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Dino Talk Nov. 29-30, 2001: A Dinosaur Forum

"Hmmmmm....
It seems as though if someone has another favorite dinosaur other than T-Rex the T-Rex fans say, hey, your dinosaur can't beat T-Rex so it's a wimp.
If someone has another fave dinosaur like Raptors or Allosaurus they can like it if they want."

Often, if I see a relevant post, I use it instead of typing my own stuff (something a lot of people despise me for.) This is a post I think a lot of people can learn from.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"I wouldn't term an Abram's tank as a tool."

Why not? It dosen't need to be simple to be a tool. An Abrams tank is after all, simply an incredibly complex tool we invented to wreck incredible death and havoc on the poor bugger of our intentions. Virtually everything we use around is a tool!

Welcome to the 21st century baby.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Hmm, I doubt that. A relatively intelligent and agile and fast allosaur, or tyrannosaur, or gallimimus, *insert about 50 genera here*, or hypsilophodont could easily dodge the shells etc, and get away without too much problem. Since I'm going to do other things now, you wouldn't mind taking a quick peak at a WW2 website to find out stuff about Sherman tanks? If you don't find something, I'll try. It'll provide important data for the argument."

Note that the Sherman does not have to actually hit the dinosaur, an area effect anti-personnel "beehive" warhead or a run with the .50 caliber mounted on top would do quite finely, disabling the smaller dinosaurs. Hitting the larger ones would be like hitting an incredibly fast elephant. But unless the Sherman was using the hand-crank (in the early models), without the powered turret, they could just about hit them. I wonder, Shermans were pretty cannon fodder in WW2, but how would the deadily Tiger tank fare? For the Abrams though, 50 years ahead, hitting any dinosaur will not be a problem. The M1A2's fire control system is so advanced, in run trails, can put a round into a 3 foot tall target while it and the target itself is on the move, at over 43 mph over uneven terrain. Turret tranverse is 180 degrees in 2 seconds, which is much faster then any dinosaur can run at say, 30 meters from the tank. And worse, it's impossible to hurt the Abrams.

Of course, the 70-ton Abrams could just run any dinosaur it wanted down, save for the largest ones. Since when did this become Tanks vs. Dinosaurs?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"albertosaur: 2.5 tons"

Common mistake, I make them too. It appears you are converting the weight into US Metric tons from 2,500 kilos. In that case, Albertosaurus would be about 3 tons.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"I never attacked anyone. Any NICE visitor from the side will notice that."

I'm not sure what your real intentions were, but that Albertosaurus post seemed like an attack on me, and a rather rude one at that. And from what the people from the side are saying, they don't see it any other way either.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Alright, times up for you Rexer fans, T-Rex has been on the top for too long itÌs time he gets cut down to size. Da Masta, IÌm with you, if they can swarm us, we can swarm them too. The Rexer fans are going to wish that their dinosaur was never the top in the first place. Honkie, you speak like you know a lot about dinosaurs, but you actually do not. Ha! DonÌt you know Albertosaurus legs were just as long and as strong as Tyrannosaurus?"

Honkie Tong: Johnny, as much as you may be riving for combat, I donít see why I am the target of anybody who has a bone to pick with T.rex, and I certainly donít understand whatís the reason for you hostility towards me. But just for your information, I think your statement about Albertosaurus limbs being just as long and as strong canít be based on much actual knowledge of the matter of your part. For measurement for measurement, Tyrannosaurus was proportionally no different from Albertosaurus. Taking that into account, itís impossible for Albertosaurus to have longer limbs. Not unless you want to somehow argue that an animal with its legs 9 feet long would have limbs the same length of another animal with legs 12 feet long. I donít see how itís mathematically possible. On the idea of Albertosaurus having limbs just as strong, I also do not see where itís coming from. After all, Albertosaurus did not show any potential for having more muscle in its limbs, neither could you argue that its limbs were better adapted for speed. For both had exactly the same limb bone proportions, they were equally gracile. So Albertosaurus limbs were neither as long, nor as strong as Tyrannosaurus limbs. This is not to imply that either animal ran faster then the other, but just that neither animal was better adapted then speed for the other. Itís practically impossible to say that Albertosaurus must have been 15mph faster, for at some point in its life, Tyrannosaurus had been same size as Albertosaurus, and would have run equally as fast at that point. Pertaining to which, some scientists argue that the large Tyrannosaurids were the fastest when they were in their mid youth, slowing down as they piled the size on, though an adult Tyrannosaur would still be one of the fastest things in its size class around. So if you plot the fastest speeds ever achieved by Albertosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, youíll find that the fastest speeds they ever reached in all their lives were about the same. In that way, itís not logical to say Albertosaurus had any sort of a meaningful speed advantage at all. What Albertosaurus had was a ìvirtualî what I would like to call ìholotypeî speed advantage, a mirageous as they so say, a statistical illusion.

"Humans aren't deadly Honkie Tong. Abrams tanks aren't deadly either."

I don't see how Humans can be considered anysort of doctile. Sure, we don't kill with our natural weapons (like we had any), but I doubt any animal would not consider us as "not" deadily. Humans are after all, the most dangerous and top predator on this planet.

And if you're talking in terms of sheer ability, the 70-ton M1A2 Abrams MBT, piloted by an average crew, can just defeat not just any dinosaur, but every dinosaur we know, and by a very wide margin there's not a thing they can really do about it. I can hardly see how any dinosaur can really hurt a 70-ton Abrams, not even by stomping on it, and the thing moves at 43mph. One shot from the 120mm smoothbore cannon can kill just about any dinosaur in a single shot, even the massive sauropods. It appears you view Dinosaurs vs. MBT more on a Godzilla scale, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Dinosaurs were after all flesh and blood. I doubt any dinosaur stands much chance against an M1A2 Abrams.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Quote:
"liplerdon vs. gigantosauryus"

Hehehe,that would never have happened :D

Liopleurodon(NOT a dinosaur,only a marine reptile) lived where what is now England during the late Jurassic.

Giganotosaurus (carcharadontasaurine) lived during the early Cretacious in what is now England.

And btw,you might want to do a spell check to be sure you spell the genus names right.Just don't mix the therapod _Giganotosaurus with the sauropod _Gigantosaurus.
from KillerRaptor, age 17, Germantown, TN, U.S.A; November 30, 2001


Did you guys know dinosaurs DO swim :)

hehehehehe

That includes therapods such as ducks,geese,swans,penguins,seagulls,Hesperornis,and so on.
from KillerRaptor, age 17, Germantown, TN, U.S.A; November 30, 2001


I LIKE DIPLODOCUS. Why? because It was nice unlike T-rex. He killed everyting while gentle Di[lohocus didn't do anithing.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Hello Tim M.
My name is Diloph(as you can see).
Read my story on Short Works if it's posted yet, tell me if you like it

from diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Humans aren't deadly"
I disagree, our intelligence makes us deadly in some ways.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


liplerdon vs. gigantosauryus.
from ?, age ??, ???, ????, ?????; November 30, 2001


I refuse to be one of those people who thing comp can kill rex. Though i'm not a rex fan comp killing rex is one of the stupdest things i ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DILOPHOSAURUS AND TRICERATOPS RULE
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Yes I think dreams are messages, da masta. Get this:

I had a dream I was miles away from a fire and my family had to run away........
a few days before Sept. 11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


I never swear.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Let's start a new topic, shall we, allo vs. rex is kind of old, and how about one where something isn't beating anything.

