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Early July 2001



Note: Dr. Tom Holtz and Dr. Michael Brett-Surman are answering dinosaur questions for ZoomDinosaurs in July, 2001 (as publicity for their new dinosaur book). We'll post your questions and send them Drs. Holtz and Brett-Surman. Many, many answers are in.

The Allasuraus was the BIGGEST of all and yes it is a relative
from Dave, age 16, Burl, Ont, Canada; July 10, 2001


Dinosaurs were a unique type of creatures that once roamed this land, and I think there is only one good reason that the dinosaur died out. and that is that if they were alive today, They would be kept in cages or behind electric fences and it isn't really fair to them. They would be cramped up.

and the fact of Ultrasaurus, I bet some people misunderstood that for a giant Diplodocus.

Some people think that Tyrannous was the powerful dinosaur but I bet that Aklyrosaurus and stegosaurus were more than a match for T-rex!!
from Nick.w, age 12, tainan, tainan, Taiwan; July 10, 2001


I don't think pteranadon were strong at all. Remember they were too lightly built to house too much power. There's simply no way they can lift off with a person and fly off. They can't generate enough lift to do that. That's because thier wing loading ratios are way below what you'll need to carry a person and fly off. They simply weren't designed for this. And pteranadons had long and stiff necks to skim fish, is hardly right for a stabbing weapon. Their necks weren't very stong at all. A human being is certianly much stronger and heavier built (hence much tougher)
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Guys, Who here thinks that Nanotyrranus was a Juvinile Rex? I don't but if you do, please come foreward with your theories. Thanks.
from Jeff M., age 16, Montgomery, New York, USA; July 10, 2001


Why would the "sail" be colored? Probably because it would be perfect advertising space for a species recognition pattern, or to attract mates or something like that.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Do the JP3 _Pteranodon_ really have teeth? None of the action figures have teeth, and I downloaded a JP3 commercial that shows a really good shot of the _Pteranodon_ and it doesn't look like it has teeth. I think it may have been just a rumor...
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Why would the sail of a spino be colored, that would look kinda dumb.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


And their beaks could probaly seriously injure a person. Imagine a 6 ft. gull poking someone with a beack.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Just because they were light, doesn't mean they weren't strong. I bet some raptors didn't weigh as a 6 ft. man. I think the pteranadon were alot stronger, though lighter, than people. And I think one could carry a medium-size or small man off.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


I don't think they would want to kill a human anyways...unless it was for territorial reasons or something.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Perhaps the tall spines of _Spinosaurus_ anchored powerful neck muscles in addition to the hump/ridge, similar to the thick necks of hadrosaurs (this could be an explanation for the conspicuous non-S-shaped neck).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Would a Pterodactyl actually ATTACK someone? It would probably feel a need to deefend it territory, and its nesst, but I don't think they would try and feed their babies with them, or even try and pluck them out of the water, especially if they don't look like its regular food sources,which probably included fish and carrion.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 10, 2001


"Hey! I like Singlish lah and I'm gonna use it, ok? Slingish is marsh marsh battar den Ang Mor English bee-cos it cum-mun-ni-cate better, dun believe me? Li peh kenaa kong (Your father tell you, as in literally, "Let me tell you"):"

"Yeah man! Must cre-ate Singaporean iden-ti-ty, hor, or else ah, en-tire world also speak Ang Moh! Then veri sian leh!"

I wasn't trying to say, "don't use Singlish." I was trying to say,"Why SHOULDN'T you use Singlish", to the one who said "I notice some of you Singaporeans are using Singlish, here. Could you try to use perfect queen's English"!! If you are directing your above messages to me, I'm sorry if I wasn't being clear, and I didn't know what Singlish was at the time. On to better things.(And I do think Singlish is cool, after reading it. I even understood it!)
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 10, 2001


Despite being 6 feet tall and with a 25 feet wingspan, I must repeat these animals were not built to be hunters of big prey! The ones indicated in JP3 appear to me to be the gliding pteradactyle not common near the KT (no, they did not have teeth, unlike in the movie). Ok, lets look at this: Most of the animal itself was mainly wing, and as supergliders, they were built to be as strong as possible and yet as light as possible to improve wing loading. Their bones were literally paper thin but reinforced to resist torque and flex from normal inflight forces. What you get is an animal that is about 6 meters in wingspan and 1.8 meters tall, but weighing a grand total of 55-65 kilos. In this case, its power that matters, not size, and humans have the advantage in this area. A blow to any part of petrosaur anatomy will almost certainyl break a bone and I doubt the lightly muscled lizards can put up much of a fight. Also, these animals were built to skim fish from the sea and prehaps scavenge dead animals, not swoop down and attempt to spear an animal that's much smaller, but certainly much stronger than it. Humans are certainly more agile and clever (very important) and most importantly, can pick up a nasty branch or rock that will be VERY deadly if it connects on these gliding lizards.

Now lets see what a 6 foot, 25 foot wingspan dactyl can do,

A) It could try to swoop in and attack the human...hehe that tickles! Not to mention the impact of 60 kilo dactyl against 70 kilo human will be disasterous to the dactyl, given its light built.

B) It could attempt to overpower the human and kill him. Well...again humans are certainly much stronger and will instead OVERPOWER the dactyl. A nick long beak is not gonna save you when you have arnie chocking the life out of your long, thin neck. Not to mention given the fact that they would have been murderously clumsly on the ground, much less in a grappeling match.

C) They could try to stab the human. Again I doubt this will work. These gliders who did not reach high speeds and were not know for agility, will give ample time for the agile human to dodge them and worse, pick up something to bat them with. That's bad for the dactyl.

D) They could fly away. Yes, they better do that if they want to live.

Conclusion: Alot of things would have to go wrongly for a human being to lose (Like if they were lacking brains like all the JP3 characters). Heck, if a skilled human being can take on a leopard hand to hand, lightly-built, weak dactyl will be no problem.

You know, the T.rex vs. Troodon thing is starting to look more reasonable after this.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


I'm not saying T.rex was a trained killer, what I'm implying he had the instincts to be a formidible predator. And good predators take on the weak instead of wasting energy on harder targets. But I suspect its likely he would have no problems with finishing off healthy adult Triceratops if he wanted, but he'd rather go for the weaker ones.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Hmm, the spines which we would expect to form a sail the "sail-backed" Spinosaurs resemble more that of the spines of animals with a hump like bison than animals that had a frill or sail. Comparing the spines of alleged sail-backed dinosaurs with humpbacked animals such as buffaloes and ancient rhinoceroses, and with Dimetrodon, a true sail-backed reptile that lived before the dinosaurs, the spines dinosaurs' spinal struts didn't look like Dimetrodon's at all; unlike Dimetrodon's thin bony spears, the dinosaurs' struts were flat and broad with swollen tips like the ones found in humpbacked animals. The thickness of the dinosaur struts indicates that they were weight-bearing attachment sites for muscles and ligaments and likely, fat. I'm not sure a sail would really be useful in a desert, where most animals survive not by trading heat with the environement (exchange), but by not trading heat at all (insulation). The reason for being is that desert enivroments may bee too extreme to support a large, skin heat exchanger. If the conditions were windless (which they usually are midday where the sun is the hottest), Spinosaurus could suffer from overheating if he had a sail. A ridge/hump would be a better solution, preventing the animal from overheating simply by insulating it from the environment. Many desert dwelling animals do this. I'm not sure, but the morphlogy of the spines seems to indicate a hump than a skin sail.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


"Cause the books were better than the movies. A lot better."

AMEN!
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Ha ha ha! Good picture Honkie! By the way, euoplacephulas you are wrong, T-,man had very good eyesight. He had far bigger eyes than his prey animals and he had dept perception, evidence that points towards adaptations for good eyesight. Also, T-man was so good at running he didn't need no arms to prevent himself from injuring himself because he rarely fell, and if he did, he was probably good enough to fall in such a way (much like cats crashing) to reduce injury. Above all, he was extremly tough and would absorb a few falls. What's the point of having to box when you can bite someone's head off?

ht stego v. T. rex
Picture by Honkie Tong.

from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 10, 2001


Also, I don't think they can really kill a human being, unless they were really lucky. They didn't have necks strong enough to stab hard enough to kill a human being and they certainly can't lift off with a normal human. There's hardy a way for them to seriously threaten us!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


Granted, the dactyl is big, but its more of an optical illusion. These things were extremely light and fragile for their size. A human being is tougher than one 11 times his size man!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


T-Rex Would Lose A Boxing Match(For The Tiny Arms),A Race(For It Needed To Keep From Tripping And Smashing It`s Skull),
And A Schavenger Hunt(I Think It`s Eyes Were Not Powerful Enougth To See Colour).It Would Lose Dinowarz With A Triceratops In Real Life.The Next Dinowarz Better Not Have T-Rex Win Or I`m Going To Go Crazy!

from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 9, 2001


NIETHER. I just study dinosaurs as a hobby and consider them fascinating. I develope my own theories and use independent study. For instance I'am especially interested in the Giganotosaurus's lifestyle, and habits. Goodbye and peace-out for good.
from Scott, age 14, columbia, richland, USA; July 9, 2001


"Actually Honkie Tongue the sail on Spinosaurus could have been used as either to attract mates by flushing blood into it to make an amazing pattern,"

I dunno... Couldn't the sail be colored in the first place?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 9, 2001


And spino probaly had a couple of fights with the carcharadontosaurus, another large predator who lived the same time as the spinosaur.
from T-man, age ?, 17, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


"Cause the books were better than the movies. A lot better."

I hear that! He he...
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 9, 2001


Hey Honkie, they say the T-rex usually ate small, sick, or injured triceratops. And they usually ate hadrosaurs, and you don't really have to be trained to do that.
from T-MAN, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


Reptilian Camel?

