?"

Yes, it is, but it's obviously a dinosaur!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Oh, the picture thing is with the post your story thing... sorry.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"WHERE CAN I GET THE LATEST DINO NEWS."
Well, Dinodata.net has a news index,and so does Zoomdinosaurs. The Dinosauricon might also have one, I don't remember."

Thanks Tim. Oh yeah! There's a news thingy here?! Great! Where is it though?

I don't think ZoomDinosaurs needs any improvement, I like it as it is.
It's got all I need now, anyway.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"The bigger ones might have been faster, but that wouldn't really matter becasue dromeosaurids in general are not built for speed."

Ah, but that's where you're wrong. The only thing against them is "quite stocky limbs" and "small size," the sticky limbs, well, OK, and the small size can actually be a benefit if they ran in suspension. Why do you think they had such a lightweight hollow skeleton? :-)
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"Isn't Sauropodus a nomen nudum?" I guess so. But it's still new in 2001, right!??? what percent of nomen nudems become real genus'?
from Jason, age ?, ?, ?, ?;

Are you a Trekkie Jason?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"Thr bigger ones had to be faster. Its like racing a horse and a pony. You know whol'd win."

Yeah, but ponies have much stockier limbs than equus, although they can manage surprisingly fast bursts of speed!

But I see your point. As they had longer limbs, the bigger dromies could run faster. Actually, I have this other theory. Ever seen a cheetah run? On TV? Well, it kind of leaps, when it's running it spends more time with it's feet off the ground than on it. Gracile limbs aren't essential for that, you need powerfull limbs to jump, that's the important thing when jumping. So I think that dromies ran in a similar way when they run long distance, by leaping it. It also helps to conserve energy!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"The hindlimbs of dormeosaurids are stockier than those of other theropods of their size. Their limbs were made for power, not speed. So dromeosaurids were not very fast as Theropods go."

Yeah, 35mph is a bit of an overstatement, but I'll let it go.

I think that dromies relied on catching their target before they tired out, I think they couldn't maintain high speeds for prolonged periods of time, cheetahs for instance, if they don't catch the gazelle in 1 minute they stop, because if they don't they'll suffer from severe dehydration. Same goes for dromies, in my opinion.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"how fast would you say certain Dromeosaurids could run?"
According to John Ostrom, Deinonychus could run 40kph (25mph). I bet the bigger ones could be much faster."

Yeah, that's quite accurate in my opinion, but dromies had better manouverability than any other dinosaur species. Utahraptor's max. speed was probably 30 - 35mph for short bursts, but if it wanted to maintain speed then 25mph would be more accurate.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


There's all this talk right now about the speed of dromaesaurids, so I'll try to say what I think. Good job those hardcore rex fans have gone, or they'll all be dissing dromies and writing annoying passionate essays about the "superiority" of T - Rex.

Different scientists think differently. Ostrom and Bakker think that they where very fast, (the generally accepted view!) and various others who I couldn't be bothered to remeber think otherwise. The Rex fans took the obvious choice for them, and whenever someone said raptors where fast, the Rex fans where upon them with their facts, theories, etc. about dromies being slow.

Dromaesaurids did have robust limbs, and also due to their small size, this meant that if they didn't run in suspension, they would not really be very fast. However, unlike T - Rex, I think that dromies had no reason not to run in suspension, in fact I say that they did.

Rex fans have long had it that they had very bad femur:tibia ratios, so I took a look myself, and guess what?

The Deinonychus skeleton I was looking at had a femur:tibia ratio of about 1.00:1.15. Adult T - Rexes where about 1:1 (but that doesn't matter, T - Rex didn't walk in suspension.) That isn't really so bad though, is it? And compared to body size, the limbs wheren't as robust. The Rex fans must have been exaggerating, naughty naughty.

They also had very powerful muscles, there where lots of muscle scars indicating very powerfull tibialis anterior (lifts the foot up when you walk,) and quadriceps femoris (straightens the knee,) muscles. I also saw that there was quite possibly a very strong sartorius muscle, which bends the leg and twists the thigh outwards when you walk, giving you good manouverability.

So it looks like deinonychus could run , and about 25mph as Ostrom said.