What dinosaur, that has been discovered, would you think has the worst defense, is just a slow or weak dinosaur that probably was practically no challenge for a predator?

this is not trivia, just a topic
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Why is Alectrosaurus called "unmarried lizard?" It's been bugging me for a few minutes now. I just thought someone might know. Tim M or Honkie Tong, or Brad."

It's a bad translation. The meaning of Alectrosaurus is actually closer to "alone lizard". Due to big arms and claws incorrectly assigned to Alectrosaurus, it was thought that it couldn't be closely related to other tyrannosaurs. No we know that the clawed forelimbs belonged to a segnosaur, and Alectrosaurus is a tyrannosaur after all.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 30, 2001


CNN
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Dinotalk Unrest: The War Between Da Masta and Tyrannosaurus fans

By Ceratosaurus

(CNN) -- With the threat of an offensive looming, Da Masta was the target Friday of continued heavy Tyrannosaurus fan-led strikes, according to CNN sources.

Despite the barrage, CNN sources heard observed no signs of Da Masta relenting, indicating that he is still tenaciously holding onto power at this point, defending himself the best he can.

The conflict started in Dinotalk on the 27th of November after Da Masta escalated rising tensions into full blow war in the forum by posting a message depicting a fantasy situation in which Tyrannosaurus fans were massacred by an Allosaurus, apparently in a bid to "teach" them a lesson that Allosaurus was not such a ìwhimpyî dinosaur.

The outcry was immediate from a multiple of quarters, Tyrannosaurus fans immediately discredited the move as an underhand and disgusting way of arguing, by involving the fantasized killing of his opponents, launching in a series of counterplots to negate the effect of his story, proving that Tyrannosaur fans, indeed, could kill an Allosaur. From CNN sources, these countermeasures appeared to be successful in riving the general public into action in protest against Da Mastaís actions.

However, in an apparent move to show he was unfazed, Da Masta continued to post even more fantasized situations, in which Tyrannosaurus fans were mutilated and killed, with a series of other stories as follow up strikes. Effectively flooding the Dinotalk forum with his stories, public outcry was immediate.

In a impromptu coalition of dinosaur fans from Tyrannosaurus, Triceratops, Stegosaurus and Apatosaurus, and even with traditional enemies like Velociraptor, with the Tyrannosaurus fans appearing to lead the way, Strikes were hard and unrelenting, criticizing Da Mastaís lack of decora, respect, and mature ness in debating in a civilized fashion.

Da Masta defended himself by explaining that the overwhelming show of support against him was not because he was immature or disrespectful, but was that all the other dinosaur fans did not like him for supporting their ìenemy dinosaurî and were all after him as a result. The ìswarmingî against him said, Da Masta, was entirely not his fault, claiming to like all dinosaurs.

However many disagree.

Pathology interest, Jane M., who spoke to Da Masta on certain occasions, thinks that the reason that the show of overwhelming support against him is hardly because of him supporting all dinosaurs against their ìenemyî fans. Rather she claims that Da Mastaís fantasy stories were actually a result of his own frustration at wanting to win the argument, and finally resorting to using such stories as attacks to achieve that aim.

ìBy posting such stories, instead of showing to others that Allosaurus was not-so-weak by your stories, you are actually creating the impression that you are somebody who is totally outtalked, outshot, outgunned and losing so badly that you decided to resort to such immature tatics to prove your point. I'm afraid people won't buy that. ì Said Jane.

Jane who used to have rosy relations with Da Masta, seems to be distressed and affected by the fantasy attacks by him on the Tyrannosaurus fans. She slammed these stories as immature and unfit for a civilized debate.

ìIf anything, you are losing respect at a goodly rate and hurting your case real bad at the same time. All these kinds of lame and immature stories belong in Dinofiction (though I admit there are many fantastic stories there), not here, being used as some kind of preverse and immature way to promote you case or get back at people. I don't mean any harm or bad intention, but even I was discusted by the WCW stories, who seemed to me as a rather weak way to get back at people. It seems to me, the reasons you are having trouble when you are being swarmed is because you case is shaky and rather weak, compaired to the case on the side of the rex fans. I'm saying this from an unbaised point of view, that generally I find that Master's arguments are less chorent and generally weaker then those put up by Honkie or Leonard. In any case, this is not a reason to weave fantasy stories to make yourself feel better, because Allosaurus is not just your dinosaur, it's the people's dinosaur. An! d by doing such a thing, you are discrediting Allosaurus fans and Allosaurus alike. I would not be surprised if some Allosaurus fans spoke up against you.î

Da Masta has denounced the latest statements by Jane, claiming that they were written by somebody else posing as her. At press time, Janeís response was not available.

However, as Jane had said, some Allosaurus fans did show their disapproval of Da Mastaís way of promoting their dinosaur.

ìMasters, please stop rooting for Allosaurus.î Said Angry Allosaurus, an Allosaurus fan speaking out in the forum. ìYou're not an Allosaurus fan so please mind your own stuff. We Allosaurus fans are getting really dissed by the incompetent way you are presenting our dino. Please stop making the general public think that Allosaurus fans are unbalanced or irrational by refraining from rooting anymore for Allosaurus, you're making Allosaurus look weak and bad.î

Such a turn of events can were regarded as surprising, for Allosaurus fan support for Da Masta was expected to be positive, given the heavy bombardment they had been receiving from the Tyrannosaurus fans. However, as evident from the post by Angry Allosaurus, there has been some speculation that the Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus fans may actually put their differences aside and join in the war against Da Masta.

Despite showing signs of weakening and being on the defensive from all the heavy strikes from coalition forces, Da Masta showed no signs of being anywhere near giving up yet.

In an apparent move to show he was still defiant and ready to fight, Da Masta posted a message challenging Dinotalk veteran, Honkie Tong, to a renewed debate, denouncing the long timing Dinotalk regularís arguments as ìmost of it's b*llsh*t!î, and taunting him by daring Honkie Tong to argue with him ìHonkie Tong, do you still want to argue against me, and Dale?î. Da Masta has a long-standing hostility against Honkie Tong, but this was the first time since the Tyrannosaur fan-led strikes began that their rules have been enforced.

The recent move on Honkie Tong is seen as bizarre, as the veteran regular, who has fought many conflicts in the defense of Tyrannosaurus against aggressors, has been staying away from this conflict, and had not done anything in the way to aggravate Da Masta.

Honkie himself expressed surprised by the ìunwarranted and unprovokedî attack by Da Masta, but responded to the attack with a surprisingly peaceful and placid post, detailing and explaining his own point of view.

