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Dino Talk: A Dinosaur Forum

Wow, Brad, your story is excellent! It surprised me at the, can't wait to see where it's going.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

I bet your wondering why Velociraptor died. You'll find out in Chaptor 3 The Megaraptor Saga.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

Cool story, Honkie Tong! That is so true!
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 9, 2000

Honkie, you are good enough now!!! I'd be proud to host some of your images!
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

Hey Brad it's me Afton I talked to you over the summer I found out that some dino fans are'nt talking anymore and guess what my uncle said that he used to dig up dinosaur bones NO KIDDING well gotta go See Ya!
from Afton L., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

Honkie Tong , I am proud you liked Dino-show-us.I'm thinking of a sequal to it.Would you like that?I almost frogot!And tell Billy Macdraw to start a new seson of Dino Warz.
from Reuben B., age 7, Nedham, MA, USA; November 9, 2000

Wow Chandler yer pictures are good. I hope I can oneday draw well enuf to add to your webpage.
from Honkie Tong, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

I guess my picture was way too big to post, it was over 2.5mb. Anyway, Billy, if you are still in your country, I am abput to post one chapter for you.
from Honkie Tong,

Honkie Tong comic
age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000
Next time, make it smaller! I had to reduce it and change the format to make it smaller (bmps are huge - jpegs are more efficient). JC

I don't like the hands on my Velociraptor...hehe :)
When I redid my art gallery to include some other artists I took off some of my older and more obsolete drawings. I think I still have the Carnotaurus and Thescelosaurus images...somewhere, they just aren't put up.

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

I like your Velociraptor, Chandler. What's wrong with it? I noticed that while your site was under construction, a lot of images were deleted... what ever happened to the shocking feathery Thescelosaurus? You should post that one here. Didn't you have a Carnotaurus at one point too?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 9, 2000

i LiKe DiNoSaUrS. ThEy ArE cOoL.
from dork e, age 1, ?, ?, China; November 9, 2000

dinosaurs are cool. I like them
from ?, age 22, ?, ?, china; November 9, 2000

AHHHHHHHHH I GOT KILLED!....I LIKE IT. Cool one Ruben, keep it up. This is Honkie clone 45
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 9, 2000

The prologue of my dinofiction will be appearing on the Dinofiction page. I'm trying to write something very different, it might not make sense at first. I hope you all enjoy it anyway, I've got big plans for my story!
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 8, 2000

If you're still looking for pictures, you can post any of mine... Click on "art gallery", then my name :) I have a velociraptor (warning:badly done!) and lots and lots of Cryolophosaurus on there...and some others, I really forgot how many hehe
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2000

Hey, JC, did you get the pictures I drew?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2000


Hi everyone, I don't like taking up postings unnecesarilly, but I'm just writing to say that I probably won't be posting for a time because of my schedule is so busy and I can't manage discussions on the many boards I like to hang out at. But I did enjoy the discussion I had here on Nanotyrannus, and I hope others did, too. I post sporadically at some slower paced dinosaur boards, so I'm not disappearing from the dinosaur scene altogether, and will try and check back here now and then. Good luck to all on your research, stories, and pictures!
from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 8, 2000

my theory on the dnosaurs extinction was that the ultra-violet lights
were at there brightist moment and the dinosuars walked into extinction blindid by the suns rays .

from jake.c, age 10, brisbane, QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA; November 8, 2000

I am posting an original T.Imperator.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Really? I would like to do one chapter of Old Blood! Expect my pictures in a few days.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

I see, looks like I will have to draw them. You owe me bigtime Bill.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Too bad Honkie, looks like you will have to put pencil to paper. Good luck. Anyway, how did you guess I was going to explain Megaraptor 2000X that way? It was correct down to the last word. Anyway, I am going overseas for a week, so I hope you, Honkie can contuine Old Blood for me. Feel free to write anything you want.(Not out of point though.)

Ps. Anyway, if I was your alter-ego, it dosent make sense as I am older than you. Ha!
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Darn, I should have told you that I got these pictures off a the artist allowing the distribuition of their artwork, but I will see what I can do about it.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Okay Bill, Megaraptor 2000x is a ill-concieved plan cooked up by a person whose name I will not mention to take over the world by killing off all the T.Rexes. A weapon totting-Tinker put an end to his rampage. (Warning kids! Despite what Tinker did, my stand is clear: SMALL KIDS SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH BIG GUNS!)
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Cool article. Err, JC, got my pictures for Bill yet?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000
We can only publish pictures with the consent of the artist. If you're the artist, great, but we cannot publish the artwork of other people - that's against the law in the US. JC

Holtz? As in Dr.Holtz? What are you doing here? I reconize your article! Why do you think Nanotyrannus is a young T.rex?
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Since I have done some degree of research in this field, I thought I ought to state my conclusions/opinions on the subject of Tyrannosaurus predation:

Among large modern terrestrial hypercarnivores (a useful term mammalogists use for animals which derive >95% of their food in the form of vertebrate flesh), there are three major predatory repetoires:

Grapple-and-slash. Best typified by modern felids (cats), these are predators characterized by highly compressed, recurved, blade-like claws on the hands and feet; relatively short and powerful limbs; and tails used as dynamic stabilizers to allow for quick turns. Grapple-and-slash predators are for the most part ambush predators, which seize the prey with the forelimbs after a very short chase. The prey is then dispatched with a combination of slashes from the forelimb, disemboweling kicks with the hindlimb, and bites and/or suffocation with the mouth. Grapple and slash predators are not particularly fast in the long run, but are good for short acceleration. [And for some reason, Jack Horner seems to think that this is the preferred form of predation, despite it being limited today to only one major group, the Felidae].

