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Dino Talk: A Dinosaur Forum: August 21-25, 2001

So are you saying that T-rex was only a hunter, never taking the opportunity to eat from an already dead animal? Comparing the rex to modern animals, you can see just what it would do. I seriously doubt the rex would never scavenge. I'm not saying that it primarily scavenged, but it would when it had a chance. It wasn't solely a hunter, nor was it solely a scavenger. It would have been just like a lion. It's painfully obvious, really.
from Brandon, age 19, ?, ks, ?; August 25, 2001


JP1 not as good as JP3? What are you, five? Or do you just not understand JP? Obviously you were too young to watch it.
from BD, age 19, kansas city, KS, USA; August 25, 2001


"sideways? they could perk their heads up enough to reack treetops even if it seems like they seem to ALWAYS have their heads sideways. oh and try going to check my fanfic. i neverk knew i could write something so great! they're all gunna be documentary things like the Life Of A Velociraptor story i just finished writing."

It depends on what sauropod you are talking about. Some like Brachiosaurus were raised-necks like giraffes. But most other sauropods were unable to raise their heads more than 30 degrees as they had long, interlocking neck veterbre that disallowed too much vertical movement. Lateral movement would have been fantastic though. It wasn't suspected until people started running computer siumlations. The neck in their case acted more like a counterbalance for their massive tails, which would have been good for defense.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


Dear Greg S. yes i have seen jurrassic park 1 and 2 but there not as good as jp3.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Afton L., age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


I just love dinosaurs. i think the t rex is the best. but i like the raptors to. I like plant eaters too. i I'm reading a dino dictionary right now.
from Evan S., age 9, Bow, N.H., USA; August 25, 2001


ok is everyone dead here? -_- boredom that's it. go on bore yourself doing things with your internet carrier. internet carrier did i say that? freaky...O_o
from Hii-chan, age 8, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


WAKEY WAKEY! I'M STILL ALIVE! sorry about that. :P but i'm just in a hyper mood. cause my dad got me new headphones and i'm listening to The Backstreet Boys. plus my uncle got me a new Dinosaur CD. the only thing missing is sound. my dad needs to get sound blaster so i can listen to some Dinosaur sounds. ^_^
from Hii-chan, age 8, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


WEll there goes the bell. Cryo gets the first hit.Oh T rex bites Cryo.BOO!!!!!!!! Cryo ripping the skin off T Rex.YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.CRYO IS THE WWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON WWF
from spino, age 10, ???????, ???/, ???; August 25, 2001


I have finished the Fight Between the Certain Dinosaurs that I posted on my site yoou will find out who they are when you read the story it is under "The Fight" link
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


sideways? they could perk their heads up enough to reack treetops even if it seems like they seem to ALWAYS have their heads sideways. oh and try going to check my fanfic. i neverk knew i could write something so great! they're all gunna be documentary things like the Life Of A Velociraptor story i just finished writing.
from Hii-chan, age 8, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


Greg - I know that some dinosaurs used their neck to eat tree tops like giraffes but I read that some couldnt make their neck go very high, just sideways, so what were they used for?
from Adrian, age 16, Miami, FL, USA; August 25, 2001


ok i'll stop "BICKERING" with other people to tell them...T-REX IS BETTER THEN ANY OTHER DINO ALIVE! i'll just draw some pics of Sue and Suzie killing other people's favorite Dinosaurs. over and out.
from Hii-chan, age 8, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


Leonard...you're good...you just made HHH look like some rude guy with only one brain cell.
from Jane, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


Yeah...I read in a magazine that HHH got butt-kicked in a bar by some guy he pissed off, it was a small article in my local entertainment magazine. What a loser man, at least the Rock rocks.
from Jane, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


To Adrian
I go along with you when you say that the dinosaurs didn't used their neck like a snorkel.
In fact, their neck was huge because the dinosaurs used it to go to the summit of the trees to eat.

from Greg s., age 17, Nantes, ?, France; August 25, 2001


I like T-rex because he is the strongest carnosaur that ever walked the earth.I used to like spiny,but when that fake JP3 movie came out it made me hate him.Okay,so maybe I like spiny a little bit,but I like T-rex alot more.
from Gloman, age 2222222223, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


"Leonard... you are such the typical T.Rex ho. I really don't get this obsession. Is it simply becuase T.Rex has been in alot of movies etc.? If so, I pity you. You should read a little science."