We also should take into consideration that dromies had light, slenderly built skeletons, making them even faster. The manouverability is also improved by the tail. Dromaesaurids had some of the stiffest tails in the animal kingdom, most of the tail was kept totally stiff by long, overlapping bony rods. It could only swivel at the base. This tail could be used to help do sharp turns, when chasing fast prey, like tenontosaurus. Dromies had excellent eyesight, even better than T - Rex, their eyes where very large compared to skull size, like icthyosaurs, dromaesaurids have sclerotic rings (bony rings that help to hold large eyeballs in place, present only in animals with eyes very large in proportion to body size,) indicating large eyeballs, and the forward facing position of the eyes would help to judge distance, speed, etc.

Sure T - Rex was good, but that is no reason to put down Dromies. However, due to their lightweight build, and poor ability to soak up damage, I think only dromies the size and power of Deinonychus and Utahraptor hunted truly large prey. The rest hunted animals no bigger than themselves, but they where deadly efficient.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Gianna, you wouldn't mind doing me a small favour?

Tell Diloph that now you have to be a supporter to put up posts, the people of the type which wheren't being nice to him a short while ago are gone, and I don't predict any number of them to ever come here now. It's just me, Tim, you, and some new people who appear 100% safe.

Tell him that I think this site will sure be worth the money should he decide what I want him to decide, and tell him that we all want him back. Please.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Isn't Khaan that south african dinosaur, and the teeth at the end of it's mandible stick out forwards?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


"It nice to see you again da masta.*I COULD NEVER LEAVE HERE FOR TOO LONG!* As you can see, virtually everyone has dissapeared. (Brad, Honkie, T-master,Leonard, John...)
Maybe it's beacause they can't or won't support this site."

In fact, I'm certain that it's to do with it. The reasons I think may well be:

1) It hasn't yet got to them that they can use their parents for it.
(which is the less likely option, since it says "you OR your family" on this screen where you type.

2) They don't quite trust giving credit card numbers and personal information online, despite the privacy policy, there is still the worry, not that paypal or JC are untrustable, no, it's just that it's a bit uncomfortable giving personal info. online, where hackers etc. can get to it, it feels vulnerable.

However I think this site is worth eveything!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 4, 2002


Isn't Sauropodus a nomen nudum?
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?;

Doesnt anyone want to vote for the coolest dinosaur named in 2001? I already vote for Khaan - supremely the best. Draconyx is second best. And to gianna "Khaan is pretty cool, but....." but WHAT???? Some of the other dinos nemed in 2001 are Citipati, Eotyrannus, Gobisaurus, Khaan, Rapetosaurus, Ricardoestesia, Saltriosaurus, Sauropodus. There's a long list at www.dinodata.net/Dd/Namelist/DYR/2001.htm
from Jason, age 13, Bakersfield, CA, USA, ; January 3, 2002


"WHERE CAN I GET THE LATEST DINO NEWS."
Well, Dinodata.net has a news index,and so does Zoomdinosaurs. The Dinosauricon might also have one, I don't remember.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


"When was Nurosaurus formally described?"
That was a trick question, because Nurosaurus HAS NOT YET BEEN formally described.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


"the longest necked dino is sauroposeidon --- mamenchisaurus is ssecond.
from Ian, age ?, ?, ?, ; January 2, 2002


"T-MASTER HAS DONE THIS ONE BEFORE!"

(chuckles)
Actually, it was me who did that question earlier. I liked it so I decided to re-do it again.
It nice to see you again da masta. As you can see, virtually everyone has dissapeared. (Brad, Honkie, T-master,Leonard, John...)
Maybe it's beacause they can't or won't support this site.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


"I haen't done this in a while, so I guess I'll post some trivia for anyone who wants to try it: *YAY!*

What year was Styracosaurus described?
UH...
What was the wingspan of Pterodaustro?
4M?
What does the name "Segnosaurus" mean?
SLOW LIZARD. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION TO DO WITH LATIN, I THINK. NOT TOO HARD APART FROM I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT "WHAT DATE WAS THAT?" QUESTIONS! TIM, PLEASE, WHERE CAN I GET THE LATEST DINO NEWS?
Try it!

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


Here's some more trivia: *GOODY!*

What does the name Lanasaurus mean?
"WOOL," OR "FUZZ" LIZARD, AFTER "FUZZ" CROMPTON! T - MASTER HAS DONE THIS ONE BEFORE! IT'S A GOOD ONE ANYWAY.
When was Nurosaurus formally described? ;)
UH... NO IDEA, TO BE FRANK.
Here's an easy one:
Which dinosaur had the longest neck?
SAUROPSEIDON. MAMMENCHISAURUS A CLOSE SECOND.