Grapple-and-bite. Best typified by modern raptorial birds, these are predators characterized by claws which are curved but fairly round in cross-section. These claws are at the end of fairly powerful limbs. Grapple-and-bite predators today are for the most part ambushers ("death from above"), which seize the prey with the forelimbs, dispatching the prey with bites to the neck or back, and flying away with the carcass to eat elsewhere. The claws are used primarily for holding prey, while the jaws are the main killing tool.

Pursuit-and-bite. Typified today by canids (dogs, wolves, etc.), hyaenids, the cheetah, and in the recent past by flightless predatory birds. The claws of pursuit-and-bite predators are for the most part not highly curved and are rounded in cross-section. These predators do have powerful jaws and necks, long teeth, and relatively long limbs. Pursuit-and-bite predators characteristically run down their prey after a fairly long chase, seize the prey in their jaws, and kill the prey with a combination of biting and suffocation. The claws, if used at all, are used to stabilize the victim so the jaws can do their work.
Comparing theropods to these repetoires, it is fairly easy to relate different groups to the three catagories. Dromaeosaurids are excellent candidates for grapple-and-slash predators, since they proportionately short and stout legs (forget ever reference you've seen to Velociraptor and Deinonychus as being "swift" as dinosaurs go. Even Tyrannosaurus rex has proportionately longer lower legs and feet than do these smaller forms). The claws of the hand and the sickle-claw of the foot match the proportions and angle of felid claws very nicely, and the tail of dromaeosaurids has been known to be a dynamic stabilizer since 1969. And of course, the fighting Velociraptor specimen is in classic grapple-and-slash predatory attack, inculding the disemboweling kicks to the belly of the Protoceratops.

Most large theropods (allosauroids, megalosauroids, Dryptosaurus, etc.), match some variation on the grapple-and-bite theme. The hand claws of these animals closely match the proportions and angles of predatory birds, and are at the end of short but powerful arms. Like predatory birds, these claws were probably not the primary weapons of killing, but were used to seize and hold the prey while the jaws did the work. Note that it is these animals, and not dromaeosaurids, which match modern "raptors" the best.

Tyrannosaurids fit well with the pursuit-and-bite catagory. Like canids and hyaenids, they have proportionately long legs (T. rex itself has legs which are more "cursorial" than the man-sized herbivore Dryosaurus and other accepted runners), very powerful jaws, and claws of the hand and feet which are not highly curved and rounded in cross-section. Although they may not have pursued prey for wolf-like distances, the body of anatomical evidence points to the adaptations of tyrannosaurids as being predatory, and specifically pursuit-and-bite predatory, features.

And as for scavenging - none of the alledged scavenging features suggested by Horner holds up in quantitative or comparative analysis. His claim that predators need to use their forelimbs in prey acquisition does not stand the test of observations of the modern world. Tyrannosaurids show more cursorial adaptations than any other large Late Cretaceous Asiamerican dinosaur (hadrosaurids, ceratopsids, ankylosaurids, etc.), so they probably were faster than any of these.

BUT... as others have already pointed out, scavenging and predation are not mutually exculsive behaviors. In some regions of Africa, for example, lions are predominantly scavengers and hyaenas the major predators, while in other parts of the same continent, these roles are reversed. Tyrannosaurids would be in a good position to bully any other theropod away from a corpse (dromaeosaurids arguably may be more deadly pound for pound, but tyrannosaurids had a LOT more pounds...). It is not unreasonable that certain individual tyrannosaurid populations, or even species, may have gotten most of their food from carcasses. Nevertheless, the anatomy of tyrannosaurids indicates that they were capable of dispatching prey using techiniques grossly similar to those used by canids, hyaenids, and the like - running down animals, seizing them in their jaws, and ripping out huge chunks and/or suffocating the prey item until it was dead.
from Holtz, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

I just read Raptor 4, the pachy will beat the living daylights out of a Velociraptor! retreat! retreat!
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Honkie, you say you are me right? Then explain Megaraptor 2001x to firebird.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Billy Macdraw, you are my alter-ego! I am the real person!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Ideas for Raptor:

Actually, Velociraptor is a primitive type of Raptor, so I would expect it to have been flattened by Megaraptor in the first place, but anyway, the wet season will mean predators and prey alike coming together at the water's edge...heh heh heh.

Velociraptor is actually a small player in your story as its effect on other dinosaurs would be minimised by its size...why not tell it from Megaraptor's point of view?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

I haven't had much time to write but the next RAPTOR will be soon.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Billy, what is a Megaraptor2001 type x? I saw it on DINO WARZ but I'm not sure what it is.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Listen, Honkie when Billy says "I give some credit to Honkie Tong." That's fine.

Listen, I need some ideas for RAPTOR. And tell me what you honestly think about it.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

HMMM....Honkie Tong=Billy???
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

When is the next Raptor coming out anyway?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Hello everybody, I got to go to school now!
from Honky Tong, age 12, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Sure Bill. What do you think of my pictures.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Hello.. .. How's everyone doing?
from Suchomimus, age 11, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

need help with facts about dinosaurs like how old what they eat? what they do to defend themselvs
from alex, age 09, hollywood, florida, usa; November 7, 2000

Hi, Owen.
Although I was certain the Spice Girls fell under the category of old extinct things, it turns out they have new hit videos on Much Music. Some people don't recognize them though!

from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 7, 2000

Dinosaurs are fun to talk about.I personally love dinosaurs.The dinosaurs roamed the earth in the Mesozoic Era.Talk to me more.
from Mondaizie R., age 10, Macon, Georgia, United States of America; November 7, 2000

Hi,I love the spice Girls LOVE.OWEN!
from Owen, age 13, LaPine, Oregon, America; November 7, 2000

If you want some of the credit, that's fine.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Enough of this rubbish, Honkie, could you render Sue, Suzie and Sue-Imperator for me?
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

I do not understand this? Why do you say Billy Macdraw is you?
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

What rubbish are you talking Honkie? I am the original, you're the alter-ego!
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

did anyone enjoy being in dino warz? i did! (i know trex did win, that's the part i hated!)

i'm back! oh and i enjoyed being in dino warz! yo, i liked your story Brad. it was goooooooood! keep writing!