Erm, I'm not a movie fan, the only JP movie I saw was TLW and JP3, didn't even see the first one. I got to know dinosaurs through my local musuem and books.

"PLEASE name some of thess "many scientists" that say T.Rex was defintly a hunter and not a scavenger. It is well accepted that T.Rex was primarily a scavenger. As it has been for years now."

Ok, I shall start, these are the paleontologists that we will mention that support the case for T.rex being a hunter:
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Tom Holtz Jr, argubaly the most knowlegable paleontologist on the matter of Tyrannosaurids. Released several papers on Tyrannosaurids that changed our view of them entirely (award winning work on T.rex locomotion, social behaviour, neurology and yes, the work on the predator theory)
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Peter Larson, acomplished paleontologist that did quite a bit of work on the case for T.rex being a predator, he actually killed off most of Horner's most convincing arguments in his research. Did extensive work on Tyrannosaurus, also investigating the injuries found on T.rex fossils that could have been inflicted while tangling with prey.
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Robbert Bakker, possibly one of the most revolutionary dino-hunters around, though he has a weak point of not going for the truth, but rather as the truth as he wants it, he used to be a proponent with Horner for T.rex being mainly a scavenger. He reversed his theory after conclusive evidence of T.rex predation on other animals was found. In fact, he now directly contradicts Horner on the issue of Tyrannosaur vision. (He claims Horner's theroy about T.rex having poor vision is wrong, in face, he thinks T.rex would have been more keen-eyed than an eagle) Now holds the opinion that T.rex is a predator.
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William Simpson, paleontologist at the field musuem, oversaw the construction of Sue, and is a strong proponent for T.rex being a proficent hunter. Did fantastic work into Tyrannosaurus behavioral science and did prove quite consclusively that Tyrannosaurus was extremely agressive (unlike the belign scavenger you made him out to be) and much faster and more agile than any animal in its landscape, good for hunting.

Quote from a Network Chicago article from Simpson:

"Walking fast would have gotten her to any dinosaur she wanted," Simpson says. "Here you have an animal with extremely rooted teeth that's the fastest thing around, that has extremely good vision, an extremely good sense of smell, " Simpson sums up. "Now is that something that goes around eating dead meat? I don't think so." He rolls his eyes while dismissing a theory that Sue would have only been a scavenger.

Sue occasionally might have taken a bite of dead meat. After all, why skip a free lunch? But Sue's anatomy suggests that she was first and foremost a dangerous hunter..."
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Gregory M. Erickson, did ground-breaking work that well, broke the theory that T.rex must have been a scavenger because it had teeth too weak to be used in an attack. Teamed up with a team of engineers that allowed him to actually physically test out paleontological therories, the results of his findings strongly favoured T.rex being a good hunter. Even more amazingly, the person was a former student of Horner. You would think he would side with his teacher.

Quote:
"We contend that if T-rex could consistently engage prey with its teeth, it could have exploited a predatory niche,"

Don Lessem, a paleontologist that holds the view that T.rex could certainly hunt. What makes it better he co-wrote the "Complete T.rex" with Horner, and used to be a scavenger-proponent. Has now changed his view. Knows fantastically quite a lot on Tyrannosaurus, my favourite gem by him:

Q: Could an allosaurus kill and eat a T. rex?
A: T. rex lived 65 million years ago and allosaurus 145 million years ago. It would have been a bloody battle, but T. rex would have won easily. It is bigger, with far more powerful jaws, and is more agile. Even though it had such runty arms and one less finger than allosaurus, T. rex could still bite allosaurus to death. (Don Lessem)

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Tim Rowe, a paleontologist that stated that T.rex definately could hunt.