Other people however, are not so pleased.

Immediate outcry over Da Mastaís brandish ìhecklingî of Honkie Tong was loud and unified, denouncing Da Mastaís attack as ìa barbaric and vulgar attackî. Shows of disapproval over Da Mastaís post was apparent in all quarters, even with outsiders not involved and fans of many other dinosaurs speaking out strongly against him.

Da Masta however, defended himself by saying he was not attacking Honkie, but merely ìdebatingî with him. And that there was nothing wrong with the use of bad words in ZoomDinosaurs, an excellent educational webpage meant for children, for everybody has said a bad word at one point in his life. He has also, in a sudden reversal of opinion, said that most of what Honkie said was right. Though he made no attempt to retract his ìmost of it's b*llsh*t!î statement on Honkie, leading some to point out that there was a severe contradiction in terms of logic.

ìHow can a person be usually right, if you say that most of what he says is usually *badword*? It's crazy, it's a contradiction.ì Said Veloci. Mon, a Velociraptor fan who showed uncharacteristic and significant cooperation with the Tyrannosaurus fans in this conflict, despite a recent match between the species.

Da Masta, has appealed to people not to attack him for whatever mistakes he may have made, calling this attack of his unintended mistakes ìill-manneredî.

However, some people have appeared to be unmoved by Da Mastaís appeal, stating that somebody who ìjumps up when he thinks he spots somebody elseís mistakes, no matter how unintentionalî (In reference to Da Mastaís post to Honkie). Is a hippocrate to demand that. Gradinko, an person who appears to live both in America and Russia, was one of them.

ìAfter all, you (Da Masta) posted OLD info, and behaved in a really ill-mannered way to the Tong man based on it. People won't attack you for posting old info if you aren't rude and mean. But don't you find it annoying? Here's some dude coming with OLD info to attack me in such a rude way, and claiming that qoute "most of if is &*(%$#@" unqoute, and later expecting people not to be unkind to him when they tell him his info is wrong???î

There has been speculation the latest move on Honkie Tong is a sign of growing desperation on Da Mastaís side as the intensity of the strikes increase. However, he still shows that he is far from finished and is declaring that this ìswarmingî was wrong for people (the coalition) was not attacking him for his offensive stories, but rather because heís ìsupporting all dinosaursî

However, some of Da Mastaís few allies, Diloph, thinks otherwise:

ìAt least you got someone on your side Master and that's me. And it will pass people I think are swarming you cause of your stories.î Said Diloph, in an intercepted post.

Da Masta has appealed for more allies to join his cause. So far, an assortment of people have responded. There has been speculation that Da Masta may attempt a counterstrike to break the coalition. However, Da Masta still remains heavily outnumbered and perhaps with the possible looming threat of ìthe very dangerous when debatingî Honkie Tong joining the offensive after the unprovoked attack on him, things could get worse. But nothing remains clear in a three-day war whose situation is extremely fluid. We can only sit here and watch as the conflict plays itself out in all its surprisingly twists and turns. This is Ceratosaurus, reporting from Dinotalk, CNN.

*The writer is a big fan of all dinosaurs and conceived this project as practice for a real newsletter school assignment. The writer reports from a neutral point of view does not endorse the view of the Tyrannosaurus fans nor Da Masta.
from Cezonic News Network, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Alright, times up for you Rexer fans, T-Rex has been on the top for too long itís time he gets cut down to size. Da Masta, Iím with you, if they can swarm us, we can swarm them too. The Rexer fans are going to wish that their dinosaur was never the top in the first place. Honkie, you speak like you know a lot about dinosaurs, but you actually do not. Ha! Donít you know Albertosaurus legs were just as long and as strong as Tyrannosaurus?
from Johnny, age 13, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"No Veloci. Mon. I understood Honkie, but I still wished to stick to my point. And albertosaurus was 2.5 tons, not 5 tons."

If you understood what Honkie meant, then I don't see why you are debating with him, because there's nothing to debate about, given what Honkie said. What it seems is that you did not understand Honkie until after you insulted him and he cleared things up for you nicely.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Humans aren't deadly Honkie Tong. Abrams tanks aren't deadly either. Humans are puny. Except for their brains, and manipulative hands. But if you put an Abrams tank, and several people who have had military training together, you get something deadly.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


You are an impressive debater, Honkie Tong.
"After all, whoever started it was only showing the superiority of the human race through our innvoations."

No, they where proving that humans could defeat an allosaur. Now you could argue that nature gave man a large brain and flexible hands, so they can use tools against the allosaur, but I wouldn't term an Abram's tank as a tool. It took hundreds of years of technological advancement, and loads of people, directly and inderectly involved to make the tank.
An angry mob armed with crowbars is the best I'd give the humans if they where to prove themselves against an allosaur.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"If they like to cheer from the sidelines, who's to stop them?"

Yes, I bet don't want to stop them.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Oh yes, just another point to make:

"At first when I said I was gonna back you up I thought you would be one of those people who said "I don't need anybody to back me up!" but you were nice."

I'm not the person the swarmers try to make everyone (potential new swarmers) think I am.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


?Then, in that case, your first post is a contradiction from what you say, that he's usually right:?

He doesn?t only argue about that. You only argue that I am an idiot, Honkie Tong argues on a variety of dinosaurian topics.

?(notice you didn't recieve the treatment you gave out when you were wrong about T.rex being a carnosaur)?

What? are you talking about? You?ve never came up with your own dinosaur facts here your whole time, just saying ?Honkie?s right? ?you are wrong? ?apologise.? And I am a Rex fan Veloci. Mon. And an allo fan. In fact, I like all dinosaurs. Just the way you see everything is competitive, the allo fans, vs the rex fans, vs the raptor fans. I?m neutral. Who?s got a problem? I?m not attacking anyone, people are attacking me. You are attacking me. Come up with your own ideas.

Oh, and JC. I found the 1/2 missing posts I was talking about. Sorry.

loud mouthed (I am sociable. You are not. Come to terms with it.) or pompus (A word used by unintellectual people for smart, well educated people) or jumping into conclusions (what do you mean?)...and much less, using bad words. (Sorry. At least I?m not as aggressive as you, the way you like to see me.)

Veloci. Mon, I?m sick of your attacks. I have a suggestion. Come up with a debate topic of your own, to prove yourself independent of Honkie Tong. I never attacked anyone. Any NICE visitor from the side will notice that.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Who here thinks dilophosaurus could hunt lufengosaurus, a 20 foot prosauropod? With a bite to the neck, and then the dilo moves away, it could probably. And JC, I think if you post loads of posts about 1/2 don't get through. Because there's so many. Because there's loads I can't see. I'll just send a few big posts then.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Gradinko still didn't show us that he knows anything. For me, at the moment, he knows nothing about dinosaurs. He never proved it. He came here and just ill - manneredly attack me.
from masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Cool, since we are all talking tanks, I'll draw up a story: It's really like saying the M1A2 Abrams is superior to the T-72 and bragging about it. Though it may sound recklessly offensive and complacent, if the M1A2 guys bring out stats and figures to prove it, what have we to say to them except "Please don't rub it in". Which is what the rex fans have done here. We can ask them not to rub the fact that their dinosaur is superior into the faces of the Allosaurus fans, but to demand affirmitive action to reconize Allosaurus as an equal demanding equal respect on less abilities, it's not really regarding the truth. Remember, it is a meritocracy, not a communist system of promoting dinosaurs here after all."