SCOTT, ARE YOU TRYING TO SOUND SCIENTIFIC, OR SARCASTICACLY? YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT WAS HOTTER BACK THEN.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


Hey Honkie, Pteranadon had a wingspand of 25 ft. and stood 6 ft. tall. And pretty sure those are pteranadons in the movie, since they have the long crest on their head, and they are a type of pteradactyle. So I don't think it would have a problem with killing a person. It could have probaly feed kids to the babies at it's nest.(killing the kid first)
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


The spinosaurus didn't just eat fish. Scientists say that it fed on a Iguanadon-like dinosaur, which was a little smaller. And a saurapod about the size of a apatosaurus. So I'd say spino was probaly trained killer. And since he doesnt weigh as much, he is probaly faster. But(like the Giganoto and Carcharodontosaurus) he probaly didn't bitting stength of a T-rex.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


I won't have access to the internet for a few days, but I don't really have anything to say anyway. I'm at the library now, so I'll try to find some good dinosaur books.
from Brad, age 14, Lindsay, ON, Canada; July 9, 2001


Actually Honkie Tongue the sail on Spinosaurus could have been used as either to attract mates by flushing blood into it to make an amazing pattern, or as a type of cooling circulation by flushing blood through it and there-by cooling itself off. Sort-of like a reptilian camel.
from Scott, age 14, columbia, richland, USA; July 9, 2001


Guess my data is a little out-dated. But even though Jurassic Park is science-fiction I still think that they should at least stick to some facts. Besides the first two movies would have been better if they sticked closer to the books. Cause the books were better than the movies. A lot better.
from Scott, age 14, Columbia, Richland, USA; July 9, 2001


You're right, Honkie Tong, "ridge" is a better term.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


_Spinosaurus_ is NOT bigger than _T. rex_! It is just longer. Horner, although an expert on ornithopods, knows nothing about theropods and should not be teaching people about them.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


actually leonard, i did some research. jp3 is not about stealing.
its more of a rescue operation.

from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 9, 2001


I think the word "hump" is rather misleading, "ridge" would be better. Besides, I seriously doubt Spinosaurus would have needed a sail as an adaptation to living in the desert. Other Spinosaurids seem to have a less extensive structure or none at all, suggesting that a "sail" may have been more of a passive use as a hump/ridge than a immediate survival specific tool. In any case, hauling that deco on your back isn't gonna help you in a fight.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


"How the heck would they know what spinosaurus ate, or if the T-rex is a trained killer. "

I dunno about Spinosaurus, but we do have a heck of alot of evidence to suggest T.rex might have been an efficent killer. Let's see: Puncture marks on Triceratops hip bones caused by normal feeding bites by T.rex that are equal in force to the attack bites of alligators (and that's a heck lot of force, imagine what it could do in an attack bite). Some hardosaur remains have been found inside T.rex fossils. And amazingly, a nice semicircular bite takign out a large portion from a Triceratops frill from the front caused at such an angle it could only be possible when the Triceratops was alive and upright...and charging the Tyrannosaur (some people say the Tyrannosaur bit down on the frill of the Triceratops to avoid being gored...apparently it worked as the Triceratops did not survive the battle and no Tyrannosaur remains were found nearby) Oh yes, partially healed bite wounds on hardosaur tails have been found with fragments of T.rex teeth in it. And more amazingly, an entire T! .rex tooth sticking out of a hardosaur hipbone. In one case, the healing of the wound was noted to be minimal (meaning the animal died about two weeks after the bite. Septic infection?). Of course, some fossils also show T.rex scavenging, so he must have been an all rounder.

I dunno, but I think we do have quite alot of evidence to show that T.rex was quite a formidible predator. Trained killer? You have to be either really lucky or good to take on a Triceratops from the pointy end...and win.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


Let's not kid ourselves here, folks . . . dinosaurs fighting in JP is a SPORT. Every dino that's did what the dinos (Execept T-man) do in JP (tm) has recieved an ArseWhupin'(tm). Spinosaurus's got length, he's got fame from recent dinosaur movies, he has the mean look in the movie, and soon he'll have T-man's foot up his arse.

You want to talk about previous records? In the late cretacious (That's the near the KT boundiary) T.rex was kicking the arses of gigantic ceratopsian(tm) herbivores. If you know anything about the big ceratopsians, you know that they are even more elite at killing carnivores than the sauropods. If Spinosaurus had been there, he would have been wondering why the other dinosaurs watching wasn't stopping the fight when they got in to a clinch. T-man is also so good at stealth he could single-handedly escaped custody of the Vietnam Army which managed to hold off even YOUR country's gargantuan war machine, if he was a P.O.W. He recieved the Congressional Medal of Whupin'Arse(tm). and let's face it, they don't exactly give those things away to just anyone.

T-man's got the mental edge. Using the Mind Powers(tm) bestowed to him by his An Advanced Coelurosaur Brain (tm) his mind will be clear. He'll react instantly to Spinosaurus' first snap, block it upward, grabbing the head, twisting it and biting out the jaw joint. As Robert Bakker watches with aproval and begins taking notes, T-man proceeds to pick one of Spino's legs and drive him to the ground. Reaching the mounted position, T-man lets out an insane
"AAAUOUAOAAOAUAOUOAUOAUAOUAOAUOAUAOUAOUAA"(tm)
and proceeds to disfigure poor Rocky, whose promoter, Horner, (incapacitated due to T-man's Insane Scream of Utter Rage(tm) which overloads his ears) does nothing. Rigsby Rex, the ref, has to pull T-man off, stopping the fight. Spino goes down in 20 seconds. Pay Per View head office is the victim of a bomb sent from angry viewers the next day.

from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


"pterodactyles have big claws on their feet(some big birds have actually killed with their claws) and big beaks to stab people, so they could easily kill you."

Well, I seriously doubt they could do alot of damage. They certianly weren't hunters of big prey like moder raptors and I seriously suspect they would have extreme difficulty in killing humans unless they got lucky and gouged an artery or something. Humans are just too tough, strong and powerful for these fragile fish hunting lizards. And what can they do with their feet claws? They can't come in and strike us easily, given they were mainly gliders and not good flappers (hence they can't lift us). And they are next to useless on the ground (where we have even more advantages!). Humans are just too powerful for them!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


"I wonder how a T-Rex would do during a boxing match?!!!!!! HEE! HEE! HEE! :0"

I found this brilliant answer in the voting page where a person states how T.rex could have done during a boxing match:

"Carcharodontosaurus is in his home element here, being so brash and bold to challange T.rex. He will waste no time in running over and pounding on T.rex. Since all he knows is biting and ramming, he will do this by biting and ramming poor T.rex repeatedly all over his body. T.rex will not offer any resistance at first, because he does not believe in starting fights and does not understand why he was dragged out of the his hunting grounds *again*. Fortunately for the Tyrannosaur, the bites will not hurt him much (Tyrannosaurs are known for thier toughness after all), causing only a slow journey into semi-consciousness from the constant pounding to the head. Once there, he will start having flashbacks from his hatchinghood, and, believing that he is being bullied by bigger dinosaurs when he was small and young and could not defend himself, he will finally Snap.

With a quick, two-handed jab to Carcharodontosaurus' midsection, this trained killer will pull both of Carcharodontosaurus' lungs out from his stomach. As Carcharodontosaurus looks down in uncomprehending (can he look any other way?) shock, T.rex will slip the lungs over his arms like boxing gloves to argument them and begin bludgeoning Carcharodontosaurus until he falls, gasping, to the mat.

At this point, Carcharodontosaurus will start having flashbacks from all the fights in his life, finally wrapping up with everyone who has died fighting T.rex, beckoning him. The entire flashback sequence will take approximately twenty minutes. And Carcharodontosaurus dies, another victim of the "I must try to beat T.rex" syndrome. T.rex stands over the body of Carcharodontosaurus and waves those lungs as the crowd goes wild before heading back to secure another meal of Hardosaurus.

This is for the Tyrant Lizard King.
from Tim B., age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001 "

Cool eh.

I don't think Spinosaurus was 33 feet long. By good estimates, I think he's the longest theropod by a reasonable margin at 45-50 feet, but he was by no means the largest. Compairing Spinosaurus to the "normal" theropod is a little like compairing Diplodocus to Brachiosaurus. Being longer does not mean that the animal is larger. But of course, I doubt Spinosaurus could have put up a great fight against a bruiser like T.rex, given his morphlogy. In fact, I suspect he may have faced some measure of predation by shorter but larger and certainly fiercer carnivores like Carcharodontosaurus. Spinosaurus simply lacks the morphlogy to do alot of damage. (I seriously doubt he could tackle an aircraft like he did in the movie) And the spino in JP3 is not totally wrong, it just had alot of elements in its morphlogy altered to make it extremely mean, something he of course was...not.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


The spinosaurus has a cousin;Altispinix of corse but not as powerful the diemetrodon was like a cousin of the 2 but slower!The spinosaurus looks scary but want a bet that t-rex was scarier?Well t-rex killed rival males and sometimes ate them alive.On the other side,spinosaurus wounded each other and displayed their sail but one might get angry and tear the other's sail though one might get killed and tha's almost as bad.
from Donovan c...(same initial as "c." but long form"), age 11, ?, singapore, ?; July 9, 2001
Sorry, Donovan, I can't post last names. JC


Oh tell us the ending Sauron, we wound want you to spoil the movie!
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 9, 2001


And Scott, that why it is called a Sci-fi, so it is supposed to be fictional so it can fun. But I don't know if the movie will fun.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Hey Scott, check your dino data. They have found spinosaurs up to 50 ft. and probaly weight 4 tons, and that is not from Jack Horner; that is from a bunch of websites. Hey just doens't weight as much as the T-rex. And Honkie, pterodactyles have big claws on their feet(some big birds have actually killed with their claws) and big beaks to stab people, so they could easily kill you.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Sorry, about what I said but I read your May section and I just laughed at what you all said. I just had to say something about your little comments about dinsaur cloning. Now onto Jurassic Park3. It is a movie full of BS. I hate the fact that they made the Spinosaurus bigger than the T-Rex. The Spinosaurus grew to a maximum of 33 ft tall while T-Rex grew to 39 ft tall. It's True It's True.
from Scott, age 14, Columbia, Richland, USA; July 8, 2001