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Demetrios M. Vital, dino expert, gave support to the idea that T.rex was easily a hunter. Also stated, in his personal opinion, that the T.rex would have beaten the Spinosaurus (but I'm not going there as I digress)

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Jim Krupa, biological scientist, did research on Tyrannosaurus attacking methods, concluded Tyrannosaurus would have been a very nasty predator indeed.
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Mike McKinney, professor at the University of Tennessee. Provided some good insight into the idea that T.rex was a capable predator. Discussed a lot on Tyrannosaurus and argued that T.rex would have easily been competent to do its job as a predator due to it's charastic predator traits of excellent senses, speed adaptations and weaponary.

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William Abler, a paleontologist who blostered the case for T.rex being capable of hunting when he stumbled on the discovery of highly specialized septic adaptations in Tyrannosaurid dental equipment, a specialized predatory tatic that you will expect to find on a predator, not a scavenger.

These are just to name, a few, if you do a little snooping around, you'll realise that the paleontological community is quite heavily skewed towards T.rex being a hunter. Horner is, sadly, quite on his own, now hoping to find longer arms in the T.rexes he is now excavating in hope of coming up with some evidence for his theory that Tyrannosaurus used to have long arms but evolved shorter ones as they were all scavengers and(chances are, I think he missed the fact that Tyrannosaurids far eariler than Tyrannosaurus already showed a short-armed trend, but you can't blame a man for trying, his desire to prove his floundering theory might make him excavate the fossils faster! :) He lost most of the support from other experts when the tail of a certain very fortunate hadrosaur at the Denver Museum was described, followed by more amazing discoveries of direct T.rex predation. I suppose he was sleeping though out all these discoveries.

Of course, it's NOT well accepted that T.rex was a scavenger at all, let alone for years, here's an article on the issue, and notice it states the views of MOST paleontologists:

Mighty jaws, sharp eyesight, keen sense of smell

In any case, most researchers agree that the size of T. rex's arms was irrelevant to the animal's status as a predator. Its speed, agility, and mighty jaws would have been more than sufficient for it to capture and kill prey. In 1996, paleontologist Gregory Erickson and his colleagues at the University of California at Berkeley created a hydraulic replica of T. rex jaws and tested their force on bones from cattle. They wanted to determine how much force it would take to create T. rex bite marks similar to those found on the fossil remains of a Triceratops, a plant-eating dinosaur of the Cretaceous Period. Erickson's team determined that the strength of a T. rex bite could have been as much as 13,400 newtons (3,015 pounds of force). Such force, applied by the animal's strong, serrated teeth, would have made the bite of a T. rex deadly.

Predators, in addition to being adept at catching and killing prey, tend to have superior vision, and paleontologists think T. rex's eyesight was probably well adapted to hunting. The Tyrannosaurus's eyes were about the size of a softball, which most paleontologists agree would have given the dinosaur sharp eyesight. In addition, the T. rex skull was narrow and the eyes faced forward. Consequently, the eyes' fields of vision would have overlapped, most likely giving T. rex depth perception, a valuable characteristic for chasing prey.

The fossil remains of other dinosaurs have also provided evidence for the predatory habits of T. rex. Commercial paleontologist Peter Larson, who led the excavation of Sue, also unearthed the skeleton of a plant-eating dinosaur called the Edmontosaurus (one of several species commonly known as the duck-billed dinosaurs) that bore healed scars from a T. rex bite. The fact that the wounds had healed, Larson pointed out, showed that the animal continued to live after receiving them. Thus, the bites were inflicted not by a scavenger but by a predator that had failed to make a kill. Moreover, Larson noted that the bones of Sue and another Black Hills Institute Tyrannosaurus specimen, called Steven, contain healed scars from T. rex bites in their tail bones. These creatures had survived attacks from one of their own. These findings indicated that the tyrant king may have preyed upon its own kind or at least fought other tyrannosaurs for territory or mates.