I thought this neede posting again as it is so correct. But allosauruses where the tigers of the time!

THIS ENDS THE ALLOSAURUS VS TYRANNOSAURUS "DEBATE" AGREED BY GIANNA, DA MASTA, T - MASTER, BRAD, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Ok. Dilo can be killed by a rex, thats fine but it was still deadly!!!
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"

You impress me highly. Some dino fans will argue against ridiculous odds, like for instance, a dim or just plain stubborn compy fan might say: compsognathus can kill T - Rex. (Of course dilophosaurus is much bigger and feircer, but that was an extreme example.) But you know where your favourite dinosaur's limit is. Yes, dilophosaurus was deadly.

"I dont get this site
from Danielle T., age 12, hamden, ohio, USA; November 29, 2001"

Why not? New members are certainly welcome! Don't be put off by those repulsive bullies who keep attacking me. Most of the time we talk about dinosaurs.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"I had a weird dream last night.
I dreamed that me, my family, and a troop of paleontologists went into a place like Jurassic Park. One of the strangest things is that a couple of the paleos came running to us and yelling an Allosaurus was on our trail but the Allosaurus never came! And we thought it would come. I had lost my sweater and went to fetch it. It seemed as though I valued my sweater more than my life. *No rude comments from rex fans please, I know you lot*
The strangest!!!!! *yes*
from gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"

One question, do you beleive that dreams are kinda like messages? Into the future or something? Not directly, but like, everything that happens in the dream means something different happens in real life?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"I thought you would be one of those people who said "I don't need anybody to back me up!"

In a situation like mine, getting swarmed by nightmare invaders...

But you will find that being nice to me means that I am nice back.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Changing your name from master to T-master?
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001"

A breif history of this site's masters. There was (and is!) a guy called trivia master, and a while later, I, da masta, came along. Trivia master obviously prefered typing messages to typing long names every time he wanted to post, so he changed to T - master, and remains so till the present day. He gives the damn best trivia!
Da masta, (that's me!) changed his name to "Master" breifly, but Gianna said she preffered "da masta." I didn't really mind, so I changed back to da masta again! The name was popular, there where many copiers, and evil imposters.
eg. da masta gold, cheese master, da masta over masta and da "real" masta. But only two are with us now, that's me (da masta) and T - master. But Diloph told you already. Pardon me, I just like typing messages.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"Man! everybodys going on about the T Rex v Allosaurus thing.
Stop being so mean to da masta. I agree with most of the stuff he says.
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, Somewhere about 2000 kms from Antartica; November 29, 2001"

It's my tradition to try to reply to all relevant posts. Thank you Tom.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Average albertosaur size: 8m

Average tyrannoasur size: 12m

Weight is not important, you say, because they are never in suspension when they walk, their feet always touch the ground.
albertosaur: 2.5 tons
tyrannosaur: 5 tons
But that's not important. Because of the above point. Gggrrrr I'd swear here, but this IS kids site as you pointed out Honkie. You've just blasted my main point! And I don't want to hear from the mean rex fans, rubbing it in like they do best, leaving the talented arguing to Honkie. So, in proportion to body size, albertosaurus was roughly the same speed as tyrannosaurus. But in the real world, the rex is faster. Gggrrr I'm suppressing a very childish tantrum... but I guess losing to Honkie isn't as bad as losing to them nasty mean poeple who attack me for the fun of it.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"But it dosen't take a good tank to kill any dinosaur, even a WW2 Sherman could take on any dinosaur and win quite easily."

Hmm, I doubt that. A relatively intelligent and agile and fast allosaur, or tyrannosaur, or gallimimus, *insert about 50 genera here*, or hypsilophodont could easily dodge the shells etc, and get away without too much problem. Since I'm going to do other things now, you wouldn't mind taking a quick peak at a WW2 website to find out stuff about Sherman tanks? If you don't find something, I'll try. It'll provide important data for the argument.

Yes, you would remember me saying that humans are the most deadly biological force on the planet? A laser guided or radio controlled or whatever missile, against a dinosaur? Jeez! Yes, infantrymen have their - what does the U.S. army currently use? Some kinda' machine gun? Assault rifle? You're putting flying steel going, like 0.0003 meters a second, say about a round a second, versus an organic living, breathing creature, with nothing but what mother nature gave it? You're better than that Honkie. On their own, one hundred naked people couldn't anything against an allosaur. We need tools. Highly complex tools. To defeat an allosaur.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


"now let's see if you still dare to argue with me"

You inserted a few handy words there didn't you Honkie? Quite unlike you I must add. Alright, sorry about the swearing if it has such an effect you. Looks like I still do have a lot to learn about this place...

And I didn't really mean to attack you. I just enjoy winning arguments. At least I don't rub it in.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


I'm afraid it is I that posted the post you said that must not have been posted by me. I'm sorry if I didn't live up to your expectations, but I'm only speaking what I observe, whic is, you are in the wrong.
from Jane M., age ?, Baddeck, ?, Canada; November 30, 2001


Re: Dilophosaurus vs. Lufengosaurus

While I should be happy to discuss something prosauropod-related (prosauropods are my favourite dinosaurs), I've decided to take a break from Dinotalk until the fighting dies down again. Why does it matter that Lufengosaurus is a large prosauropod, when Dilophosaurus is a large theropod? I'll think about it....
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 29, 2001


Why is Alectrosaurus called "unmarried lizard?" It's been bugging me for a few minutes now. I just thought someone might know. Tim M or Honkie Tong, or Brad.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Da Masta, though I don't think you being swarmed is right, you should apologise to Honkie for your )(*$@@@@ comment. He isn't you emeny and you certainly wronged him in this case by saying most of what he says is (*&^@@@@.
from Plateoheads are cool, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 30, 2001


Strange. Looks like my trivia didn't get through. I pressed "send" and then "go back to the dinosaur forum" with the yellow screen. Anybody actually WANT trivia?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001
I posted everything I got in the mail - please send it again. JC


I don't think it'll be a problem for people to defeat Allosaurus. Firstly, Allosaurus was a rather weak dinosaur, by Tyrannosaur standards, and secondly, we humans managed to kill wolly mammoths and rive extinct many gigantic mean animal species like saber toothed cats, dire wolfs and so on and so forth. Even before we had guns or knew how to make metal. Allosaurus, spaced out by 125 million years, hardly stands a chance. What is the most dangerous hunter on earth anyway? Man after all, even before he had guns.
from Compies are cool., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Poor whimpy Allosaurus, all he has is a little mad mad standing up for him. Common, compies could beat Allosaurus.
from Compies rule, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


I didn't write Old Blood, I only wrote two chapters when Bill was away.