You are all crazy. Creating an actual true dinosaur clone is possible but containing them is impossible. You may think you can contain but you can't. There are too many factors to ad into the equations. One you don't know how they actually acted. Two you you don't know if what you feed them is alright for them to eat, you might end up killing them. Plus you can't raise them to be true dinosaurs because they would be nothing more than unpredictable copies that have no idea who or what they are and how to act. They would be false dinosaurs.
from Scott, age 14, Columbia, Richland, USA; July 8, 2001


For those who say the spinosaurus sail was too small, his sail was only 6 ft high, try picturing that on a 40-50 ft. animal. Oh, and where does it say that spinosaurus was 60 ft. and weighed 12 tons. Because I think u guys are thinking about the model Stan Winston built(Which is made out of metal and some other materials). And spino and barynox are related.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Well, from reading the "junior novelization" of JP3 in B.Dalton, the tyrannosaur-spinosaur battle is a brief part of the movie. I forgot the details of the fight, but I remember the ending..."the Spinosaur clamped down on T-Rex's throat." Unfortunately the people don't see what happens next as they take advantage of the situation and flee both titans. But later we see the Spinosaur again, so I assume the T-Rex lost... >=(
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Humps don't have to be heavy. A _Spinosaurus_ hump wouldn't be a massive lump, probably just a thickened ridge. The bones of the vertebral projections probably wouldn't be visible as if there were a sail, however (contrary to JP3 and most _Spinosaurus_ restorations). Bones that support sails don't need to be as thick and sturdy as the _Spinosaurus_ hump bones--just look at the spines of _Dimetrodon_ to see what sail projections look like.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


How the heck would people making these comments know this much about the t-rex and spinosaurus. How the heck would they know what spinosaurus ate, or if the T-rex is a trained killer. They are making dumb guesses on animals they have never seen or don't know all the much about.
from T-man, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


For those who think the spinosaurus wouldn't stand a chance against the t-rex. Well, the spinosaurus is bigger, so it has a good chance.
Get your facts straight.

from trey, age 17, Pineville, MO, United States; July 8, 2001


Yep, thats my brother, alright!!
from Katie V., age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 8, 2001


I wonder how a T-Rex would do during a boxing match?!!!!!! HEE! HEE! HEE! :0
from Anthony V., age 13, Tabernacle, NJ, US; July 8, 2001


Who won in that fight in JP3, the spinosaurus or the rex?
If they made the spinosaurus win I'm not watching the stupid movie.

from some guy, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Because the spinosaurus's sail, wouldn't the fragile fin thing be a handicap? There is no way the spines would have supported a hump because theropods tend to keep their forms as light as possible even if they are 4-6 tons.
from some guy, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Is Rigby's rex real? How much bigger was it compared to the "normal" rex? Where can I go to find out more?
from some guy, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


I know a hands down winner even against 5,000,000,000 of (your challenger here) Goijira a.k.a Godzilla. With his superior healing capabilities, size, and world renound nuclear blast he untouchable. But if not that me with equipment of my choice and a location of my choice or one or the other! fwuh huh huh huh hu huh haa. omph HA! oh yeah the guy how says t-rex is your winning verdict how would you like to meet one face to hidious (yours) face! just kidding (about the face part) i think L.T. I HAVE SAM NEILL'S AUTOGRAPH!!! HA HA HA
from Russlander, age enough, The Lair, Russland, na, RUSSLAND; July 8, 2001


Earlier I posted a message about Dinosuchus being 60ft.Did I get any
repies?

from CameronW., age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


Why JP3 shouldn't be watched:

Story of JP: Guy tries to take embryos from Jurassic Park and bad things happen because of that.

Story of JP2: People try to take dinosaurs from Stite B and bad things happen because of that.

Story of JP3: People obviously try to steal something in the movie and bad things happen because of that.

As you can see, there is really nothing special in the plotline of JP3 at all. Instead, I think its one movie too many and has served to be a platfrom for us to mock how little these people who spend millions of dollars to make these movies know about dinosaurs in the first place. It's a multi-million dollar show about dinosaurs with greatly inaccucrate dinosaurs... what a joke.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 8, 2001


And you see, the case builds against Spinosaurus when we discover T.rex in actual fact was not even larger and bulkier, it was also much more stronger, faster and likely more intelligent and aglie. Now that's bad for Spinosaurus. Spinosaurus was bad, but the Brachy is bad too....gggrrrr what did it do? Get its front legs fixed behind and its neck broken?

My verdict: T.rex would have Spinosaurus (and just about every other carnivorous dinosaur) for breakfast. Spinosaurus must be out of his mind to take on T.rex without all the cheesy fakeness of JP3.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001


As I said, the morphlogy of Spinosaurus prevents him from attacking large prey effectively.(It's like saying a housecat can take on an kill a goat) If you pit him against an animal that was desgined to take out large animals with one bite, I'm quite sure he dosen't stand too much of a chance.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001


OK, never mind, I know the Pterodactyl wasn't a dino....DUH!!!! (HA HA Don't Worry I'm OK!) 8)
from Katie V., age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 7, 2001


A Teradactyl or Pterodactyl (Whatever) isn't a dino, or is it? Help!!
from Katie V., age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 7, 2001


I agree Brad, the Brachiosaurus looks bad. The second raptor looks cool though.
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001


excuse me, but how do any of u guys know wat Spinosaurus ate.
he culd have eaten triceratops as a little snack rite after supper!
ppl automatically assume that becuz t-rex is bulkier, spino will lose.
well, for all we know spino culd be wiry.

from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 7, 2001


DW, I totally agree that they shouldn't have even bothered making a JP3. I mean, the 1st one was cool, the 2nd was alright I guess, but a 3rd one? I think they're taking it too far. But hey, thats my opinion.
from ?, age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 7, 2001


I think I'm going to have nightmares about that spinosaur, Chandler! Great work!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 7, 2001


do htmls work here?
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001
Yes. JC


"You mean you consider a 12-ton and 60-foot estimate not too far from the more realistic extimate of 4-5 tons and 45-50 feet???!!!"

I didn't know he was that big. 12 tons is stupidly large. The shape of the JP3 spinosaur didn't bother me, and to be honest it still doesn't. I don't think it's the poorest depiction of a dinosaur in JP history.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 7, 2001


I drew a _Spinosaurus_ too (Dino Pictures board) but its neck is too long and S-shaped. Oh, well, I liked the pose so I posted it anyways.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001


I notice that Horner often shows a certain distaste with T. Rex. Just read the production notes on the JP3 site, under the section "The New Guy."
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 7, 2001


Triceratops Was Faster Than T-Rex,Lillian.T-Rex Fans Are Weaker Than Anybody.I Don`t Like T-Rex Because I`m Tired Of This Stamping "T-Rex Is My Favorate" All Over DinoVote.
from euoplacephulus, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 7, 2001


This "Brachiosaurus" toy from JP/// looks awfully awful.....

http://www.geocities.com/jptoyscentral/wavetwolg.html
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 7, 2001


"I didn't think the JP/// Spinosaurus was very far from the truth until we started discussing it here! "

You mean you consider a 12-ton and 60-foot estimate not too far from the more realistic extimate of 4-5 tons and 45-50 feet???!!!
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Spinosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus rex is a lame fight!

Tyrannosaurus rex's experience in killing and maiming is the critical factor. Spinosaurus has never killed anything really big beside fish. Tyrannosaurus rex are trained killing machines, and they don't need arms. They are the MacGyvers (tm) of death. They can strangle you with your own tail, beat you to death with your own foot, or impale you on a nearby tree.(Of course they could also bite you to death) Spinosaurus would be choking on his own blood before he could say "Hey! Now that wasn't really fair!".
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Does anyone else think that they shouldn't have made JP3?
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


HAHA! Good one Honkie! I think my Singlish rating is "bad", going from the passage. How about the rest? Catch no ball ah?

Once again, Tyrannosaurus was faster than Triceratops and could kick his arse about anytime, one on one. Unless he was unlucky (or the Triceratops lucky) or he was inexperienced.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Hey that Spino looks pretty good, no steriod enhanced 8-foot skull, 12-ton madness! I just don't buy the JP||| Spino, it's VERY far from the truth. For example, I don't think it can even do half of what it could do in the movie!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Woops...I based my idea of Spinosaurus not having steroscopic vision on the skulls of other Spinosaurs like Baryonyx walkeri and prehaps Suchomimus tenerensis? Those dinosaurs did not have vision overlap in the range for steroscopic vision but I doubt that's an disadvantage, as many predators of fish lack steroscopic vision. Alligators lack steroscopic vision too. My guess is, Spinosaurus wasn't exactly a distance-judger, relying on his wider field of vision to spot a fish and than using his long jaw to reach out and spear it. In that case, steroscopic vision would be useful, but not necessary. Animals with shorter jaws like Tyrannosaurus would have required some form of depth perception to strike. I'm not sure about the Allosaurids though, the certainly did not have steroscopic vision and I'm not sure how they really judged distance. Mabye they weren't that good in their aim, just rushing in to slam their upper jaws down on their prey. I don't know! .

"I didn't think the JP/// Spinosaurus was very far from the truth until we started discussing it here! Now it almost seems to be a fictional monster that stole the name of a completely different animal!"

I think that's what it is!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


What You Don`t Know Is Triceratops Was Faster Than T-Rex.T-Rex Ran 20 MPH And Triceratops Ran 35 MPH.I Mean,A Triceratops Was T-Rex`s Enemy.When T-Rex Attacked Triceratops,The Triceratops Would Come Charging At T-Rex.This Is A T-Rexes Last Moment.
from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 6, 2001


How inaccurate is my Spinosaurus picture? (Dino Pictures)

I didn't think the JP/// Spinosaurus was very far from the truth until we started discussing it here! Now it almost seems to be a fictional monster that stole the name of a completely different animal!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 6, 2001


"Correct me if I am wrong, but does the JP3 Spinosaurus looks like it has steroscopic vision? I've seen the toy and didn't quite think about it until I realized that Spinosaurs did not have steroscopic visio!"