The bite marks on T. rex victims are a good example of the wealth of clues from secondary sources that paleontologists investigate in order to better understand Tyrannosaurus behavior. In 1992, Gregory Erickson studied the T. rex bite patterns on Edmontosaurus and Triceratops fossils to draw conclusions about how T. rex ate. He concluded that long, deep gouges in the bones were made when the Tyrannosaurus bit deep into the flesh and ripped it from the bone. Smaller parallel scars in tight places along the backbone, Erickson thinks, resulted from T. rex using only its front teeth to nip away pieces of flesh.

Another useful indirect source of information on T. rex are coprolites, or fossilized feces. The contents of a coprolite give clues to the diet and digestive system of the animal from which the feces came. In 1998, paleontologist Karen Chin of the United States Geological Survey and her colleagues reported their findings from the analysis of a T. rex coprolite. Within the large coprolite, the scientists discovered the crushed bones of plant-eating dinosaurs. They also noted that the bones were pitted and the broken edges were rounded off, changes that were probably caused by strong acids in the tyrannosaur's stomach.

Evidence from other dinosaur finds have provided additional clues to T. rex's modes of behavior. Paleontologist Robert Bakker of the Tate Museum in Casper, Wyoming, reported in 1998 on the excavation of a nest belonging to an Allosaurus, a theropod ancestor of T. rex that lived in the Late Jurassic and Early Cretaceous periods. Bakker found the remains of prey at the nest, evidence that the parents brought food to their young. Bakker argued that as ferocious as the Allosaurus and T. rex undoubtedly were, they may have lived in families, rather than as lone hunters, and cared for their young.

Peter Larson's excavations in South Dakota have supported that theory. At the site where Larson's team discovered Sue, they also found other T. rex individuals, including another adult and two juveniles, that may have been part of a group.

Paleontologist Philip Currie of the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller, Canada, has developed theories about tyrannosaurid group behavior based on investigations of the Albertosaurus, a Cretaceous dinosaur that was similar to T. rex. In 1997 in the Canadian province of Alberta (from which Albertosaurus gets its name), Currie rediscovered a site with numerous dinosaur fossils that Barnum Brown had begun to excavate in 1910. Currie found the fossils of 10 albertosaurs, ranging from juveniles about 5 meters (16 feet) long to adults about 10 meters (33 feet) long. Currie concluded that the Albertosaurus--and other tyrannosaurids--lived in groups and hunted together in packs. He argued that the younger, leaner juveniles would have been swifter than the full-grown adults and therefore useful in "rounding up" potential victims.

In 1999, Bakker excavated the first nearly complete juvenile T. rex skeleton, a discovery that added weight to the idea that the younger animals were fierce predators in their own right. The juvenile T. rex, nicknamed Tinker, had teeth about the same size of those in a full-grown adult. On the other hand, though Tinker was about two-thirds the length of an adult when it died, its bones were relatively slender, suggesting that the young dinosaur was only about one-fifth the weight of a full-grown T. rex. Thus, Tinker must have been a lean, fast, and deadly predator--a perfect member of a pack of T. rex hunters.

Other evidence of tyrannosaurid cooperation includes indirect evidence of caring for the injured. Larson noted that Sue had a broken leg bone, which had healed but must have incapacitated the dinosaur for some time. Larson suggested that the T. rex could only have survived with the help of other individuals who brought it food while the leg healed.

Images of group cooperation, family life, and nesting habits are a far cry from the first descriptions of T. rex in the early 1900's and the long-held assumptions about the tyrant king as a solitary hunter. The traditional portrayals of T. rex in films and novels can make it difficult to imagine this terrifying beast in any other way. And as the towering skeleton of Sue demonstrated at the opening of the Field Museum exhibit in 2000, T. rex will always arouse a sense of amazement at the animal's deadly fierceness--apparent even in bare bones. Nonetheless, our evolving understanding of the Tyrannosaurus as a social creature as well as a deadly predator make it seem even more lifelike.