"Gradniko, or whatever you're called, it's called debating. At least I'm talking about DINOSAURS with Honkie Tong. If you have a problem, then leave this forum. I was arguing with Honkie Tong about Albertosaurus' speed. You are ATTACKING me telling me that I should be barred from this site, in a fully - fledged and unprovoked attack. What did I ever do to you? Learn how this forum works before posting messages on it."

I don't know about Grandiko, but your recent Albertosaurus post seemed more of an attack to me then an argument. After all, I don't think "(most of it is b******)" and "now let's see if you still dare to argue with me!!!". It's a really strange way of regarding people if you were "agruing".

"OK, I swore once, but what's wrong with it? Don't tell me you never swear! OK, swearing all the time is ill - mannered, I would agree with that, but I would be impressed if you could find 3 posts by me, all of which include swearing."

Actually swearing is utterly repulsive here, for this is a kid's website after all. Swearing cannot be tolerated here, not even once. It's a babaric way of talking in such a website. If you use bad language, don't bring it here. No doubt about it, such behaviour is wrong and will not be condoned.

"Tanks? So, we need TANKS to defeat allosaurus? That's hurting your case. You need a very good tank to defeat an allosaurus. Yes. I agree. You also need a very good tank to defeat a T - Rex."

I don't see any logical problems with it. After all, whoever started it was only showing the superiority of the human race through our innvoations. I think a bunch of infantrymen could do it to. But it dosen't take a good tank to kill any dinosaur, even a WW2 Sherman could take on any dinosaur and win quite easily. An Abrams is overkill, but it's cool. Humans are just too deadily.

"But Honkie Tong, albertosaurus and tyrannosaurus had similar limb length and strength, (hey, that rhymes!) I think Albertosaurus would have been at least the same speed of tyrannosaurus. You know, I think we should stop this argument."

Erm, being smaller, you'd expect Albertosaurus to have shorter limbs and correspondingly weaker legs because of simple proportions (Albertosaurus was extremely similar to Tyrannosaurus) So a 9-meter Albertosaurus would have 13 times 9/12 feet of limb, with 9/12 of the strength via simple maths. The thing is, as I said so many times, the real big difference in Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurus is all in the size. The relationship in speed is not entirely simple. Being smaller and lighter allows you to go faster, but also means that you'll have to take more steps to move the same distance then a larger animal that has longer legs. So, if both of them moved with the same step frequency, Tyrannosaurus will certainly outrun (more like outwalk, for big Tyrannosaurs don't can't run in suspension) Albertosaurus by a factor of one third. Albertosaurus could make up for that by increasing his step frequency by one third, but as I've stated, given his inability to go in suspension, this is much harder to do. (Going into suspension allowes us to increase out stride frequency drastically) So as you can see, the relationship for speed in very large animals is hardly as simple as smaller animals will move faster. We have always assumed that large Tyrannosaurids like Albertosaurus and Tyrannosaurus could both move in suspension, in which Albertosaurus would be clearly more speed-advantaged due to his smaller size (hence the over-simplistic assumptions that Albertosaurus must have been faster because it was smaller) But now, having biomechnical guys tell us this is not really feasible or possible, it drastically changes how we precieve their speeds, for the fastest animals in non suspension are the largest ones with the longest legs. And erm, a 9-meter Tyrannosaurus rex would weight 3 tons too! The proportions are exactly the same, for weight is cubed, not squared for a decrease in size. It appears you are assuming that Albertosaurus must have been faster because it had equally long limbs that were just as strong (which meant that a 9-meter Albertosaur would have the same legs of a 12-meter Tyrannosaurus). Where did you get that, the offical measurements of Albertosaurus limb lengths do not show anything unusual departing from normal Tyrannosaurid proportions. And they don't appear to harbour any more pontential then the normal Tyrannosaurid muscle mass in the limbs too. I don't see how they can be equally as long or strong.

"Honkie Tong always had fans to back him up."

Hmph, the more irrational rex fans who appear to be supporting me do not have my santion, but I can't control who they support. If they like to cheer from the sidelines, who's to stop them?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Man! everybodys going on about the T Rex v Allosaurus thing.
Stop being so mean to da masta. I agree with most of the stuff he says.

from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, Somewhere about 2000 kms from Antartica; November 29, 2001


Well I'm back and I've got lots of catching up to do
from Tom G, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Donovan C. Master is changing back to da masta(sounds like a cool name)t-master is just t-master. And I heard you were being ignored but I'll talk to you if you want me to.

DILOPHOSAURUS AND TRICERATOPS RULE
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Thanks for the Ceres thing JC. I knew it was over 500 ft. in diameter but I wnated to get a more precise estimate.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001
You're welcome. JC


"Tim, It's Jurassic"
Yes, I know. Just a human error.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


I don't like Stegosaurus anymore! I like Triceratops! It RULES. But not like Dilophosaurus.

DILOPHOSAURUS AND TRICERATOPS RULE!!

Please stop swarming da masta, I think he gets it now. Change to a different subject like Mega raptor vs. Dienonichus.

*da masta:
At first when I said I was gonna back you up I thought you would be one of those people who said "I don't need anybody to back me up!" but you were nice.

from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Changing your name from master to T-master?
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; November 29, 2001


I had a weird dream last night.
I dreamed that me, my family, and a troop of paleontologists went into a place like Jurassic Park. One of the strangest things is that a couple of the paleos came running to us and yelling an Allosaurus was on our trail but the Allosaurus never came! And we thought it would come. I had lost my sweater and went to fetch it. It seemed as though I valued my sweater more than my life.
The strangest!!!!!

from gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Ok. Dilo can be killed by a rex, thats fine but it was still deadly!!!
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


I dont get this site
from Danielle T., age 12, hamden, ohio, USA; November 29, 2001


"After all compairing a 6 ton Tyrannosaurus to a 5 ton Albertosaurus is hardly fair."

No Veloci. Mon. I understood Honkie, but I still wished to stick to my point. And albertosaurus was 2.5 tons, not 5 tons.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


[loud sigh]

Ah, if more people where like diloph, and T - Master, and Plateoheads are cool...
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Thank you, Diloph. You make a pleasant change from the angry allo and rex fans, and the strange people like Gradneko who don't come here to talk about dinosaurs but to attack people.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Gradniko, or whatever you're called, it's called debating. At least I'm talking about DINOSAURS with Honkie Tong. If you have a problem, then leave this forum. I was arguing with Honkie Tong about Albertosaurus' speed. You are ATTACKING me telling me that I should be barred from this site, in a fully - fledged and unprovoked attack. What did I ever do to you? Learn how this forum works before posting messages on it.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"this forum is becoming less intresting every day. People are just typing dumb posts about dinos they don't like. It's ok to not like a dino, but calling it super pathetic is just wierd to me. I mean, what if you saw a real dinosaur, I wouldn't think it was so pathetic. I would think it would be awsome, no matter what it was.