I don't think we can tell if it had stereoscopic vision, because I don't think the back of the skull (including the oribts) has been found, just the jaws. As most dinosaurs did not have stereoscopic vision, you're probably right to believe that Spinosaurus didn't either. But if Spinosaurus hunted fish, as many believe, judging distances (depth in the water) would be a great advantage.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 6, 2001


Actually, the Spinosaurus in JPIII is not as fictional as you think, I did feature a similar 60-foot, 10 ton Spinosaurus in eposide 4 of Dino Warz 1. If you look carefully, you'll realize that my Spinosaurus fits the description of the JPIII one rather well, a Horner-inspired-carnivore. (correct me, but does Horner seem obsessed with knocking T.Rex down?) Of course, the Spinosaurus in Dino Warz was cheating by taking steriods and other drugs to get him to his size, so my conclusion is, if you see a Spinosaurus at that scale, the people behind the match are cheating. Therefore, the JPIII Spinosaurus must be cheating! *Gasp! We didn't know that! :0

I think I should copyright my DinoWarz characters, too many people are using them in the way their creator, me, never intended. Remember guys, please do not use Sue tm. , Suzie tm. and Sue Imperator tm. in your stories without my permission. Also copyrighted are Tinker tm. , Dakota tm. , Stan tm. and Stephen tm.

(Note, these Tyrannosaurus are not the same Tyrannosaurus as the fossils, they are the Tyrannosaurus in the DinoWarz universe!)
from Billy Macdraw, age 19, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


This post is rated G, for a general audience.

Test your Singlish with the follow commentary ah. See if your Singlish very the powderful:

Spinosaurus pia chui with T.rex, who will win?

We see in JayPee"tree", got Spinosaurus want to pia chui with T.rex. The movie show T.rex got lose, but got such thing a not? The movie most likey kayu one, got match fixing one. This fight refree kayu one, confirm kaylong one. Also ah, it looks like the directoor of der movie only want to swan T.rex and the Spinosaurus tua kang one, no fair one, like that one win oreddy lor!

So is they really fight without kaylonging the match, who will win? Lets not put too much chimlogy here so people can udderstand what we arr saying. But I think this match is not so even, so the result is not tikam-tikam one. We must duddy both dinosaur very closely too see who will win. Let we all look at T.rex first okie?

What we know T.rex very the powderful one. He muscle all very big and much, so he must be strong strong. He theef also all big big...can KRUSSH bone one. Very power sia! Also, his nose very heng to be ho one, so he can smell very far. His eye all steady one, face forward, can see deep can see shallow. His jaw also very der strong one, so he can hoot and hamtam things very hard one. We see in Jurashic Park he hoot the car until it lau pok chia, got orrchea all over the place. We also noe from T.rex skelerton that he also like to pia chui with other T.rex. But he very the hard to kill one, becos he very heng and tuff. T.rex confirm pah buay si one! T.rex saht saht boh chio leh!

Now lets look at Spinosaurus. He jaw thin thin week week one, his bone all olso thin thin week week one. He legs orr so short, how too lun fast? His jaw so week, how to hoot things borperly? Also his eyeball all on the side, confirm pah chaio one, how to see to hoot broperly? The JayPeetree movie only sakat sakat him one, but dey all salah one. Spinosaurus not so der powerful one. I think he sakat sakat by them until he psyco that's why he want to pia chui with T.rex.

Now if dey fight, I dink people who say Spinosaurus will win can go fly kite. Spinosaurus beat T.rex? Dan jui jui eh. Spinosaurus can hoot T.rex, but T.rex so tough pah buay si one. If Spinosaurus siao ting tong try to kao beh kao bu and guail lan with T.rex, T.rex kenna swan confirm very buey song and will tekan Spinosaurus one. If Spinosaurus still so blur dun balek kumpung, he will kenna hoot until he go up lorry. T.rex will KRUSSH his bone until he die from it man. Spinosaurus want to fight confirm kena sai one! T.rex confirm bite and punchear Spinosaurus skin one, Spinosaurus confirm die one. Like that win already lor. But you see Spinosaurus siao siao, always so hiam want to fight with T.rex, so ai hiam kena sai lah! He olso so mm tzai si confirm kenna hamtam one what! How can he win? We all know T.rex so der powderful, kah kee cho seng lee. Simee kuan eh seng lee wah mana eh chai.

Ok! Moh tuck keng liao!

GRADES

Gauge Your command of Singlish...

Good - Can understand the story and pronounce Singlish correctly Singlish eh sai, steady sia!

Bad - Can understand half story and/or cannot pronounce Singlish properly - Chia Lat

Worse - Don't understand story and/or catch no ball - leow leow, mai ka lang kong you is autentacity Singabolean

Don't understand rating - wah piang, you einglish also confirm dunno one!

Where do you fall?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


I like T.Rex because his mother calls him snoocums
from Timmy, age 9, Cherryfield, maine, USA; July 6, 2001


Look Jason,singaporeams are singaporeans we aren't from britain or americans we speak our own singlish as in singapore engilsh.Its just that way we can't change we'd never speak american english singapore citizens have been doing that for almost hundreds of years.We find it not easy to say perfect english.
from Donovan c., age 11, ?, singapore, ?; July 6, 2001


Refrences for my report:

The JP3 Logosaurus Webpage (Just about the only JP3 webpage that is scientific)

The dinosauricon

An intresting webpage on convergent evolution.

I believe Carnilage Musuem (pardon the spelling) based the reconstruction of Spinosaurus on Allosaurus, given the dirth of info on the real Spino before the other Spinosaurs were discovered. Unfortunately, this Allo-Spino cross has somehow become the accepted way of viewing Spinosaurus and as a result, Spinosaurus was alot more heavily built than in the accucrate version. (I believe Horner is working on the outdated Allo-Spino reconstructions too)

Oddly, most webpages on Spinosaurus are JP3 webpages. I think the amount of misinformation will heavily outnumber the amount of accucrate information on Spinosaurus for a long while...

I still can't find the grossly inaccucrate JP3 dino scale chart.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Hmm...I've also heard that the original Spinosaurus fossil destroyed in WW2 did use some Allosaurus parts to fill in the missing parts. I'm not too sure but I suppose that's possible as Spinosaurus was then regarded to be very closely related to Allosaurus as other Spinosaurs had not been discovered yet. But allow me to extrapolate based on its relatives like Baryonyx walkeri and Suchomimus tenerensis. Alright, the first thing I would notice about Spinosaur morphlogy is that they were indeed quite lightly-built, and I'm going to describe their skulls as almost (allow me to use the term) "laterally compressed". I'm not sure about this, but did Spinosaurus really have large arms? I do not see this in logosaurus diagram and it seems to be more indicative of a relatively short-armed animal. I suppose it could reach the ground with its arms, but I don't think it's going to do too much walking on them.The problem is that the arms are slung below the body, and cannot flap. Because this animal is no kangaroo, rearing up is no possibility either. This severely restricts the use of the strong arms. Also, the arms were slung low under the animal and a thumb claw might have been common to all Spinosaurs.

However, an intresting part of Spinosaur morphlogy is their relatively shallow pubis bone that would have made for a shallow gut, indicating that the animal would have been quite light in life. (For all of you wondering why Giganotosaurus was heavier than Tyrannosaurus even though it was lighter-built, it was because its pubis was deeper, indicating a deeper gut and correspondingly greater bulk. Ironically, this is more of a drawback as Giganotosaurus was less well muscled than Tyrannosaurus and would have been weaker) Spinosaurs also seem to be rather short-limbed when you put them beside other carnivores. It's my suspision that Spinosaurus would have been largely piscivorous and would have also been a threat to small prey (aka. humans like us) but his morphlogy defys him attacking large prey.

My reason for Spinosaurus not being a big-prey hunter is derived mainly from his morphlogy. He was lightly built and was quite ungracile for his size (short legs). Also, his arms, though good for fishing, would have had quite limited use for hunting big prey due to their location. Spinosaurus also, based on limited records and extrapolation from its relatives, would have had a realtively weak bite. Its skull was very lightly built and long, which is a bad engineering solution if you want it to resist large stresses. The upper jaw of Spinosaurids also lacks the renforced construction of Allosaurus fragilis and the other Allosaurus that employed hatchet-slam methods of biting to make up for a weak bite. The extreme kink in the snout between the maxilla and premaxilla, though good for snaring fish, would have added an additional stress point for forces to concentrate, bad news if you are going to bite a large animal to death. The teeth of Spinosaurus, are long and conical, some with microserrations, and little to no recurvature, and would have been good for stabbing small prey, but again, bad for trying to inflict extensive damage to large animals. The teeth of Spinosaurus, coupled with its weak bite, would have caused less damage had it tried to bite than if it was a bite from other dinosaurus like Allosaurus or Tyrannosaurus. All in all, I conclude that Spinosaurus would not have worked great on the killing large animals part.

The length of Spinosaurus is also extremely deceptive when it comes to gauging its true size. This animal had thoracic and caudal vertebrae that are about twice as long as on other theropods. This extended vertebral column adds a huge amount to the length of the animal. It was a laterally thin animal, and had a shallower rib cage, like compsognathids and dilophosaurs. It would have been quite light for its size indeed. I do think we have enough to know that Spinosaurus would have been a smaller (based on bulk, not visual apperance)animal than Tyrannosaurus. A good weight estimate (I'm stating weight here as the length of Spinosaurus is extremely misleading) of Spinosaurus would be 4.5-5 tons (almost 3 times less than the JP3 estimate!). Strengthwise, I suspect Spinosaurus may not have been really strong too. (Certainly not enough to attack a light aircraft like he did in JP3)

All in all, I'd like to conclude that Spinosaurus was not built for the monster role it was intended to play in JP3. Based on all the information I've delved from the net, I seriously suspect Horner's theories about Spinosaurus being the unbeatable superhunter it was are extremly inaccucrate. It's rather ironic how he can draw inverse conclusions from morphlogies built for hunting and morphlogies not built for hunting. (T.rex was a scavenger, Spinosaurus was a hunter?) Well, and yes Leonard, Spinosaurus did not have steroscopic vision.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Singlish is an extremely abreviated form of English mixing several languages, simplifies grammar and horribly mangles pronounciation and syntex.
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Yeah man! Must cre-ate Singaporean iden-ti-ty, hor, or else ah, en-tire world also speak Ang Moh! Then veri sian leh!