The author: Donald L. Wolberg is a paleontologist and the Chief Executive Officer and President of the Natural History Development Company in Voorhees, New Jersey.(Note, he's not a T.rex nut)

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"PLEASE show or referene the article about someone "a head shorter" beating up HHH. You are nothing but a liar here to push your stupid T.Rex agenda."

Heh heh, I will tell you, I saw it with my own eyes, besides, why on earth are you taking a wrestling guy as your hero? Wrestling is about as phoney as three dollar bills, senselessly violent, an affront to morals, encourages wrong behaviour, disrespect for fellow humans, insults our intelligence, encourages hate, glorifies peverse thinking, patronizes harm and is a farce of real life suffering. Wait, I mean its okay to watch these purely for the entertainment value and that's that, (though I suspect you lose about 1/2 of your remainding brain cells everytime you do so), but to idolize these people and glorify them for doing such things? That's going in too deep, like you are.

"most T.Rex fans here = pathetic"

I have no idea, but who is the more pathetic case? A person suggesting a 70-kilo human being could defeat a 6,000 predator in hand-to-hand combat? I'm sorry, but your attempts at defending HHH only make you more laughable.

Thank you and have a nice day.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


"okay so your saying that the t rex is the best dinosaur and could beat anything well your wrong look at the spino and trex facts it says spino was a very smart dinosaur and that Spino was lighter then the trex so it would be faster because it isnt as heavy as the trex and if trex was faster your stupid okay thats why Spinosaurs is faster and smarter then the trex."

I'm sorry, but I will have to refute your points on scientific grounds.

Sorry, any paleontologist can point out you have made blatant errors in your above post. Spinosaurus was not any more smarter than your typical carnosaur! Carnosaurs were smart for your typical dinosaur, however Tyrannosaurids were advanced dinosaurs decended from the same group as the very intelligent-for-your-dinosaur troodons and "raptors". CAT scans and braincase studies into Tyrannosaurus indicate he had a brain TWO times larger than your typical dinosaur, and that's not counting the section responsible for smell, which was immenese. Tyrannosaurs were big-brained, highly intelligent dinosaurs that were very much smarter than your typical Spinosaur. To get an idea of the difference in processing power, try to compair a 450 mhz computer to a 1 ghz system. That's a lot more brain juice.

Actually, virtually every paleontologist would tell you that Tyrannosaurus would have been very much faster than Spinosaurus. Tyrannosaurs had advanced limb speed/agility adapations that made them very fast and agile, something that Spinosaurus certainly lacked. Nope, you can't refute detailed studies into dinosaur locomotion (not with your kind of points at least), Tyrannosaurus was easily and clearly faster than your Spinosaurus.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


I'm getting sick of this "my dinosaur is better than your dinosaur" thing. Listen, we all know that T.rex was probably was one of the best and most feared hunters. But it is childish to arguee over which dinosaur is better. In my opinion, all dinosaurs are great, and the carnivours were great, and were feared by something. So let's end this bickering and tell the "enemy" side that their dinosaur is great.

(note: Yes I am a T.rex fan, but I an willing to admit that T.rex was not invincible)

(oh and BTW from now on I'm firebird 2.0
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


GUYS what's the topic here! all ya's people been doin is...STUFF! so what's the theme around here? i mean topics what is wrong! ok i'm out of here. and...VOTE T-REX!
from Hii-chan, age 8, ?, ?, ?; August 25, 2001