Other posts are just saying just saying how annoying master's wcw things are.

There is just not enough dino talk in it.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001

I was here just reading posts, for the last couple of days, but I've been tired and sick and couldn't think of anything to post.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001"

Poor T - Master. Post some trivia. To take my mind off all this swarming. I agree. This is a "DINOtalk forum," not a "Let's all abuse da masta" forum. Talk about dinosaurs, like your meant to, if you want to insult people, go somewhere else, not here. Insulting people aren't welcome here. Maybe I'm annoying, but at least I'm normally nice.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


this forum is becoming less intresting every day. People are just typing dumb posts about dinos they don't like. It's ok to not like a dino, but calling it super pathetic is just wierd to me. I mean, what if you saw a real dinosaur, I wouldn't think it was so pathetic. I would think it would be awsome, no matter what it was.

Other posts are just saying just saying how annoying master's wcw things are.

There is just not enough dino talk in it.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


I was here just reading posts, for the last couple of days, but I've been tired and sick and couldn't think of anything to post.
from T-master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Yes, my info is sometimes a bit old and out of date. I find that attacking me for it is quite ill - mannered."

I don't think you really should be saying that. After all, you posted OLD info, and behaved in a really ill-mannered way to the Tong man based on it. People won't attack you for posting old info if you aren't rude and mean. But don't you find it annoying? Here's some dude coming with OLD info to attack me in such a rude way, and claiming that qoute "most of if is &*(%$#@" unqoute, and later expecting people not to be unkind to him when they tell him his info is wrong??? I dunno, but if I was Honkie, I would have grated on the fact that you were on old info, rather then explain things to you nicely. In this case, for any attacks you are getting due to this, I'm afraid you are really in no position to bargain who's being ill-mannered or not. You certainly deserved more then the rough reminder you got that your info was old (heck, for such heckling, you should have been barred from this webpage till you have learnt manners) I'm pretty amazed Mr. Tong didn't expose you right away, nor attack you back by claiming most of what you say is old. Rather, he gave you a rather good and detailed post in return for YOUR benefit, not his to understand the matter better (which you have horribly misunderstood here). And now you are unhappy with the fact that others, irrate by your discusting behaviour towards a foreigner here, attack you in return? I'm sorry, have you looked in a mirror recently?
from Gradinko, age ?, Moscow (actually it's Cheyenne, West Russia, Mother Russia (actually USA); November 29, 2001


At least you got someone on your side Master and that's me. And it will pass people I think are swarming you cause of your stories.

Hey Rex fans, don't swarm Master. Just cause you don't like Allosaurus don't mean that other people can't!! I dunno about Spino fans cause they are not here.

DILOPHOSAURUS AND STEGOSAURUS RULE
from Diloph, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


To be honest, I think the REAL Jane M only posted two posts. A very long one, and immediately after, a very short one. If I am wrong, then you are a very different person to what I thought you where Jane.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Rex fans, who think allosaurus is an inferior dinosaur"

*Scratches head*
All it seems to me are that the rex fans are saying that Tyrannosaurus is superior in very pratical terms, like in raw abilities as a killer. In that case, isn't it completely justified to consider Allosaurus an inferior dinosaur in that aspect? It does not sound politically correct but its true. It may sound a little offensive (I was a little miffled when I first read their why Allosaurus was inferior posts) but in the end, if what they are saying is true, no matter how offensively they may put it. It still is.

Cool, since we are all talking tanks, I'll draw up a story: It's really like saying the M1A2 Abrams is superior to the T-72 and bragging about it. Though it may sound recklessly offensive and complacent, if the M1A2 guys bring out stats and figures to prove it, what have we to say to them except "Please don't rub it in". Which is what the rex fans have done here. We can ask them not to rub the fact that their dinosaur is superior into the faces of the Allosaurus fans, but to demand affirmitive action to reconize Allosaurus as an equal demanding equal respect on less abilities, it's not really regarding the truth. Remember, it is a meritocracy, not a communist system of promoting dinosaurs here after all.

It's good to be a Triceratops fan, nobody ever disturbs you much, and Triceratops was the kind herbivore too!
from Plateoheads are cool, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Clarify. So you disagree that Albertosaurus was faster than T - Rex? Fine. That's your opinion. But if you find albertosaurus in any good dino encyclopedia, it should back me up. All of mine do anyway, and I'd say I have some of the best in Britain."

Sure, my point is. You have misunderstood Honkie when he said that Albertosaurus was in no way more gracile or cursorial then Tyrannosaurus. He wasn't stating that Tyrannosaurus MUST be faster, just that the two animals were equally as adapted for speed. So your understanding of speed (speed Masters sensu) is simple raw speed figures (hence 15mph) irregardless of size, Honkie's understanding of speed (speed Honkie sensu) is a great deal more complex and meaningful, pointing out that in terms of pound for pound, Tyrannosaurus was every bit as mobile. After all compairing a 6 ton Tyrannosaurus to a 5 ton Albertosaurus is hardly fair. Honkie's understanding of speed is more clinical, saying that a 5 ton Tyrannosaurus would be equally as fast. Which is more meaningful, science-wise. Unless a 5-ton Albertosaurus had an edge in speed a 5-ton Tyrannosaurus, your measure would be meaningful, in Honkie's terms. Like the way a Cheetah would still outrun a lion of the same size and weight. But as Honkie argues, this is not the case. Remember that the science guys say that Albertosaurus was probably faster because it was smaller. Dale Russell later clarified it in terms of Honkie's understanding of true speed measurement. So was Honkie wrong? No, niether were you, but the only thing that went wrong that you failed to understand Honkie's understanding of more labatory speed measurement. It's something known in science as a fair test.

However what I do observe here is while Master's simply reads the books and accepts the statements piecemeal, Honkie actually thinks about what he reads, thus the two differing understanding of "cursorialness". In my personal opinion, I prefer Honkie's version for it takes into account more complex factors.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"I'll show everyone, without being an expert in animal physiology at
all, why T-Rex is fast.Scientists say it's stride reaches from 14 to 18 feet.
So roughly, T-rex's average stride length is 16 feet
Let's make a "very" conservative estimate. Let's say T-Rex just makes a
single stride per second.16 feet/secondequals= 4.87 m/sec.= 292.6m/min.
= 17,556m/hr.= 17.556km/hr.
See that? T-Rex already exceeds 17 kilometers per hour in a very
conservative estimate, which means it can exceed that speed without getting
agitated at all. Imagine its speed if it were to chase its prey.
HAHA! Mathematical conversions alone will humiliate all you T-Rex
hating people here.Take that Jason. 17 km/hr by virtue of walking.
And you even have the guts to say that you have a belief of your own
and don't believe in that Horner c)(*? Who the hell are you kidding? The
truth is, you just want to get an attention in this forum by making
hate statements at T-Rex, much like what Horner is doing. He gets the
media attention by distorting facts.