;)
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


Hey! I like Singlish lah and I'm gonna use it, ok? Slingish is marsh marsh battar den Ang Mor English bee-cos it cum-mun-ni-cate better, dun believe me? Li peh kenaa kong (Your father tell you, as in literally, "Let me tell you"):

SINGLISH FOREVER!

Why do we insist on using the Queen's English, when Singlish is so much more economical and effective? Compare and see!

When going shopping...

Britons : I'm sorry, Sir, but we don't seem to have the sweater you want in your size, but if you give me a moment, I can call the other outlets for you.
S'poreans: No Stock!

When returning a call...

Britons : Hello, this is Mr Bean. Did anyone page for me a few moments ago?
S'poreans: Hello, siang ka pager? (Who paged?)

When someone is in the way...

Britons : Excuse me, I'd like to get by. Would you please make way?
S'poreans: Lai, siam! or Siam, hor! or Skius!

When someone offers to pay...

Britons : Hey, put your wallet away, this drink is on me.
S'poreans: No-nid. (no need)

When asking for permission...

Britons : Excuse me, but do you think it would be possible for me to enter through this door?
S'poreans: (while pointing at door) Can or Not?

When asking to be excused...

Britons : If you would excuse me for a moment, I have to go to the gents/ladies. Please carry on without me, it would only take a moment.
S'poreans: Go toilet. Cannot tahan oreddy.

When entertaining...

Britons : Please make yourself right at home.
S'poreans: Don't shy, leh!

When doubting someone...

Britons : I don't recall you giving me the money.
S'poreans: Where got?

When declining an offer...

Britons : I'd prefer no to do that, if you don't mind.
S'poreans: Doe-waaaan.

When deciding on a plan of action...

Britons : What do you propose we do now that the movie's sold out & all the restaurants are closed?
S'poreans: So how?

When disagreeing on a topic of discussion...

Britons : Err. Tom, I have to stop you there. I understand where you're coming from, but I really have to disagree with what you said about the policy.
S'poreans: Talk cock, lah you!

When asking someone to lower their voice...

Britons : Excuse me, but could you please lower your voice, I'm trying to concentrate over here.
S'poreans: Eh, tiam, can or not?

When asking someone if he/she knows you...

Britons : Excuse me, but I noticed you staring at me for some time. Do I know you?
S'poreans: See what?

Cool eh?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 6, 2001


"I've noticed some of you Singaporeans are using Singlish here, can you please use perfect queen's english?"

Why? And what on Earth does he mean by "Singlish?"
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 5, 2001


Is it just me, or does the Spinosaur in JP3's logo look like Baryonx?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 5, 2001


Brad, that looks like a Greg Paul restoration but I'm not sure...I don't think it appears in PDW if it is his at all. A lot of people restore dinosaurs in that method. It does look a lot like Paul's work though (I've seen that restoration before, I have it saved on my computer, and I never knew who did it).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 5, 2001


Everybody is talking about the groosly inaccucrate Spinosaurus eh?

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the JP3 Spinosaurus looks like it has steroscopic vision? I've seen the toy and didn't quite think about it until I realized that Spinosaurs did not have steroscopic visio!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 5, 2001


I've noticed some of you Singaporeans are using Singlish here, can you please use perfect queen's english?
from SGE (Speak Good English), age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 5, 2001


"Uh oh... there's something wrong with the Stromer restoration. The ribs belong to those of Allosaurus!"

_Dinosaurs: The Encyclopedia_ (Glut 1997) includes four diagrams for Spinosaurus- three dorsal vertebrae, lateral and dorsal views of the dentary, a right dorsal rib, and two teeth. The rib (like all other diagrams for Spinosaurus) is indicated as being from the holotype. It's a good illustration, with cross-sections indicating the circumference of the rib in two places. If you are correct, then the following conditions must have occurred:
a) Stromer illusrated an imaginary or irrelavent specimen
b) Glut reproduced an irrelavent illustration
I don't think that's likely, but I suppose errors are possible. There is no mention of ribs in the description or diagnosis of the holotype, so perhaps you may be correct. What's the source of your information?

"Prehaps the veterbre found indicated that Spinosaurus had a rahter shallow chest."

They're described as "compressed", although Glut doesn't say which way they were compressed. The vertebrae are long (19-21 cm), so I'm guessing they were laterally compressed, which agrees with your hypothesis.

"(He was certainly lighter built than Allosaurus, where he got his ribs anyway) I not sure about the eigth caudal centra, but if memory serves, the extraordinary length of the tail came about after that piece was found to be significantly longer and lighter than the adverage therepod tail, indicating it had a very long tail."

The tail is ignored in the diagnosis of Spinosaurus. How well-known are the tails of the baryonychid spinosaurs?

"But sadly, most of Spinosaurus is actually Allosaurus."

Since carcharodontine allosaurs were living in roughly the same time and place as Spinosaurus, it may be possible that some "Spinosaurus" material might belong to them. How certain is it that the holotype of Spinosaurus even represented one individual?

"The skull however, was almost certainly small based on the dentistry elements we've recovered."

Unfortunately, I haven't found measurements for the dentary (which is not complete!).
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 5, 2001


I dunno about you, but that logosaurus looks extremely fragile when you pair it up against that of T-man or Allosaurus. So what's up with these quotes?

"T.Rex dosen't stand a chance against this thing."
(He dosen't stand a chance if the match is fixed)

"Spinosaurus would have been unbeatable"
(Yeah right, about as likely as a 40-kilo Dactyl picking up a 14 year old kid.)

"This animal was considerably bigger and more vicious than T.Rex"
(How can you tell how vicious an animal is from the bones? We can only tell roughly how deadly it was. And once again, Spinosaurus wasn't that big!)

"We wanted a challanger"
(That's a lame one)

"He was about 60 feet long and had a 8 foot skull"
(That's very strange. How come just about every other paleontolgist is stating a smaller figure? Heck, lets "round it off" the same way and put T-man's length at 55 feet! And lets see...T-man had a seven foot skull? The 60 foot body length and 8 foot skull estimates are blatantly wrong, but they went ahead anyway...>:(

Gggr...I am liking Jurassic Park 3 less and less.
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 5, 2001


Uh oh... there's something wrong with the Stromer restoration. The ribs belong to those of Allosaurus! Prehaps the veterbre found indicated that Spinosaurus had a rahter shallow chest. (He was certainly lighter built than Allosaurus, where he got his ribs anyway) I not sure about the eigth caudal centra, but if memory serves, the extraordinary length of the tail came about after that piece was found to be significantly longer and lighter than the adverage therepod tail, indicating it had a very long tail. But sadly, most of Spinosaurus is actually Allosaurus. The skull however, was almost certainly small based on the dentistry elements we've recovered.
from Leonard, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


"Spinosaurus had well-curved ribs!"

Possibly, but I don't think they were anywhere near as well-curved or as thick as T.rex ribs. And the ribs were quite thin too. I don't see how Spinosaurus fitted Horners' description as a predator. I mean this thing was weak!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


I think it was Horner that acted as the "adviser" for JP3. Isn't the first time got his meat-eaters wrong. Say, if those JP guys say that Utahraptor solves the oversized Velociraptor problem, than why on earth do they keep calling it Velociraptor? And what's up with the JP3 Spinosaurus? I thought we have enough elements to know that it was a significantly smaller animal.
from Spinosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


I dont know how to add a link to this page so here...the address for the Official JP3 site is:

http://jp3.jurassicpark.com/
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


Then who drew this?

http://www.geocities.com/logosaurus/spinosaurus.gif
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 4, 2001


I didn't think Paul restored any spinosaurs in PDW because they are all so fragmentary and he makes a point of trying to never restore very fragmentary dinosaurs. I don't own this book (I've only checked it out from the library) so I can't check, but I don't remember seeing any _Spinosaurus_ life or skeleton restorations (There is some _Baryonyx_ stuff though).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


Spinosaurus had well-curved ribs!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 4, 2001


So I said:
"Where can you buy scientifically accurate models of Spinosaurus? I want one."

And then I got this reply:
"That depends on your knowledge of Spinosaurus anatomy. The problem with Spinosaurus is that the only example was destroyed in WW2 and the brits are just about the only people who have any accucrate records of it."

Why would that be? Spinosaurus was stored in a German museum, not a British one. And the original diagrams can be reproduced in books.

"The problem is, many people have shown Spinosaurus was a big Allosaur with a sail, and without a fossil to confirm this, and with people to lazy to ask the brits for the accucrate shape and size of the animal. It's no surprise Spinosaurus is sometimes the most misrepesented dino around."

I suspect Apatosaurus is usually misrepresented as well.

"But generally if you see a Spinosaurus model with a short tail"

We probably don't know how long Spinosaurus' tail was, since its only known from eigth caudal centra.

"and an allosaur-type head and it has a rounded chest. It's wrong."

Looking at Stromer's diagram of one of the dorsal ribs, Spinosaurus appears to have a very round body. Where did you get the information about the chest?

"I think one of the best and most accucrate Spinosaurus records is found in the book "Predatory Dinosaurus of the World". If a Spino toy don't match that, its trash."

I don't have that book, so I'll have to risk keeping my Spinosaurus toys.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 4, 2001


I don't have Predatory Dinosaurs of the World. Should I pay $200 for a used copy?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 4, 2001


HAPPY JULYYY 4TH!!!!!!!!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, you know the rest, ?; July 4, 2001


I Particully Know More About Dinosaurs Than The T-Rex Fans.
from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 4, 2001


Sauron, it has been confirmed that Ceratosaurus will be in JP3.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 4, 2001


Ultra Intelligent Raptors?