Old Blood 5-7 was great! I can hardly wait for more!

Old Blood 10 was awesome!

I just read Old Blood 11. It was really good. Keep up the good work Billy. Old Blood rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gosh, Billy, Old Blood is excellent, keep up the good work! It's just like Jurassic Park but with way cooler dinos! hehe, I always wished JP'd of had Oviraptors! Giganotosaurus too, wow. Good job.

Old Blood rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Intreasting story....

How come Billy Macdraw gets all the credit? I am him and he is me! The credit should go to me too!
from Honkie Tong?, age 16?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000

Thanks JC, for doing all this work. It's a very good thing you are doing here. Anyway, what do you guys think of another season of Dino Warz?
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000
I have no idea if I got them in the right order (It's 1:30 in the morning here - I'm about to quit for the night). JC

Hey JC, I am moving the entire Dino Warz to the fanfic page. Could you seperate the stories Old Blood, Raptor and Dino Warz for the reader's benifits?
from Billy Macdraw, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 7, 2000
Yes, but it will take me some time. JC

Here's a picture of the Honky Tong that is the other guy in this chatroom. Beside him is a picture of an Allosaurus head, not to scale though. This Honky Tong is not Honkie Tong, which is me.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Honkie Tong, Allosaurus

Naa, I heard there's some work going on with compairing T.Rex DNA with Nanotyrannus. Since everyone is so intrested in the topic, here's what they found so far. Nanotyrannus was closely related to Tyrannosaurus but wasn't a T.Rex. This is not really conclusive though, for they are working with 15-20 percent of the orginal strand. The DNA was taken form a Nano tooth and a T.Rex leg bone.
from Onituphia, age ?, Kedah, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Descripition: This is a picture of a Tyrannosaurus Rex (Just about the only dino I can draw well.) It looks grainy because I actually enlarged it, but I hoped you liked it anyway.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

picture by Honkie Tong

You should sign your picture! JC

Which budding paleontologist wouldn't know Dr. Bakker? I have only been in the job for half a year and aready I have heard much about him. He is respected, but I wouldn't say taken seriously in everything that he says. We still beg to differ on Brachiosaurus giving birth to 500-pound, life young. Or on that Megalosaurus was bigger than Giganotosaurus.
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Odd, to say that Nanoteeth were like Tyrannosaurus... if there is a Tinker-Nano connection, it means the Triceratops was brought down or scavenged by a mob of young Tyrannosaurus or Nanotyrannus...or more likely, the parents killed the food for them.
from Timon, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Hmm, people talking about me? Anyway, I would like to say that Nanotyrannus was probally as real as Anatotitan.
from Honky Tong, age 12, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Paleontology is prone to change, so I can only offer you my speculations of the Tinker-Nano case. It was unlikely the Nano teeth belonged to Tinker, that's all I can say. This probally shows either two things. Tinker was scavenged or killed by Nanotyrannus, or that young Tyrannosaurus like to kill and eat their own. It's likely this question will be solved if we find more young Tyrannosaurus bones. Infant Tyrannosaurus bones have been found, mostly of the leg and shin. A concial tooth fragment not much bigger than a pencil tip has laso been found. This could mean that infant Tyrannosaurus didn't have Nanotyrannus teeth after all in the first place. Prehaps it seemed more likely that Nanotyrannus was the young of another species of Tyrannosaur more closely related to Albertosaurus. The Nanotyrannus skull surely looked like a cross between the nutcracker jaws of Tyrannosaurus and the slenderer jaws of a Albertosaurus.
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

I am Honkie Tong, Honky Tong is a celebrity, you can find his picture in, the offical webpage of a radio station if there's any help. No, I do not know who Honky Tong is.
from Honkie Tong?, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Where are all of you getting your info? It is different from what I am hearing. I was about to suggest a check for scavenging in the bones, as I have heard nothing on this. And my point about the Nano/Tinker association is that while it would certainly be possible for Nanos to be scavenging, when everything else is added up it hurts the case more than helps it. I should have "safe-guarded" my previous post from such before, but was in a hurry. Anyway, I did further research on the DML, and came across two things:
1. According to Dr. Holtz, the nano skull is definately of a juvenile something- the bone texture is ropey, like that of a young animal growing fast. (This is from Dr. Holtz, not me, so I can't confirm/disprove anything on it.)
2. A Triceratops fossil found a few years ago was also discovered in association with nano teeth. Interestingly enough, according to the person who posted, which was getting info from an article, one of the teeth was more like "that of an adult T-rex." They didn't say anymore than that, so I have no idea what that means.
Anyway, for the moment I am siding with the people at the list, and until something more definitive on Nanotyrannus comes out, I am not convinced of its reality.
Speaking of unrealities, as I can't resist a controversy, what's everyone's opinion on Tsintaosaurus? First they give it that unicorn spike, then they say it was a mistake and attribute it to the hadrosaurine Tanius, then a report comes out that a second skull is found with the spike and it's not a mistake after all, there's dancing in the streets and suddenly Tsintaosaurus becomes a lambeosaurine related to Parasaurolophus, and then we hear nothing more. What's the deal?

from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Are there two people named Honkie/Honky Tong now?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 6, 2000

I don't understand how nano teeth can be found near Tinker if he was moving about. He certainly wasn't staying in the area at that time. To say where Tinker found was a nest doesn't make sense. Tyrannosaurus would be mightly stupid to build its nest at a riverbed. I donno? Does tinker have a shedding ground? Besides, did Tinker bite himeslf? The nano teeth found had bone fragments of Tinker stuck in them.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

What I find coincidental, is the discovery of Tinkers so called "baby" teeth with his body. His adult teeth were all fully formed and ready to go, meaning he had those for at least 4 weeks. Tinker died in a acient riverbed, which was by no means his nest. The idea is that we can't figure how Tinker dropped his teeth about 4 weeks backs, walked all over the place and then came back to die there. Whatever, he certainly wasn't staying in one spot. The Nano teeth were found tightly clustered around Tinkers' body, and corresponds to predation patters. Don't get me wrong. A lot of my friends used to think Nano was a Tyrannosaurus unil Tinker was found.