THANKS TIM!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


""I think Da masta is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Oh no!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002
Gianna, please read the notices at the top of the page - as of yesterday, we've changed the way we operate. JC"

Hey guys, don't worry, I'm still here! (Sorry to dissapoint you John, Leonard and Honkie, but your arch nemesis is back! With no bad intentions, of course!) This site is so good that I could never leave it. I guess this means I'll have less posts to answer then, meaning that I send less posts, meaning less bandwidth. And the post your picture thing seems to be gone. But it's real good that the vote your fav dino forum is back! Yay! But it's 10:00 now, so I guess I'll have to answer all the posts over the last few days tommorow. And JC, I'll try to put up less posts, but it's not easy, me being me! I like to talk to EVERYONE.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002
You can put up all the posts you like. JC


(At least I think I've supported... I asked my parents to do it for me, and it should be done by now, if not just tell me.)

Dan W., how fast would you say certain Dromeosaurids could run?
I can't really argue because I don't excactly know what you mean.
Because I certainly don't think any of them could exceed 30 mph.
And definetly not Velociraptor, which had to small of a stride to run very fast.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?,; January 2, 2002


Here's some more trivia:

What does the name Lanasaurus mean?

When was Nurosaurus formally described? ;)

Here's an easy one:
Which dinosaur had the longest neck?

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


The bigger ones might have been faster, but that wouldn't really matter becasue dromeosaurids in general are not built for speed.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


Khaan mckennai is an interesating dinosaur, but my personal favorite of 2001 was Citipati , an Oviraptorsaur that could have been up to 3m long.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


The Favorite Dinosaur site is back! I'm going!
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


Correct, Jason!
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 3, 2002


"I think Da masta is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Oh no!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002
Gianna, please read the notices at the top of the page - as of yesterday, we've changed the way we operate. JC


"What do you think was the coolest dinosaur named in 2001?"

I really dunno, Khaan is pretty cool, but.....
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002


ALERT!!!!

The Favorite Dinos section's back! I'm going back to it, are any of you!
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002


Tim M., 1. 1913, 2. 4 feet, 3. slow lizard. That was EZ!!!!!!!!
from Jason age 13, Bakersfield, CA, USA, ; January 2, 2002


What do you think was the coolest dinosaur named in 2001? I would vote for Khaan - it had the best name ever for a dinosaur. Right out a of a Star Trek movie.
from Jason, age 13, Bakersfield, CA, USA, ; January 2, 2002


"I didn't mean to make those typos on my last post. It's hard typing in the little window.
from Ian, age ?, ?, ?, ; January 2, 2002


"Thr bigger ones had to be faster. Its like racing a horse and a pony. You know whol'd win.
from Ian, age ?, ?, ?, ; January 2, 2002


The hindlimbs of dormeosaurids are stockier than those of other theropods of their size. Their limbs were made for power, not speed. So dromeosaurids were not very fast as Theropods go.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002


I haen't done this in a while, so I guess I'll post some trivia for anyone who wants to try it:

What year was Styracosaurus described?

What was the wingspan of Pterodaustro?

What does the name "Segnosaurus" mean?
Try it!

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002


Well, the bigger Dromeosaurids definetly could travel more distance per step, but some palontologists would disagree with the argument:
"The larger dromeosaurids are very fast."

Sheesh, I read a book written by a paleontologist on this subject!
I'll get ack to you, Ian.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002


"how fast would you say certain Dromeosaurids could run?"
According to John Ostrom, Deinonychus could run 40kph (25mph). I bet the bigger ones could be much faster.

from Ian, age ?, ?, ?, ; January 2, 2002


By the way, JC, where did the posts from December 30th through January 1st go? I can't find them.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; January 2, 2002
December 30-31, 2001 was archived (I just fixed the link, which I had forgotten to include). This page was down on Jan. 1, 2002. JC


Dan W., how fast would you say certain Dromeosaurids could run?
I can't really argue because I don't excactly know what you mean.
Because I certainly don't think any of them could exceed 30 mph.
And definetly not Velociraptor, which had to small of a stride to run very fast.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ; January 2, 2002


I think Da masta is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Ian, age I won't tell, Des Moines, Iowa, USA; January 2, 2002


Da masta i think your wrong about raptors. it may not have been as fast as any ornithomimids but still very fast.
from DanW, age ?, ?, ?, {I can't that find that e-mail address - make sure you typed it correctly, JC}; January 2, 2002


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