There's some evidence but not anything like enough to support the
primate-level suppositions of JP 1 and 3 (JP2 avoid the subject of raptor intelligence, good move). The evidence consists mostly of well
preserved skulls (Nanotyrranus, for one) and CAT scans. By analyzing
the CAT scan of a skull that was saved from massive damage by being
filled with matrix, a computer can "separate" the matrix and display a
good representation of the brain case. There are also a few brain case casts, I think, from fossils whose bone was destroyed after the matrix hardened.

The size of a creature's brain relative to its body is part of the
intelligence equation; another is the density of cerebral -- oh, rats,
the word just went away but someone else will provide it --"wrinkles."
It's very difficult to determine the latter because fossil casts are
rarely detailed finely enough; but the size of the brain, and the sizes of its various lobes (optic, olfactory, auditory...) relative to the size of the cerebral cortex, can sometimes be reconstructed quite well. These kinds of information can suggest intelligence; estimates based on likening dinosaurs to large birds have suggested that a 'raptor might have been as intelligent as an ostrich.

My info here is all secondhand - I'm awaiting more on this from the people who really know it.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


Wow! Post a link! I wanna see the chart too...(and laugh at it). The people "making sure" the dinosaurs are as accucrate as possible for the movie must set global standards for incompetence, arrogance, sloth, ugliness and uncontrolable flatulance. Believe me, I could say worse.
from A sarcastic dinosaur fan, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 4, 2001


I think the Jurassic Park 3 Spinosaurs is ridiculous. I was over at the JP3 site and came across a "dino-chart" where various JP3 dinos were lined up to compare sizes. The Spinosaur dwarfs Tyrannosaurus! It almost looks as though it could take on the Brachiosaur! Oh well...on the bright side, I noticed some interesting things. On the dino-chart, they feature male and female velociraptors, an ankylosaurus, and a ceratosaurus. Are these dinos going to be in the movie? ....I also noticed that the Stegosaurus and Triceratops both dwarf T-Rex as well...hmmm
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


First of all, can anybody contradict how Bakker makes Utahraptors act
in Raptor Red?How many people love Raptor Red?Where can you find Raptor Red fansites?????!!!!!

from Travis P., age 10, Blossvale, N.Y., U.S.; July 3, 2001


Sorry Brad from Ontario, I thought your name was Brian!
from Josh P., age 12, Blossvale, N.Y., U.S.A.; July 3, 2001


In the book Predatory Dinosaurs of the World by Gregory S. Paul, Paul theorizes that theropods had avian-like lungs, but does not know why they would have such lungs. I have some theories of my own. Number one: Perhaps, due to the immense amount of energy used for a hunt, a theropod would need lungs capable of drawing in the highest concentration of carbon and oxygen from the air. Theory #2:Paul speaks of predators(theropods, again!) tracking a group of sauropods for about 150 miles! For such a trek, a predator would need strong lungs. Does anyone have any other theories on Paul's enigma? If Brian knows, post a note on this site A.S.A.P!!!
from Josh P., age 12, Blossvale, New York, U.S.; July 3, 2001


Who/what is BBD?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 3, 2001


HMMMM.If A T-Rex Could Kill A Spinosaurus,A Allosaurus Could Kill A T-Rex.He Could Sneak Up To T-Rex,And Since He Was Too Tall To Fight Him,Allosaurus Would Bite Off His Arms.A Eustryptospondylus Was Smaller And He Could Do The Same To Allosaurus As Allosaurus Did To T-Rex.Size Does Matter.You`ll Be Surprised But The Smaller Carnivores Do Weller.Compsognathus Will Survive Better.He Survived The Extinction.He`s The One Who`s The Commonest Bird Today!Unfortunly,A Stegosaurus Could Travel To The South Pole And Become A Penguin.
from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 3, 2001


"Where can you buy scientifically accurate models of Spinosaurus? I want one."

That depends on your knowledge of Spinosaurus anatomy. The problem with Spinosaurus is that the only example was destroyed in WW2 and the brits are just about the only people who have any accucrate records of it. The problem is, many people have shown Spinosaurus was a big Allosaur with a sail, and without a fossil to confirm this, and with people to lazy to ask the brits for the accucrate shape and size of the animal. It's no surprise Spinosaurus is sometimes the most misrepesented dino around. But generally if you see a Spinosaurus model with a short tail and an allosaur-type head and it has a rounded chest. It's wrong. I think one of the best and most accucrate Spinosaurus records is found in the book "Predatory Dinosaurus of the World". If a Spino toy don't match that, its trash.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


Hi! I really like this site, it's really informative and it helps a lot with homework!
from Claire R, age 11, ?, ?, England; July 3, 2001


BBD is a perfect example of what Honkie is doing to me. I was outraged at what i saw in the archives! BBD was not doing anything wrong to speak of. I kind of like his raptor theory. I don't want to burst anyones bubble but Jim Farlow said if t-rex ran over (20mph.) it would not be able to stop it's self. Thus if it tripped it would smash it's head and die. Note:The arms of a t-rex were too tiny to break the fall. Now i'm going to say the same thing that BBD said: GET OFF MY CASE!!!
from Sean.S, age 13, i won't tell, ?, U.S.A; July 3, 2001


Go to http://gavinrymill.com/dinosaurs/carnivores/ for a picture of how Spinosaurus really measures up. For the first time, it presents a somewhat accucrate picture of Spinosaurus as it really was. The size and weights estimates/illustrations of Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus are somewhat outdated though. Giganotosaurus was certainly not 14 meters long. It seems to be a rounded up figure. Giganotosaurus was actually 13.3-13.5 meters (44 feet) long. And the 8 ton estimate seems a little inflated too. 7 seems somewhat more accucrate. And its quite unlikely Carcharodontosaurus hit 7.5 tons. Obviously the JP3 guys weren't doing their research too well.
from Spinosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


Heh heh. Horner could be putting forward his theory of 100% T.rex scavenger because the hardosaurs are his fave and he wants to take a dig at their main predators.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


I've been doing some research into Spinosaurus to uncover the real animal behind the JP3 movie. The first thing I noticed was, the original reconstructed skull only measured 80+ cm! Spinosaurus had a very small head for its size (because of the large arms?)! In fact, Allosaurus actually had a larger skull. Also, Spinosaurus had very much less teeth than shown in the movie and those teeth were certainly much smaller. The moster 1.8 meter head in the movie is certianly wrong and it looks like it got patched from Deinosuchus and had the teeth replaced with T.rex maximilla!

Oh yes, the Spino is also way too big and heavily built. It's painful to look at! Help!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


If memory serves, I think Rigby did uncover two specimens. One normal rex and the largie virtually everyone is wrongly calling the species "T.Imperator" (That's actually a nickname). If memory also serves Rigby has uncovered some skull elements from the larger specimen and they are large indeed, about 5 percent larger than the Horner rexes that are not small themselves. Oddly enough though, despite the scaled down estimates, Rigby's rex would have had a public bone that's still quite large for its size. (When the pubic bone was first dug up, estimated lengths for the animal hit 60 feet!) And odd animal, but undoubtly a 50 foot Tyrannosaurus rex osborn.
from Leonard, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


I found these shots of JP/// online. Plz give comments (or bash them, up 2 u)

http://www.ingennet.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000518
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


Hehehe.. Honkie's right, the Animatronic Spino is only Sing $80 here, approx. US $40.
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 3, 2001


Respect isn't an obligation Sean, it has to be earned. I'm afraid you have done little to deserve it.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


I read recently that the Rigby specimen may actually be two animals; though they found a gigantic pubic bone (133 cm! Giganatosaurus had 118 cm), the rest of the bones are just average sized. They don't know if its two animals or one with a strange abnormality. I personally think its two animals. An average sized Rex with a greatly oversized pubic bone is too amusing to contemplate.
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Hmm, actually I think there has been a Spinosaurus vs. T.rex number in DinoWarz 4 where Sue fights a 60 foot, steriod-enhanced Spinosaurus and kicks his butt.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Woops, I mixed it up again. What I saw was actually the poseable Spino. Oddly enough though, the JP3 toys are made in china or what and cost less to import here as we are only 2,000 km south of them and you guys are 16,000 km away.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Hmmm. I can see that i was a little too vicious. I'm sorry if i was rude Honkie Tong. But sometimes i think you'r instigating these debates though. You seem to deny everything i say. Also you agree with my enemies. And to top it off you seem to look foward to debates. You'r also the same guy who said dinosaurs could effect us from an island if we recreated them. Sometimes i don't think you have any respect for me. Whats up with this?
from Sean.S, age 13, i won't tell, ?, U.S.A; July 2, 2001


I have read Dinosaur Heresies by Robert T. Bakker. One theory presented by Bakker involves the nasal cavity of Diplodocus. The nose is located on the forehead. The same is shown in the skull of the modern elephant. Since elephants have trunks, Bakker theorizes that Diplodocus could have also had such an appendage. I was wondering how many people think the theory is plausable and how many think that it is a radical thought. I personally think it is possible.
from Josh, age 12, Blossvale, New York, United States; July 2, 2001


Interesting question, Jason. I think Robert Bakker is one of the best paleo-artists in the world! His theories are entirely possible, and I don't strongly disagree with him on anything- except perhaps he did go to far with the intelligent, emotional Utahraptor of Raptor Red. But that was fiction anyway. John Horner is most talked about for his Tyrannosaurus therories, but he's a hadrosaur expert. I don't feel personally offended by Horner calling Tyrannosaurus a scavenger, and I don't care if its right.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 2, 2001


It probably depends on how you define crocodiles.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 2, 2001


"The Singaporean currency is the Sing $. It's conversion is approximately 1 US:1.8 Sing (I think)."