You argument is a bit like saying: " I think Tyrannosaurus was a predator...I find a tooth in a Anatotitan...hmm, evidence of predation is too coincidental because I happen to look for it...what are the odds of finding evidence of predation while I am looking for it? Naa, The Tyrannosaur tooth must have fell onto the Anatotitan and fused with it while it was scavenging it...hmm, what? You say the wound healed so it indicates an attack? I cannot be. Whatever, I reject this because it is too coincidental.
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Yeah man, mabye the raptors went extinct because they attacked prey too large for themselves.
from Honky Tong, age 12, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

On the topic of 'raptorology...

A presentation featured at Science North's 2000 dinosaur exibit, which I attended, depicted Currie investigating two Deinonychus that had been crushed in titanosaur footprints. Deinonychus even had titanosaur bone fragments in its teeth, as the pack (or pair, I think it was) had attacked the titanosaur's baby before being crushed by the adult. The video, which was part of a motion simulator ride, presents a very exciting discovery. But why haven't I seen anything about this on any dinosaur websites? Did they just make it up? Kind of disturbing.

Today's raptors are also increasingly birdlike. Seen Luis Rey's Deinonychus? Here's the link-

It's a killer turkey, but it's still an ugly turkey! Not a bad picture, but I still get the feeling the future doesn't look to good for our sickle-clawed friends.
Looks like the end, raptor fans.

from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 6, 2000

Dryosaurus was a plant-eating iguanodont. But if you're thinking of Dryptosaurus, that is an extremely cool predator. I'd like to see more modern reconstructions published. Unfortunately, Dr. Bakker has said a lot of stuff I can find no reference to in the books. Is there any chance Discovery will show that again soon? Megalosaurus and Dryptosaurus are both great underrated predators that deserve more attention. At least I voted for them.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 6, 2000

Hey i found a book on dinosaurs at lenox mall in atlanta GA. It's in astore called GPTV discovery store.
from Samuel C., age 9, Columbus, Georgia, U.S.A.; November 6, 2000

Personally, though, while there's no evidence of two types of teeth in T-rex, I find the association of Tinker with Nano teeth quite suspect. If they were different animals, the last place a proponent of this would want to find such teeth is anywhere near a rex. While that's hardly proof of anything, it seems a little too coincidental that so many nano teeth are found with Tinker, even if his current dentition is as an adult. That, coupled with the recent failure to locate the fusion (and reports of several features completely unique to Tyrannosaurus rex mentioned in the same paper) and several other things I don't have time to list at present, have many experts either doubtful of Nanotyrannus's authenticity or without opinion on it. Hopefully future discoveries will settle the issue once and for all.
As for raptors, I agree they are quite overrated. Deinonychus may have formed some sort of hunting group, based on circumstantial evidence, but I get really annoyed seeing every single raptor species in a pack type formation, with no regard to their individual habitats and builds. I generally try to keep my Velociraptors solitary or in small, loose family units, more to break the monotony of having the same behavior patterns, but also taking into account the fact that its environment was so much different from the likes of Deinonychus. I suspect Dromaeosaurus had different behavior, too, because of its different, more powerful build.

from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 6, 2000

Cool organisation of my story, thanks JC, I really appericated it.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000
Thanks. JC

Nothing much, I just want to see how much you kids know...alot, apparently.
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Currently, my department is divided into two camps:

Those who believe the raptors were the deadilest predators ever, fast, smart and hunted in packs. They leaped onto their prey and tore them to shreds with their toe claws.

The other camp believe the raptors were predators, but not as deadily. They probally didn't hunt in a pack and didn't bring down large prey all the time.

I am in the second camp, why?

Alot of my work involves working out injuries in dinosaur fossils due to predator-prey relationships. Some Tyannosaurus skeletons had their legs painfully broken by an Anykylosaur club, but somehow stayed upright to head. Allosaurs have been found to suffer rib fractures when they belly-flopped hard while running.

The same is not for the raptors.

If they did use their claws to slice their prey open, I don't see how. Working through flesh with a 30 cm claw needs effort. And you need big and deeply attatched muscles to work it. Raptor claws have a tendon attatchment to swing it, but it was only moderately strong, not enough to work it into a long gash, according to our estimates. We suspect that- if the raptors did hunt big prey, they probally used their claws as grappeling hooks, not sickles as previously thought. The claws have also showed no stress damage one would associate with such a trumatic condition like kicking with it.

The raptors are probally overrated
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Well, we don't have any evidence of pack behaviour in mordern day birds. So it's unlikely the Raptors packed. But I suspect they did mob. Meaning they had no plan but flocked together to bring down large prey. A flock has little or no structure but a pack has its own order and arragment.