OK, enough is enough. This for almost all of you anti-rex fans (Sean, Shane, Jason, HHH, etc.):
To begin with, I do not favor t-rex. I would actaully like to see a new carnosaur take the throne, which is why the discovery of gigo excited me. And he was probably bigger than all but perhaps one known rex.
But that does not mean he would win in a fight. You cannot simply deny all the science because it doesn't support your ideas. Leave that to the Creationists. Most of the rex fans have given in-depth scientific explanations of rex's superior abilities, yet you continue to accuse them of never backing up their statements. The most back-up I've ever heard any of YOU give is, "gigo was bigger." I have yet to see an intelligent, accurate argument from a single gigo fan. You just declare that whatever the rexers said is false (w/ no supporting evidence, I might add) and then repeat your previous uninfromed opinions. For instance, some of you are still claiming rex was a pure scavenger, based on Horner's theory, w/ occasional refernce to Bakker. However, Hicks, age 16, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001, specifically responded to this outdated idea. So have many people on this site who are far more reputable than any gigo fans. Each day you just dig your grave deeper. Then to top it off, some of you accuse the rexers of sounding as pathetic and ignorant as. . . you. In trying to come across as arrogant, you merely sound infantile. If you wan to see the counterpoints to your weak excuses, simply look back at the last few pages of the forum. There are dozens of excellent arguments against everything you've said. Quit denying it.
Please, for the sake of intelligent conversation, can we PLEASE drop this pointless issue. The debate is closed until further evidence is presented.
To the rex fans:
I recommend not responding to any stupid, pro-gigo (much less pro-spino) propaganda. If there are good arguments, address them. But do not simply stoop to the level of trying to educate the willfully ignorant. Eventually they will realize they are only taliking to themselves and go to another forum.

from MaxR, age 17, Detroit, MI, USA; August 24, 2001


"Stegosaurus Was The Weakest Dinosaur."
How Do You Know That?Don`t You Know A Compsognathus?
"T.Imperator Existed"
Did Not!It Was Just A Nickname!

from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; August 24, 2001


HHH you are an idiot. Evidence of tyrannosaur predation is pretty much "smoking gun". Remember, the edmontosaur who was bitten but managed to escape? Horner ceased his prattle about Rexy being a scavenger after that...he now says that T.Rex "is an oppurtunist". An animal that would hunt and scavenge depending on the situation.
from HHH Killa, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


Tyrannosaurus was not a scavenger if you think about it he has 6-10 inch teeth now if he was a scavenger he woudnt need teeth almost as big as a ruler and his teeth were extremley strong and could snap bones easily his arms were small but why would you need arms when your main attack is your jaws that are extremly powerful and tyrannosaurus. Have you ever heard of the trex SUE? she has one messed up snout its not hhorrible but a scavenger wouldnt kill another scavenger vultures are scavenngers and they really dont kill each other I bet tyrannosaurus would enjoy to eat a fresh meal instead of having to hunt but tyrannosaurus is just to big to be a scavenger. and that thing scientist say how because tyrannosaurus was so big he was a scavenger thats like saying a brachiosaurus ate leaves on the ground because he was to big or thats also saying that gigantosaurus was a scavenger it just doesent make any sense why would something that big be made for scavenging when its jaws are so powerful it could kill a meal easily I JUST DONT GET YOU TREX WAS A SCAVENGER GUYS YOU GUYS ARE MESSED IN THE HEAD
from Tyrannnosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


In respone to Jason who posted:

"Qeury:
What is everyone's opinion on the Apatosaurus? Should the name stay that, or shouold it go back to Brontosaurus? I wonder why they would change the name in the first place, seeing as all that was wrong was the head, which was from another dinosaur. Camarasaur, I believe."

I think the genus Apatosaurus is adequate, although personally I prefer Brontosaurus (its a much more impressive name). Apatosaurus means "fraud lizard," for the reason you have already stated. On the original apatosaur mount, they had outfitted the skeleton with the wrong head (a camarosaur), as the apatosaur's skull was not known at that time. It is not clear to me however why the genus needed to be changed...any thoughts? I suppose it was because the public had associated Brontosaurus with the camarsaur type head, so they changed its title to Apatosaurus so people would have a fresh view on the animal.
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


Leonard... you are such the typical T.Rex ho. I really don't get this obsession. Is it simply becuase T.Rex has been in alot of movies etc.? If so, I pity you. You should read a little science.

PLEASE name some of thess "many scientists" that say T.Rex was defintly a hunter and not a scavenger. It is well accepted that T.Rex was primarily a scavenger. As it has been for years now.