1 US= 1.5 Canadian, approximately. Shouldn't the animatronic Spino cost $90 Sing (more than in Canada)?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 2, 2001


I accept that Segnosauridae is a junior synonym of Therizinosauridae. It's Segnosauria vs. Therizinosauroidea that's debatable. But how can an 'implied' taxon be valid?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 2, 2001


"Man, its almost painful too look at the JP3 shots and toys and compair them to the scientifically accucrate models I have back home."

Where can you buy scientifically accurate models of Spinosaurus? I want one.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 2, 2001


Does anyone know of any summer camps revolving around dinosaurs?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 2, 2001


Brad, aren't crocs almost as old as dinos? If not, just as old?
from Katie V., age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 2, 2001


I don't think a human would be too filling to a dinosaur! Especially T-Rex!!
from Katie V., age 14, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; July 2, 2001


Out of curiosity, what do you all think of Robert Bakker and John Horner here? I for one think that Bakker is taking his ideas to close to extreme, making dinosaus seem like the most advanced creatures(besides us and primates)known, and Horner's idea of T-rex being completely a scavenger is not WRONG, nessicerally just not plausible enough for me.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 2, 2001


No, it's not based on genera, it's just that when _Therizinosaurus_ was discovered, it was given its own group, the Therizinosauridae. I just thought saying the date of the description of _Therizinosaurus_ was a good indicator of when Therizinosauridae was created. Segnosauria was made a new group because the scientists who described _Segnosaurus_ thought it was different from the therizinosaurs, but it wasn't and the two groups were synonymized.
And actually Therizinosauroidea was implied by Maleev in 1954 (earlier than Segnosauria which couldn't be created at least until _Segnosaurus_ was described in 1979).

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


I agree that humans would be easier to catch than other dinosaurs, but it seems such a waste of energy to chase them around like in the movies. That reminds me, Bill, if you are going to do another Dino Warz, I think a T-rex vs. Spinosaur number would be intersting!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 2, 2001


" 3)Of course, it would have been quite unlikely for Spinosaurus to pose a serious threat to T.rex (And I'm not saying this becaus ehe's my favourite) "

Don't worry, I'm not going to argue. Spinosaurus is my favourite dino but I'm quite sure he's not gonna come anywhere close to beating T-Rex. For one thing, Spinosaurus wasn't built to be really mean in the first place. His sail made him bigger and that's why I like him. But he's really not an animal built to destroy and kill like T-Rex. The real T-Rex has a long list of advantages over Spinosaurus when it comes to combat and I really don't see anyway for it to lose to Spinosaurus. But I'm afraid the fight in JP3 is rigged, with a Spinosaurus grossly misrespented to make him "look" like he could put up a fight at the expense of scientific accuracy. But looking at it seriously, Spinosaurus was not built to handle T-Rex, and there's no way it can win by a long shot. I really wished they made T-Rex win this one, as it would be more realistic, but you know movie makers.

But movies like JP are a poor parody of all the research gone into dinosaurs. I kinda think the big fight between Spinosaurus would be more fun to watch with T-Rex propelled through the roof by a Spinosaurus kick only to perform a death defying gymnastics display on live power lines, then narrowly catch hold of an out of control helicopter and finally crash land into the arena without getting a scratch. Afterwards, T-Rex hams it up for the camera. Spinosaurus is just hamburger. Well, if they took so many liberties with reality? Why can't they do that?

Don't get me wrong, Spinosaurus was built to inflict harm and he was no pushover, but T-Rex was simply built to kill brutally and quickly, and that goes a long way. I would have loved to say that Spinosaurus really was the way it was in JP3, but I know that simply isn't true.
from Spinosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Euoplacephulas knows squat about dinosaurs, particuarlly T.REX.
from Ankylosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


You know something odd? The Spinosaurus on the JP dinosaur guide being advertised here is actually accucrate!
from Eventisaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Hmm, after the raptors in JP3 make a human kill, wouldn't it provide them enough food to leave off the rest for a while? They seem to be hounding the humans for the entire show. And how much of an apperence does rexy make? I heard he was reduced to a supporting role to the falsified Spinosaurus.
from Colin G., age 14, Cameron Highlanda, ?, Malaysia; July 2, 2001


"It's also likely a human being can take on and kill a Quetzalcoatlus, if he's good. A few teck-won-do moves that can crack wooden blocks will have no trouble with breaking Quetzalcoatlus' light bones and doing him severe harm, but I digress. Looks like we are not so wimpy after all, we can take on animals 10 times our size and win! "

In a way you are right, human beings are not as soft and easy to kill as commonly thought. Martial arts were first developed as a form of defense against wild animals and our ancestors likely, if not surprised, could have put up enough of a fight to deter a predator like a leopard or even kill it. Unfortunately, fighting wild animals have lost its importance and we are not rather focused on fighting each other. But throughout modern history, there have been a sprinkling cases of people actually fighting and killing predators like leopords hnd-to-hand, though they all sustained serious injuries, and one guy actually took on a lion and drove it away. It's not something you should try, but its good to know we are not that easy to kill. Give me a weapon anytime though.
from Colin G., age 14, Cameron Highlands, ?, Malaysua; July 2, 2001


I do think that the Pteranodons could kill a human. Look at the size of their beaks. Do u think Tae Kwan Do will do u any good when a big flying reptile comes down on you at dive-bomb speed?

The Singaporean currency is the Sing $. It's conversion is approximately 1 US:1.8 Sing (I think).
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


Leonard, do you know a 48.3 foot Tyrannosaurus is very, very scary? Tyrannosauridae is obviously the strongest and fastest large dinosaurian predators in proportion to its size, way above all the Allosauridae, Spinosauridae and Carcharodontosaurinae. And a 48.3 foot Tyrannosaurus would not only be LARGER than the largest of the giant carnosaurs ever found, it would have a significant advantage given its better lethality to size ratio, it will be more than a match for the carnosaurs like the gigantic Allosaurs, even if they were over 55 feet long! My goodness, and then you go on to the Rigsby Tyrannosaurus, at 50 feet! I think it effectively kills all those Giganotosaurus arguments for a long time. Such a Tyrannosaurus will be more than a match for a 60 foot Allosaur, and I don't think there are really such around! Of course, this makes the final, WWF-style rigged scene in JP3 quite absurd if the T-rex loses.

After years of trying to keep those Giganotosaurus alive, its time to put all these arguments to rest. Unless you have a 60 foot giganotosaurus that is. And that unidentified carnosaur they are still digging up is nowhere near that large. In fact, its actually smaller than the Rigsby rex. I hate to say it, but Tyrannosaurus just got meaner. At 50 feet, I really wonder if he really needed to hunt at all. All the smaller Tyrannosaurus in the social group would have let it dine first on a kill, and the giant would be a good deterant against other Tyrannosaurus social groups trying to steal it.

Size is an optical illusion, strength is not.
from Spinosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


The Spinosaurus is wrong wrong wrong. Period.

Looking at the shots given in Dan's JP3 page, an entire glut of faults were found immediately:

1: The sail is way...way...way...way too small.

2: The dinosaur is way...way...way too big, and it should be closer to the ground! It's way too tall for a Spinosaurus. Spinosaurus had a slung out posture. What is this? Godzilla?

3: The head is way too big and the shape is all wrong! And my goodness! Since when did it have 20cm long recurved blades? Spinosaurus teeth were only about 7 cm long and they were relatively narrow and circular for stabbing fish and smaller prey. Not the slicers and dicers we see!

4:Also, Spinosaurus are one of the most lightly built meat eating dinosaurs. In fact, they were even lighter built than the Allosaurids! But from what I see in the screenshots, Spinosaurus had a heavily built body and it looks built more like a Tyrannosaurus! The chest is all wrong, it should nto be so large and curved, it should be thinner. The tail is all wrong too, its way...way too short and stumpy. The legs are fat and the limb proportion is all wrong. Spinosaurus was certainly more gracile than shown in the movie.

5: Spinosaurus is also too tall. The orginal skeleton was close to 45 feet long, but it only stood about 16 feet tall (excluding sail). This animal had an very long and light tail, and most of it was tail.

6: And the orentation of the arms are all wrong too. It's way too far up and its way too big.

Those JP3 guys really messed up my favourite dinosaur! If they wanted to have some lame and unfeasible fight between T-rex and such, they should have thrown in Carcharodontosaurus instead (though I suspect T-rex was capable of beating any other meat-eating dinosaur one-to-one). Man, its almost painful too look at the JP3 shots and toys and compair them to the scientifically accucrate models I have back home. Its really apparent they paid almost no heed to reserch at all. Man!
from Spinosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


To avoid confusion I'll submit my name at the dino fiction as Donovan R. You may see 2 writers because I submmited one as Donovan c.
from Donovan c., age 11, ?, SINGAPORE, ?; July 2, 2001


Yeah, but how exactly could the fraglie, weak and light dactyls actually pose a great threat to a determined human at all? I mean sure, they look big, but they are incredibily fragile for their size. No wonder the birds took over. But you'll think that after surviving so many dinosaur and prehistoric animal attacks, you'll know better than to mess around with their young. Than again, JP3 is all about stupid humans throwing themselves at carnivores and "pretending" to run away for the sake of a show. But the entire concept of JP3 is rather silly really and by all rights should not have happened.

We use Sing dollars in Singapore.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


"There are many carnivoris dinosaurs err reptiles bigger than T-rex.They include Cadrnotodontosaurs,Gigantosaurus,Lioplerodon,Spinosaurus,Elasamasaurus,Kronosaurus and Deinosuchus.Also any sauropod could whip a T-rexs butt"

Erm, "Lioplerodon" (As you spell it", Elasamasaurus and Deinosuchus were not dinosaurs. "Lioplerodon" has been sadly oversized in WWD, it should be around 14 to 15 meters long and about 20-50+ tons? Marine reptiles are much heavier and their weights are hard to estimate.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 2, 2001


I agree that many carnivorous dinosaurs may look on humans as easier food than dinosaurs (in the JP movies) perhaps because they are slower and less armored.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


Q: are there dinosaurs that still exist today
from tee j, wellington, ?, new zealand; June 28, 2001

A: Not unless you count the birds.