Tyrannosaurus proally did move around in groups. 10 Rexes charging a herd of Hardosaurs have a higher chance of catching something in the confusion. One hardosaur could probally feed a Rex pack for days, so it does make sense.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

We suspect Tyrannosaurus Imperator was actually T.Rex, but you can find her in Dino Warz! The Tyrannosaurus were probaly the best equipped killing dinos ever.
from Honky Tong, age 12, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Tinker is clearly a T-rex because of his teeth. Tinker's teeth have tall, conical, slightly recurved anterior crowns… these crowns are taller relative to diameter and more circular in cross section than any other member of the tyrannosaurid family; Tinker's lower jaws hold a single nipping tooth and 12-13 tooth sockets (per side).

Whew, that's a mouthful…it means, in short, that T-rexes have very distinctive teeth, Tinker has those same teeth…so Tinker is a Late Cretaceous T-Rex and not something else.

The fact that Tinker has the same teeth as an adult T-rex plus the fact that there is no indication of Tinker having had different `baby teeth' tells us a lot. Tinker must have eaten the same food as the adults. (There were some acid eroded and etched duckbill remains mixed in with Tinker's bones, indicating his last meal. It would have been a meal identical to what his parents would have eaten.)

As an example of what this means, today, baby crocodiles have totally different teeth than adults. The baby teeth are needle sharp for snagging insects, frogs, and other small prey. Their parents don't feed them, they look out for their own dinner. Tinker doesn't appear to be like that at all. And this is where one can speculate on T-rex social/family behavior…

Did Tinker's parents feed him? It would seem so. It is possible that Tinker could have begun to hunt for himself but he was pretty young. Mammalian predators today, at Tinkers age, don't hunt. One or both parents, prepares their food for them (I guess you could say). So were Tyrannosaurs like modern lions or leopards? We don't know, but finds like Tinker might help us answer these questions and many, many more. More importantly, Tinker will help us find new questions to ask.

We don't know how Tinker died though we hope to find out. Maybe Tinker was killed by a pack of Nanotyrannus (Nano's were probably cousins of T-rexes); many shed Nano teeth were found with Tinker's body…Nano teeth are sharper and more delicate than rex teeth. Did they kill Tinker, or just feast on a convenient food source? We'll let you know what we find, as we find it.

The simple presence of Nano teeth is interesting and is a great example of new things that Tinker will be able to tell us…When Nanotyrannus was first discovered many scientists insisted it was a young T-rex, not some midget distant cousin (Nano's were probably only half the size of a full sized rex). So much for that theory. Tinker's teeth are every bit T-rex, not at all like Nano teeth. We will be learning many more things similar to this as more of Tinker is freed and examined…and not just about Tinker.

Gallimimus, I find the idea of the Nano teeth belonging to Tinker difficult to believe. Tinker could move around and was certainly not confined to that certain area. If Tinker had Nano teeth, he would have shed them all over the place as he followed his parents. They say more than 10 Nano teeth were found near Tinker. Actually, Tinker's teeth were all adult teeth and fully grown. I find it even harder to believe that Tinker would have shed these teeth some time back, grew adult teeth, and then died on the same spot he shed his teeth some time back. It's even harder to believe than the Nano got Tinker story.
from Timon, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Hey, Levine. What's a 24 year old paleontologist like you doing here in ZoomDinosaurs? Is nano really a T.rex?
from Honky Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

I have no idea what this "Raptor" or "Old Blood" is what is it? Then why are you guys going all loony over Tyrannosaurs and dromaeosaurs? I LOVE all dinosaurs and mammals too, but there are more exciting types than raptors. Dryosaurus could whip a raptor, hes faster, a big head full of teeth and large claws on each hand not to mention such long and lanky fore arms. Has anyone heard about Tyrannosaurus Imperator??? Hes HUGE, a 7 foot long head, now thats big. If any of you saw the Discovery show about the Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, Dr,Bakker said that Megalosaurus was bigger than Giganotosaurus. Thats cool, guess he was mostly designed to kill big sauropods more than anything else. Then I saw something about T.Bataar and T.Rex. T.Bataar is pretty much the same thing plus North America and Eurasia being connected at that time. Like Brad, Im also very skillful in paleontology...Ive had this theory in the early cretaceous period which mainly cons! isted of large raptors and allosaur types in North America and Asia as the big carnivores, I dont think alll raptors were pack hunters. Kind of think of the raptor like a saber-tooth tiger, theyre prey consisted MAINLY of BIG animals, but they were'nt the most deadly or top predators. The big allosaurs were the top predators, not to mention, in a battle with two carnivorous dinsaurs, the battle is furious, close and extremely fast, raptors could hold their own well, but they couldnt cut it. With those long lanky arms and that short mouth along with them being more light than other big carnivores, before it could whip around those loong arms he would already be getting his neck chewed up. Raptors probably used more jumping and slapping than any other move. I wonder does anybody know that many ornithomimids were strict vegetarians eating soft twigs, leaves and berries like a moa. Has anyone read that scientific news?? its really cool all the stuff they found out like tyrannosaur! pack behavior.What is raptor and how do I read it?
from Mr Rogers, age ?, ?, ?, USA; November 5, 2000

The Horner in my story is based on the Horner in real life. They are two different people though. I didn't really agree with his conclusions on Tyrannosaurus, so what better situtation to test these conclusions than infront of a real Tyrannosaurus- with a misinformed Japanese man to test their real speed limit?

Ha ha, I feel a little cruel today.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ....., ....., .....; November 5, 2000

That's really odd. A report made by a fellow lecture mate said he found fusion. The evidence is contradictory. Anyway, the reason we say that Nanotyrannus is more like a scaled down Tyrannosaurus is because it had the skull proportions of a full grown Tyrannosaur. Nanotyrannus' skull was superfically like Tyrannosaurus, but it was actually more like Albertosaurus. Tinker's skull looked more like a young animal with big eyes in proportion to its skull. It's either Tinker was not a Tyrannosaurus or that Nanotyrannus was not a Tyrannosaurus.