And to KC, leg structure of Carosaurs won't make them anywhere faster than Tyrannosaurids.

Why don't you and Jason here start your own anti-Trex club, leave this forum
from Guile, age ?, ?, ?, ?; September 20, 2001"

Nobody swarmed this guy. He was fan of T- Rex and nothing else. Nobody dared mess with him, because the Rex fans where with him. This just proves my point.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Rex fans don't like me because I stand up for allosaurus."

I don't think so. The general preception I get from observing the proceedings is not because you are standing up for allosaurus, but its because you are more of a public nusiance. I've seen people who promote Allosaurus very agressively before (even more then you). But they were tolerated because they weren't loud mouthed or pompus or jumping into conclusions...and much less, using bad words.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"STOP TALKING ABOUT T-REX BEATING ALLOSAURUS! We already solved that don't bring it back!"

I just thought that this needed posting again.

And Honkie, the Horner in your old blood. What a sheer coincidence. They just happen to be exactly the same, yet different people. Interesting. That rarely happens in real life. And although I must admit it is a good read, it is highly similar to jurassic park. Many characters are like they where in the JP novel, just they had their nationalities and names changed. Scenes from jurassic park, just the details are changed. Excellent use of the English language, but I think it would be even better if you use more of your imagination (which you have no shortage of) than Michael Chrichton's.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"My albertosaur thing I thought was a refreshing change from the T - Rex vs Allosaurus argument, which I think should stop now, I don't know about you but I've had enough. I was just saying that Honkie Tong is ready to argue his case even if he is wrong, (I'm not saying he's always wrong, he's usually right,) and I thought that it SHOULD be acknowledged that albertosaurus is faster. It is a completely different argument, it had nothing to do with my other "allosaurus is not weak" case, it was not meant to help it. I thought that it was obvious."

Then, in that case, your first post is a contradiction from what you say, that he's usually right:

"(yes I know most of it's b*llsh*t!)"

How can a person be usually right, if you say that most of what he says is usually *badword*? It's crazy, it's a contradiction. And Honkie has been nice to you. He's not like an irrational dinosaur fan that simply insults and screams, rather, he debates his views in a clear, rational and scientific way rather then engage in an immature flame war of posting personal insults, even when people are insulting him. I don't think he deserves the "badword" term you used on his views. You should apologize to him if you are sincere about what you just said. It dosen't matter if he's wrong or right in the case, this is paleontology after all (things change). And I don't support the jumping up of and attacking of people when they are wrong (notice you didn't recieve the treatment you gave out when you were wrong about T.rex being a carnosaur). I think you have really done a great injustice to him, so if you are really sincere, apologize about the *badword* remark and take back what you said.

Besides, I don't think what he said was wrong. He all he said was that Albertosaurus was in no way MORE adapted for speed then Tyrannosaurus, which is consistent with Tyrannosaurid morphlogy. If Albertosaurus was faster then Tyrannosaurus because it was smaller and lighter, it's just a matter of size. As Honkie said, a Tyrannosaurus the size of an Albertosaurus would move just as fast, which is absolutely correct. You have just misintrepreted his post, and attacked him quite viciously because of that. So it's quite hard to tag that Albertosaurus was faster then Tyrannosaurus, as some really small Tyrannosaurus rex animals (like Tinker) would have been faster then larger Albertosaurus. So in fact, there is no clear speed distinction between the two species. Honkie's statement of lion/tiger was pretty good. A lion is not any more adapted for speed then a tiger, which is true. But due to the tigers' general larger size, it does not move as fast. But do small tiger individuals run as fast as a lion of similar size? Certainly. That's what Honkie was saying. He's remarking, rather then passing conclusions on the points you failed to consider when passing your Albertosaurus speed estimate. Such an attack on him because of that is really in poor taste. I'm not a rex fan so I'm not dissed about your standing up for Allosaurus. But I'm dissed by your treatment of Honkie, who had done absolutely nothing wrong. I think it's right that you apologize to him.

Erm, Honkie, did I understand your post well.

Besides, I doubt Albertosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus is going to do anything to hurt the rex fans case. Because it seems to me they are promoting the Tyrannosaurids in general as the ultimate predator, and are using T.rex because he's the best and most obvious example of the "ultimateness" of Tyrannosaurids they have. (If you want to show how cool the raptors were, we instantly talk about Utahraptor or Megaraptor) So by showing how good Albertosaurus was, aren't you just helping the rex fans strengthen their case? I'm not taking sides, but it really looks that way to me.
from Veloci. Mon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"If anyone tries to swarm me, with no good reason, not backed up by facts, I will not bother to read their messages."

So much for that comment. I admit I spend a lot of time here. But what's wrong with that? As Tim M once said, it's not illegal. And I'm sociable. Certain people seem to have a problem with that.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


T. Horridus, I am not American.
OK, I swore once, but what's wrong with it? Don't tell me you never swear! OK, swearing all the time is ill - mannered, I would agree with that, but I would be impressed if you could find 3 posts by me, all of which include swearing.

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Hey, I've just read the whole of net impact! And it sure is damn good! When's 10 coming out?
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Allosaurus had 25cm claws, immense jaws, with long curved fangs, although they where weaker than tyrannosaurus' (and I'm going to be told by an allo fan that this is a poorly thought out post just because I said this,) and allosaurs have been found in more places than tyrannosaurs, they where more widespread. So I don't see how people can say that allosaurus is wimpy. Stegosaurus was about as dangerous as triceratops, in my opinion. Also, people remember that in the ballad of big al the allosaurs picked on a weak apatosaur. Tyrannosaurs would have picked out weaker animals too. Take lions. They, hunt, but they scavenge too. They go for weak or injured animals. Tyrannosaurs would not have risked serious injury, however tought they may be. They would have gone for weaker, younger, sick or old individuals, and would have scavenged too, whenever they could. I'm gonna stick up for allosaurus, whether the fans like it or not. Insulting allosaurus is an in! sult to a great predator. I can't let Rex fans do this.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Well, I had a look and albertosaurus sarcophagus was on average 2500 kilos. Your average T rex was 5000 kilos. About the same limb length, T - Rex a little longer, same limb strength, but albertosaurus was two times lighter. And quite a bit faster. Yes, Alectrosaurus would probably be the cheetah of the cretacious world, but albertosaurus was faster than T - Rex is my point. You know Honkie, people tell me to be like you. And most of them are nothing like you themselves.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Tanks? So, we need TANKS to defeat allosaurus? That's hurting your case. You need a very good tank to defeat an allosaurus. Yes. I agree. You also need a very good tank to defeat a T - Rex.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"You're not an Allosaurus fan"

Really??? I didn't know that it was your decision!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Gianna, I don't consider you or Tim M HARDCORE rex fans. And I didn't see the post where T - Master said he went to camp. I will still argue for allosaurus despite overwhelming odds, angry rex fans and ungratefull allo fans. I could do with a little help. I understand that it's unpleasant, but it's hard doing this all alone. With only a few people to back you up.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Brad? I was wondering if dilos could hunt lufengosaurus, because it was a LARGE prosauropod.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