Which makes me wonder: Can anyone think of a good reason not to? :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 1, 2001


So it's all based on genera? I don't think that's right, as 'genera' don't seem any more important or meaningful than other taxa (contrary to the countless alphabetic dinosaur books for children). Segnosauria first appeared in 1980, while Therizinosauroidea wasn't used until 1993. But since there isn't any official synonym rules for taxa above 'family' rank, I suppose I can still use Segnosauria- Unless it really bothers you, of course.

At least I'm not insisting that "Segnosaurischia" (proposed as a third suborder in addition to Ornithischia and Saurischia) is the correct term!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 1, 2001


Actually I think Therizinosauria is older since _Therizinosaurus_ was described in 1954 and _Segnosaurus_ wasn't described until 1979. Therizinosauria was used for _Therizinosaurus_ and when _Segnosaurus_ was discovered, a new taxon was made for it. Later, they were synonymized and Therizinosauria took priority, since it was older.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


Oh. Sorry Honkie Tong. So I'll stop(Shouldn't we all?). Alright? Alright.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 1, 2001


Wow. That was a pretty thourough dissection of JP3. Nice work, Honkie Tong!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 1, 2001


Wow, Honkie Tong seems think about JP3 as much as I do! Do you ever visit www.dansjp3page.com?

I knew you lived in Singapore, but I don't know what kind of currency is used there. Is it US$? The only big dinosaur I've seen here is the animatronic Spino', and he does have exposed ribs.

I am equally annoyed by the lack of rock matrix in the fossil excavations. I'm not sure what 'easier prey' there would be on Isla Sorna- compies, perhaps? All of the small herbivores featured in the books (Hypsilophodon, Othnielia, Microceratops, Mussaurus, etc.) haven't been present in the movies. I guess the 'raptors and the spino' could hunt lizards and rats, but that wouldn't be as filling as a human.

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from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 1, 2001


Jason, "Tyrannosaurus imperator" is another nickname for the "Rigby Rex" specimen. While apparently larger than the typical Tyrannosaurus rex, I think it is no longer considered a new species (but I'm not the most knowledgable on Tyrannosaurus!). See Leonard's excellent recent report for likely measurements of this dinosaur.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 1, 2001


"The groups Ornithischia and Segnosaurs evolved "bird-like hips" to allow more room in their abdomens for the fermentation of plant food. How is this not evidence? Couldn't it be possible that birds got this feature from the dinosaurs that might have evolved into them?"

It's possible, but I think the earliest birds were mainly carnivorous (though I admit I don't know a lot about them). Segnosauria is closely related to birds, but is probably not ancestal to them. To introduce a 'raptor questions that has nothing to do with viciousness, does anyone know why Dromaeosauridae acquired bird-like hips? Did they ever have any plant-eating ancestors?

"I have never heard of Therinzosauridae."

Therizinosauridae includes the most derived Segnosauria- animals like Segnosaurus, Erlikosaurus, Therizinosaurus. Alxasaurus and Beipiaosaurus are more primitive segnosaurs excluded from Therizinosauridae. Some people use Therizinosauriodea in place of Segnosauria, although I don't know why because Segnosauria is older.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 1, 2001


I wish we lived when dinosaurs lived so we could study them more.. But the only problem is we might get killed.
from Tyler A., age 13, Marlton, NJ, America; July 1, 2001


T-Rex Was The Clumsiest Dinosaur.You Can Escape It By Being seen As Plain As The Nose On T-Rex`s Face.It Would Look For A Dead Dinosaur.
from Euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 1, 2001


It's also likely a human being can take on and kill a Quetzalcoatlus, if he's good. A few teck-won-do moves that can crack wooden blocks will have no trouble with breaking Quetzalcoatlus' light bones and doing him severe harm, but I digress. Looks like we are not so wimpy after all, we can take on animals 10 times our size and win!

ps:This is to illustrate why size dosen't matter.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


There are many carnivoris dinosaurs err reptiles bigger than T-rex.They include Carnotodontosaurs,Gigantosaurus,Lioplerodon,Spinosaurus,Elasamasaurus,Kronosaurus and Deinosuchus.Also any sauropod could whip a T-rexs butt
from Peter.m, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


"I am new here and have been investigating this seemingly simmering hatred between Sean.S and Honkie Tong."

Woah woah! I don't hate him, it's one sided man! And I can't figure why he has such a big problem with me (And I'm quite sure its not because I'm smarter, nicer, neater, cooler...juz kidding). But you aren't gonna be too popular when you go around insulting people.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


Erm, I live in Singapore. Anyway, I'm kinda pleased with the bigger JP3 toys WITHOUT dino damage coming up. Heck, you pay for a product, you expect it without defect and damage. Purposely putting damage on you products (especially dinosaurs) is not to put it lightly... annoying!

Anyway, I had a close look at the longer JP3 trailers and toys and a couple of faults sprang up immediately to mind:

On people

1)I'm really not sure people are that attractive to dinosaurs as food. Everything on the island seems to be hunting them when there is lots of easier prey about.

2)On the other hand, its quite apparent people don't know any better to stay away from islands with carnivorous dinosaurs living on them... tsk tsk tsk, predictable...

3)The fossil digs in the movie are odd. The fossil they are uncovering seems to be buried in the sand...without a rock matrix.

4)Can't Grant die in the movie? He seems too objective, convicted and poorly-informed on dinosaurs to be a convincing paleontologist.

On Spinosaurus

1)The Spinosaurus is too fat and oversized by about 30-40 percent.Period. For goodness sake, Spinosaurus was a lightly built animal, it did not have the barrel-chest as shown in the movie. And the tail is way too short, the tail should take up about 50-60 percent of the animal's length. (Based on skemetics of the original skeleton)

2)Why the $%# would a Spinosuarus waste so much time and energy on a bunch of humans when there were alot of other food sources so much more energy efficent to obtain?

3)Hmm...the sail is too small on the Spino and it was probably not a sail in the original spino anyway.

4)The Spino's teeth were way too big in the movie. In fact, if you looked at it carefully, Spino had a full jaw of teeth the same size of T. rex's maximlia teeth! And despite showing it in the logo, they have virtually ironed out the cool kink in the jaw of the spino that made it easier to catch fish... to make it more predatory prehaps?

5)It's quite unlikely Spinosaurus could have presented a great threat to the other big carnivores really...

On Raptors

1)Un oh, the movie makes one of the largest mistakes by going against years and years of researh and evidence to protray the raptors as super intelligent in the movie. The raptors were no where near as smart as they were made out to be. To have anywhere near that kind of intelligence as shown in the movie requires alot of adaptations that are simply lacking in the raptor design. Intelligence, not instinctive behaviour requires a highly developed cerebrums, not something you can squeeze into the average reptilian brain. Raptors had brains closer to that of reptiles then of birds, and though braincasts indicate they had advanced cerebrums for a reptile, it is not near that of a bird. A modern day crow could have easily outthought a raptor anytime. The carnivorous dinosaurs, expecially those in coelurosauria were extremely smart for a reptile, but they were certainly not anywhere near as smart as modern mamillian predators and that's a fact. If anything, the later Tyrannosaurids actually have a more complex and developed brian than the dromie family, but we don't see superintelligent T.rexes in JP3 (Rex set a trap...he actually set a trap..). Having a low intelligence dosen't have to hurt the dinosaurs. They were certainly still capable of complex behaviour despite their low iqs, and they were smart for reptiles. Raptor iq should have fallen pretty nicely between that of modern day reptiles and birds, but its time to kill the myth...they were not really smart at all!

2)Where are the feathers?

3)No, its quite unlikely they could set traps and stare at Lea Toni face-to-face without snapping at her immediately on instinct.

4)They seem to expend alot of energy hunting humans, why not go for the dumber and smaller and easier to catch animals?

5)The sickle claws toe in some scenes seem to be way too high and short, its almost like a long, forward facing declaw!

On T.rex

1)This is touchy, I expect them to get my favourite dino right! I'm sick of seeing white, clean, T.rex teeth. What did he do? Brush everyday? He probably had teeth that were roughly in the same condition as modern day komodos, and they are not particuarly clean.

2)Argh...the movie makes virtually no mention of social behaviour in Tyrannosaurus. And the Tyrannosaurus looks too undamaged. Average Tyrannosaurus would have been covered with scars from their antisocial social interations.

3)Of course, it would have been quite unlikely for Spinosaurus to pose a serious threat to T.rex (And I'm not saying this becaus ehe's my favourite)

THIS IS THE BREADWINNER OF JURASSIC PARK PALEO-BLUNDERS!

The idea of the Pterodactyls posing any serious threat to humans is patently absurd! For one thing, they did not have teeth, and for another, how on earth are they going to really hurt a human being? Despite their size, they were incredibly light and would have weighted roughly the same as an adult human. They certainly can't lift the average 60 kilo human, and they can't go mano-a-mano with a person. A Homo Sapiens is cerainly stronger and the flying lizard, with all his fraglie bones and ultralight build will have more to fear from a person actually grabbing hold of him and breaking all his bones. The idea of a Pterodactyl posing a serious threat to the average person is about as absurd as a three year old child trying to blugeon you to death with her fairground lollypop!!! I can't believe they actually came up with that scene! Humans are not that wimpy they can be taken on by Pterodactyl you know. Sure, the Pterodactyls are larger, but its pretty much like that Spino/Allosaurus/Giganotosaurus vs. T.rex thing. Size hardly matters when you are weaker or more fraglie than your opponent!!!

That's my gripe with JP3.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


What is this going on about me taking on Sean??!!!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; July 1, 2001


What is Tyrannosaurus Imperator?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 1, 2001


I would say dinosaurs are warm blooded if they were cold they would be slow,lumbering animals. It would be dumb for a carnivore to lie there and sunbathe since other preadetors might finish sunbathing and attack it.Fast dinosaurs wouldn't sunbathe even though there's no evidence we just have ideas and theories not just those,we could think abut this hard problem
from Donovan c., age 11, ?, singapore, ?; July 1, 2001


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