Anyway, we find no evidence to suggest that Tyrannosaurus had two types of teeth like crocs. Crocs have them because of they need them to capture insects and small prey. Animals taken care of when they are young do not require a special set of teeth to fend for themselves. Anyway, a paper written by my friend stated that the hatching Albertosaurus found had adult teeth. We don't see why not in hatching Tyrannosaurus.
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Yes, good idea, actually, I prefer it that way.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000
Ok, I'll change it. JC

I'm trying to be as accurate as possible. So please correct me when I make any Paelo-mistakes. I have correct the length of the raptor head and a few spelling errors here and there when I moved the entire story to the fiction board. Fell free to print the story and read it.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Great, but I had problems reading Old Blood as it was the installments were arranged backwards. It it possible to make every new post add to the botton of the page instead of the top? It's like reading a book backwards.

Billy Macdraw, you are the Tom Clancy of the dinosaur world
from Lilian Tay, age 11, Singapore, ?, ?; November 5, 2000
That's fine with me - Billy MacDraw - do you want it that way? JC

Hi, I'm new here and i wanted to know about what your talking about.
from raptor, age 14, mountdora, Fl, u.s.a; November 5, 2000

You people can print out my story for easy reading, but you'll need at least 60 sheets of paper.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ....., ....., .....; November 5, 2000

The Next old blood will be out soon.
from Billy Macdraw, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Dear Dinosaur:
I like to do the dinosaur count game but I could'nt play it.Why?I like to talk to you in the computer.

from Diprarag, age 8, Toronto, Ontario, Canada; November 5, 2000
You were probably at the advertisement for the CD-ROM Busy Little Brains (it's not an online game, and it's for pre-readers).

AWESOME!!!!!! I LIKE THE COLOR OF THE TEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Chaptor 4 of RAPTOR is out!!!!!!!!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

I am writing like as soon as I write a chaptor I put it on the web. You can use any method you want to though.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000



from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

Announcement: we've changed the dinotalk script so that when you use a carriage return (or two) in your post, it will show up in your post (you no longer need to need to use html tags). More than two returns show up as just two. Dino Fiction works the same way. We also changed the color of the post - any comments?
from JC., ??, Mercer Island, WA, USA; November 5, 2000

No recent dinosaur news? They must be digging up something big...
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000
There's a new bipedal Permian lizard called Eudibamus, the earliest-known biped, but I didn't put it in the dino news section (since it's not a dino); it's in the paleo dictionary.

I will try to write my first chapter by next week. Should I post it immediately, or write my whole story first? I don't want to post parts of a story I might not finish.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

Tyrannosaurus lived in North America and Asia. Although it would be more proper to put T. bataar in an Asian setting, I let people have their own views of which dinosaurs are synonymous. If you think T. rex is the single valid species of Tyrannosaurus, you'd have T. rex in Asia too. That is unless you go the other way and make T. bataar its own genus, in which case you'd use Tarbosaurus. Velociraptor may have also lived in North America, if you count Saurornitholestes as a species/synonym of Velociraptor. (same goes for Deinonychus, but that's a different time period) Gallimimus is unquestinably Asian, being different from the Ornitho/Strutio/Dromecieo/-mimus group.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

That's true, firebird. The more different dinosaurs, the cooler the story.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

You should also ask what Tyrannosaurus is doing there. He lived in North America!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

Oh, and RAPTOR is set in very late Cretaceous. Almost when the dinosaurs died out.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

It is fiction Brad! You can do anything you want with fiction! I could put Gigantosaurus in there if I wanted to.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 5, 2000

The presence of Velociraptor, Tyrannosaurus, and Gallimimus seemed to suggest Raptor was set in Late Cretaceous Mongolia- but what is Megaraptor doing there? Maybe this isn't the real Cretaceous after all.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

I wouldn't consider Dinosaur Lives among the best dinosaur books (the lack of an index was rather frustrating), but if you liked it that's fine. Also by Horner is 'Digging Dinosaurs' (1988), which is about the discovery and behavior of Maiasaura, and the excellent 'The Complete T. Rex' (1993). Bakker's 'Dinosaur Heresies' (1986) and the science-based novel 'Raptor Red' (1995) have a good deal of specualtion about the behavior of dinosaurs. As for encyclopedias, the biggest and best is Donald Glut's 'Dinosaurs The Encyclopdia' (1997). You might also like 'The Complete Dinosaur' (1997), a large collection of dinosaur articles by various experts.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 5, 2000

Raptor3 is here. It is at the Dino Fiction page. (There is a link above.)
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

I will now be doing my stories at the dino fiction page!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Recent studies have failed to find the skull fusion mentioned by Bakker et al. previously, so who knows what the deal is there. What do you mean by nano being a scaled down rex? As far as I know, it is only known from a skull. If a skeleton were found it would end the debate once and for all, but we can't pick and choose what we find. At any rate, there are many threads dedicated to Nanotyrannus on the DML, and I'll dig up the address for anyone interested. Many of the people there have read the papers on nano, including the 1999 study in which no fusion was found, and some I think have even seen the specimen (the DML, for anyone who doesn't know, is composed of many kinds of enthusiasts, including amatuers, professionals, and paleoartists.) I remembered a report from a while ago about detecting pigments in fossils, but as far as I know, this could only be done for fish (don't remember why.)
from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Do you like my idea?????????????????????????????????????????????????
from anonymous, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Chaptor 2 of RAPTOR is here!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

I think Minimi was light green or yelllow.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

I'm thinking about the ending. I'm sure your story will be awesome, Brad!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