But Honkie Tong, albertosaurus and tyrannosaurus had similar limb length and strength, (hey, that rhymes!) I think Albertosaurus would have been at least the same speed of tyrannosaurus. You know, I think we should stop this argument.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Master's blind rage"

What? I wasn't in a rage! And I wasn't attacking you! I was arguing against you!
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


OK. So people are saying that the short matches should stop. Then they will. Fine. I think I'll have a vote. I'm lazy, as I said. Writing WCW dinosaurs takes time and effort. So, if you want to see it, say so. If you don't care, say so. If you really don't want it to come out, say so.
Yes: 1 point
No: -1 point
Don't care: 0 points
If people vote against it, and it gets 1 or more, it will come on.
If no - one votes against it, and it gets 3 or more, it will also come on. On the dino fiction page. Vote starts now!

from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Emar, Imagine it with the muscles and skin on, running toward you. And no, you don't have a machine gun, or an Abrams tank.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


I never dissed anyone who didn't diss me first. If you are nice to me you can find me to be very nice to. Swarming me is a waste of time. It does nothing to help you.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Saying this really hurts me because, unlike the rest of these bullies you actually stood up for me.

But I do think T - Rex could defeat a dilophosaurus. During the early jurassic, when it lived, it was probably the dominant predator, though.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"during the early Cretaceous."

Tim, it's jurassic.

I'm lazy, as I said. I still think it is considered a ceratosaur. Check yourself, if you want to.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Mi too, I don't really care about his stories, they're pretty lame. After all, you can't debate with people using fiction, that's not science, that's propangada. These stories are not really helping people see our Allosaurus in a better light. Even if you write stories about 1 Allosaurus killing 1,000 T.Rexes, I doubt it' help. After all, these stories are as real as... Jurassic Park 3."

They where never meant to be real. Dino Warz is unreal, but I still like it.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"I don't really care about Master's stories. *can't everyone be like that? Like 'em, or don't read 'em.*

I want the name da masta back because I like it better than master"

Fine.
from da masta, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Masters, you are not only an annoyance to the rex fans you know. Even other dino fans are annoyed with you. Why? Though the rex fans may be annoying, at least they know what they are talking about. For you, it's just rubbish, after rubbish, after rubbish. And the way you talk as if with your rubbish you're an autority over matters mankes it all the more annoying. Why do you think even Apatosaur fans would wack you?

It's all your fault."

You are very wrong. Rex fans don't like me because I stand up for allosaurus. Allosaurus fans don't like me because I stand up for T - Rex. Spinosaurus fans hate me because I Stand up for T - Rex and allosaurus. Other people just join in for the fun of clattering someone. Like when the "boffin" gets abused by a gang in the classromm, others join in for the thrill of the kill. Without a vicious swarm to back me up, I am an easy target. Honkie Tong always had fans to back him up. Rex fans, who think allosaurus is an inferior dinosaur have a swarm to back them. Allosaurus fans, who hate T - Rex, have a swarm to back them. But because I like all dinosaurs, I get picked on. And it does nothing to help you or your case. This is all very sad.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"At first I though Da Master would be our big hope in getting back at the rex fans. But now, that hope's gone and replaced with irritation at his massive flooding of the pages and annoying, attention seeking, poorly thought-out posts. When will somebody of even some quality come along at root for Allosaurus?"

I really don't see how swarming me will do you any good. You are wasting your time, taking out your anger on a likely punch bag. Like I care. You're not getting anywhere swarming me. Try arguing your case sensibly, backed up with scientific fact. Perhaps I don't always do that, sorry, but when you swarm me like that you behave like I did, immaturely and irresponsibly. Now, who wants to debate maturely and responsibly without swarming me?
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


T. Horridus, I never said "obey me now I am always right." What is it about me that you do not like? I still don't get it. Yes, my info is sometimes a bit old and out of date. I find that attacking me for it is quite ill - mannered. Albertosaurus had leg muscles about as strong as T - Rex. I stick to my case. I'll surf a little and see if I can find anything to back me up.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


My albertosaur thing I thought was a refreshing change from the T - Rex vs Allosaurus argument, which I think should stop now, I don't know about you but I've had enough. I was just saying that Honkie Tong is ready to argue his case even if he is wrong, (I'm not saying he's always wrong, he's usually right,) and I thought that it SHOULD be acknowledged that albertosaurus is faster. It is a completely different argument, it had nothing to do with my other "allosaurus is not weak" case, it was not meant to help it. I thought that it was obvious.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


Jane Masters doesn't like it either. Oh well. What is the argument then, anyway? That allosaurus wasn't weak and decrepid? I don't think I have to say anything, because I think the answer is obvious. Allosaurs where the tyrannosaurs of their time, even though they wheren't as successful. Just take a close look at an allo skeleton! T - Rex is just as likely to fall and hurt his toe as allosaurus! Being the great T - Rex doesn't mean he is God. People are attacking allosaurus just because of that stupid "the ballad of big al" thing on TV. T - Rex could have fallen like that too, but because of his immune system it wouldn't go septic. Tyrannosaurs would have hunted dangerous animals, but not stupidly. It was a clever animal, and knew it couldn't just walk up to a trike and kill it. Allosaurus did not attack the stegosaur, because it was dangerous. A tyrannosaur would not try to attack a trike that is displaying it's frill at him aggressively. It would have carefully ambushed, then closed in very quikly with it's strong, gracile legs and kill the trike with one bite behind the frill. An allo could kill a stegosaur like that. It makes no sense to a tyrannosaur to blatantly just kill everything, and get wounded, it would have carefully shadowed herds in my opinion. Given enough wounds, the tyrannosaur would die. It could take a lot, but not indefinitely. Any questions, don't understand something I said, tell me. And those stories, if you don't like 'em, don't read 'em!
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Da Masta, please stop your stories here, nobody really wants to read them. If you may, please post them to dinofiction. Because it's really an eyesore here."

I never wanted to put it on dinofiction on purpose. It could get all muddled up with real stuff when it comes, God knows when. And I don't understand how 1 person speaks out for everyone, without knowing everyone's opinions.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


So, you don't like it Leonard? Nobody is forcing you to read it. I was just quite upset when people started saying allosaurus could die of a papercut. And that wasn't a real dino WCW match. It was a hastily written defence of allosaurus. And I don't understand how it can hurt my case.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Anyways, what do nomena nuda have to do with dinosaurs? Any organism could be a nomen nudum."

Yes, and that INCLUDES dinosaurs.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


"Being a Velociraptor fan, I really hate to say this given the latest T.rex vs. Velociraptor battle, but what Honkie Tong says makes a lot more sense then Master."

Clarify. So you disagree that Albertosaurus was faster than T - Rex? Fine. That's your opinion. But if you find albertosaurus in any good dino encyclopedia, it should back me up. All of mine do anyway, and I'd say I have some of the best in Britain.
from Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 29, 2001


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