I 'm glad they're not around too, consdering that Allosaurus was 38 feet long, and 16.5 feet tall. It wieghed 1400kg.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Thanks, Brad. If you have any info on those three Dinosaurs please let me know!
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Does anyone know any good dinosaur books to read? I just finished Dnosaur Lives by Jack Horner and I'm really interested in more books about their speculated behaviour. I would also like a new dinosaur encyclopaedia. Can anyone suggest some up-to-date ones?
from DW, age 14, Sngapore, ?, ?; November 4, 2000

Well, Sophin thinks the alot of the animals have escaped from their paddock somehow, not just the terrible claws. He wants to prove this. Anyway, the allosaurs in my story are the original 32 feet ones, not the big 40 feet ones. I alos didn't use Nanotyrannus and Anatotitan as they might not exist at all.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Super North American Allosaurs...who would have thought it? Anyway, why did they go extinct if they were so good?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

They found some pigments on the ankylosaur, leading them to belivev it was yellow. Though this is not conclusive, as pigments can change colour over time. One thing we know is, dinosaurs were probally colourful.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Really? I thought Tinker was smaller, I read was he lighter but bigger?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Technically, Tinker was smaller due to his gangly, lanky build. He weighted slightly less than a nano at 850kilos. He was technically longer. Anyway, Tinker had the bulid of a baby Tyrannosaur- longer legs, smaller head and gangly build. Nano on the other hand, looked mote like a scaled down T.Rex.

Nano also had the bones of it's skull fused, as found in the CAT scan, done by Bakker, indictaing it was an adult. Tinker's skull ha not yet fused, not unlike young baby birds. This led Bakker and myself to conclude that Tinker was younger
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

when cleveland-lloyd dinosaur quarry in utah was excavated, they found over 40 allosaurus's in that one site. they found some of them to be over 40 feet in length. a little smaller in stature, yes. but not much. head was more streamline and not as bulky as the t-rex. being that these two different animals lived in about 80 million years of evolution seperation allosaurus at 150 mya and the t-rex at 70 mya. they both were fierce animals in there respected time. no matter which was better equipped. i am glad that they aren't around today. how about you?
from gt, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Very cool, firebird. Velociraptor, T. rexes, Gallimimus- seems like a winning combination. I'd like to read more. I am also playing with an idea in my head right now for dinosaur fiction, but I haven't written any of it yet because I don't know how I want the ending (or even what dinosaur I'll feature, but it might be... oh, I'm not telling now).
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000

It is here!! My sample is here!! Read it!!
from fireird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

I know a lot about dinosaurs.My favorite dinosaurs are:Utahraptor,Giganotosaurus,T.Rex,& Carcharodontosaurus.I like dinosaurs.I also like Digimon&Pokemon.
from Jimmy H., age 9, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.; November 3, 2000

Reference is made to a "crest" (the original writer surrounded this with quotations, and since I'm not sure why I'll leave it that way) that is identified as filaments running along the scalp, extending no further forward on the head than beyond the eyes. Unfortunately, I have only encountered this in one place, and all restorations I've seen of Sinornithosaurus don't have this feature. However, the person who said this probably has access to sources I don't, and if anyone wants to pursue it I'll ask where the information came from.
from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Who suspects Minmi was yellow?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000

Dromaeosaur crests being those cool bone ridges running down the snout in some pictures, or the silly upright feathers attached to the back of the head on other pictures?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000

Hi, Afton. Good to hear from you again. Old Blood is a story taking place on the Vote for your Favourite Dinosaur page. Other stories are posted there too, including the Dino Warz scripts and something coming soon from Firebird. Do you think there'd be any chance of fan fiction/ anytime soon?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000
Good idea - I'll work on it. I wonder if the rest of the group realizes that you were the person whose suggestion started dinotalk. JC

I am going to give you a piece of sample writing. Tell me if you like it. Tell me if you want me to keep going. Look for it at the voting page.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

I checked the DML archives again, and according to information there Tinker is larger (something like 60% the size of an adult, as compared to 40% for Nano.) Also, as I said before the general consensus there is that Nanotyrannus is a young rex or at the very best evidence is still insufficient at present. If you want to debate this with people who really know what they're talking about (unlike me, who true to the latter part of my name can only mimic what I hear from them) you should perhaps join the list (and set 'em straight, if you wish.)
from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Hey, I'm just repeating what I heard, which at the time seemed to make more sense. I was not aware Tinker is smaller than Nano- the extimates I got were about 17 feet, the same as Nano if it were an adult, and if it were a juvenile this estimate would change. I also wasn't sure of location- at the time I was researching this is was for the validity of Nanotyrannus, not about Tinker. And I'm not using mammals as an analogy- whoever said this cited crocodiles. I also just find it too hard to believe that Nanotyrannus teeth just happen to show up in the area. And believe me, I'm not purposely trying to discredit Nanotyrannus- I like the animal- but I am very cautious with matters like this because this is an incredibly hyped dinosaur and good information can be hard to find when it gets like that (because the general media likes to tell the public what it wantd to hear regardless of fact.) So I hold evidence for Nanotyrannus to high standards. If you want to see the source I'm citing, check the DML archives, but many of the people there are unconvinced of Nano's validity. I also believed someone before brought up something about a Velociraptor crest (It's hard to respond when I can't see any of the posts.) I think I remember something about a crest of some sort preserved with Sinornithosaurus, but I'd have to check on that. Also, how did you guys all become friends? I came here with that intention, because I don't have many people to talk to about dinosaurs, but it's really hard being new. What should I do?
from Gallimimus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Actually, Tyrannosaurus and Nanotyrannus did not have sets of teeth, with baby and adult characterestics, as mammals do. Dinosaurs could grow new teeth whenever they wanted to, never needing to even brush them, as they were far superior to us (not an insult to anyone in particular).
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000

Yes, but if it was an escaped Deinonychus, why not Deinonychus height graphs? Not that there's really anything wrong with the story, it just seemed strange.
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 3, 2000

Brad it's me Afton the one who talked to you over the Summer it looks like some dinosaur fans are'nt talkin anymore well I've got and learned a lot of stuff about Dinosaurs.
from Afton, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Wait a minute Levine... I though Tinker was bigger.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 3, 2000

Tinker was around four years old and fully capable of travelling with his family group. It's unlikely the Nanotyrannus teeth found actually belonged to him as he was found in a river bed...the last place for a nest. Really, the people saying Nanotyrannus was T.Rex should check the facts. Their theories are simply unbelievable, trying to revive a dying idea. Tinker has proven beyond all doubt that Nanotyrannus was, infact a different dinosaur.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

Gallimimus, your theory doesn't hold when put to the test of logic. From what I know, Tinker was smaller and younger than the oldest and largest Nannotyrannus. He had adult Tyrannosaurus teeth, while the largest Nannotyrannus did not. For your theory aout Tinker having two sets of teeth to work, he must have been born with Nannotyrannus teeth, shed them, grew Tyrannosaurus teeth, shed them again, grow back some more Nannotyrannus teeth and then shed them for T.rex teeth again. Four sets of teeth in a lifetime- It makes no sense.

Even so, people say Nanotyrannus was a young rex, then Tinker, being younger and smaller, should have resembled Nannotyrannus instead of Tyrannosaurus, but this isn't the case.

Rest assured, the case for Nanotyrannus being a real animal is as real as it can be.

Any comments? Or rebuttals?
from Levine, age 24, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

I don't buy that. Tinker was smaller than a nanno. So that's why it's impossibe for him to shed nanno teeth. Why would Tinker being smaller should have nanno teeth, not rex teeth. I suspect Rex was aready born with adult like teeth, not nanno teeth. Albertosaurus infants all have adult teeth, I don't see why rex should have to sets, as their poarents probally brought food for them- they didn't need teeth to catch insects. It dosent make sense. Anyway, Tinker has many differences with nanno and was closer to rex. I don't think nanno was a young rex. Tinker was just a small rex, about a fourth grader in human terms. Prehaps you need to look harder for evidence for nano being rex.

We shouldn't argue for the sake of an argument. On carefull thinking, Nano can't be a young rex! If that was true, Tinker should have been found with nano teeth as he was younger and smaller than the adult nano.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

Hello, all. Before anyone asks, the "Gallimimus" handle is one I use on other boards and not related to anything on the Voting section. Anyway, I don't know if anyone's said this already, but on the Dinosaur Mailing List I came across something interesting regarding the Nanotyrannus/Tinker debate. While it is true that the teeth differ on the Tinker specimen from the Nanotyrannus specimen, this doesn't automatically mean they're different species. As someone on the DML pointed out, when crocodilians are born they have a set of "baby teeth" similar to nano dentition, but as they grow these teeth are shed and replaced by adult teeth, like Tinker's. Advocates of nano and T-rex being different species paint a scenario in which Tinker is attacked by Nanotyrannuses, who leave behind the shed teeth at the scene, but it seems to make a lot more sense that the teeth may have at one point belonged to Tinker (who would have then stayed in the area for some tim! e after hatching.) It also seems entirely too coincidental that the one animal whose teeth we want to compare-Nanotyrannus- just happened to show up in the vicinity. I was pretty disappointed by this, because I thought Nanotyrannus a pretty cool critter, but I don't think the evidence looks good for it. Like I said I didn't get a chance to go through this whole board, so this might have been said already, and I apologize if it has, but I thought it was pretty neat. Looking forward to talking with all of you- quite impressed with what's been said. See, not all us Gallimimuses are bad! (We just have a lousy public relations guy.)=)
from Gallimimus, age 75 my, ?, Gobi Desert, Mongolia; November 2, 2000

Some dinosaur colour had turned up in the fossilized skin. Though we are not sure, we suspect the australian ankylosaur mini was yellow.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

I agree Velociraptor with feathers looks wierd. There is no evidence to support this but paleontology is not about what you like or expect, but about facts and what really happened.
from Honkie, age 16, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

They wanted to know if the animals have escaped.
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

from Afton, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

from Afton, age 10, Cameron, mo., U.S.A; November 2, 2000

Brad, I think your right stegasaurus with feathers I don't think the worlds ready for it. In a magazine it showed a Velociraptor with feathers (Iabout threw up when I saw it) Sheesh
from Afton, age 10, Cameron, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

They do no what some dinosaurs skin colors were because they dug up fossilized Dino skin.
from Afton L., age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

I need to know the dinosaur AISHA. No one knows whet colors dinosaurs are though.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 2, 2000

I just read the last two chapters of Old Blood. This just keeps getting better. I liked the Ankylosaurus. Just a small question- if Truman identified the tracks as Deinonychus, why do they discuss the height graphs of Velociraptor?
from Brad, age 13, Woodville, ON, Canada; November 2, 2000

Gosh, Billy, Old Blood is excellent, keep up the good work! It's just like Jurassic Park but with way cooler dinos! hehe, I always wished JP'd of had Oviraptors! Giganotosaurus too, wow. Good job.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 1, 2000

Nevermind...found it...I'm dumb...hehe.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 1, 2000

Where is the Vote for your Favorite Dinosaurs page? I wanna read Old Blood but I can't find it anywhere... And why are we talking about killing dinosaurs?? hehe just seems like an odd topic...and I liked Carnivores 2, it was a good game, but its near impossible to kill a Tyrannosaurus unless you have "flying" enabled and you can hover over him:)
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; November 1, 2000
I've added a link above. JC

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