PLEASE show or referene the article about someone "a head shorter" beating up HHH. You are nothing but a liar here to push your stupid T.Rex agenda.

most T.Rex fans here = pathetic
from HHH Rules, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


To Afton.L
Like you, I have seen Jurassik Park 3 and it was very funny!
My favourite part was the attack of the spinosaurus with the characters;It was very impressive!
Have you seen Jurassic Park 1 and 2?

from Greg s., age 17, Nantes, ?, France; August 24, 2001


Does any body here have theorys explaining why some dino necks were so long? I heard that scientist used to think they used the neck for snorkling, but that was wrong. What does any one think?
from Adrian, age 16, Miami, FL, USA; August 24, 2001


I have added an alternate ending for Rex vs Spino and go ahead and see it. Also the site is going to be changing on the 26 to dinofights and it will include pages just for rex,ggiganto,spino and the ddinosaurs with the highest votes on my page you need to vote please vote so far allosaurus has 2 and stego has one but 35 people came to my page yesterday which makes me kinda angry none voted please vote and read the news on my page.
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


"Note: Eoj is Joe backwards. Don`t listen to him. He will frame anyone.
Eoj does NOT exist It`s only a trick. He is a Joe hater It`s Honkie_Tong HE is a Spino-hater. He makes the cruel dino jokes and makes stupid thoughts. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COPY MY THOUGHTS UR A COPY CAT WHO ARE U I HATE U"

Accusing a fellow Singaporean are you? Do you even know Honkie Tong? He won't need to resort to such means as he can make you look stupid simply by speaking up.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


"It's too late for many on this site, I'm afraid. I think we know the ones I'm talking about."

One of them is ..., who has he ego, pride, and self-esteem crushed beyond hope of recovery. It's the most violent tearing apart of somebody's case I've ever seen with accucrate, consise, information, and it makes it all the more painful.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


"It's funny that some people here seem to think that they know more than educated scientists like Jack Horner and many, many others who all say T.Rex was primarily a SCAVENGER. It's very amusing."

I don't think people here say they know more than Horner (However, its a very real possibility a well-informed layman actually has knows more and better than Horner as his observations of Tyrannosaurus have been proven mostly wrong!). It is a fact that virtually all paleontologists that specialize in studying Tyrannosaurids (Horner wasn't an expert on Tyrannosaurids) agree that Horner's theory is most likely wrong (not to mention they did poke a lot of holes in his arguments). In fact, it's the majority of the scientific community who believes that T.rex could hunt. Of course, there are many other good reasons to believe that T.rex was not a pure scvenger, the burdern of evidence discovered about this issue favours T.rex being a proficent hunter. In fact, if you happen to think that T.rex was a scavenger, the only guy you can about qoute is Horner, Bakker has withdrawn support to Horner on the issue. On the other hand, I just haven't started to count how many paleontologists that are no the forefront of Tyrannosaurid resaerch that support the idea that T.rex could hunt. To say that there is no support for the hunter side is not only completely untrue, in fact, the CONVERSE is true! More experts think T.rex was a hunter, better, the experts who actually study T.rex in detail think so too. TO say that many, many more think he was a scavenger is amusing indeed, for really, if you take a close look at the scientific community, you find that the opinion in this case is heavily in the majority of those supporting the hunting theory, and of course, the evidence is on our side too.

"As for HHH, HHH would defintly beat T.Rex. HHH has 24 inch biceps (no lie) verus T.Rex's 10 inch. He also has the pedigree and the high-kneee. Plus, as T.Rex was a pure scavenger, he wouldn't know how to react to an aggressor like "The Game" , HHH. HHH has victories over the like of Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Rock, Darth Maul and the Terminator. T.Rex shouldn't be a problem. "

Sadly, you have made the fatal error of thinking T.rex is actually going to use his arms (which by the way, could lift half a ton) in this fight with HHH. He could just step on HHH or kill him with a simple bite. Unless HHH is demon-possesed or he is not human, he stands no chance in a hand-to-hand fight. (Besides, wrestling is all fake, didn't you read the article in the newspapers that HHH got his butt kicked in a bar by a guy a head shorter and smaller than him? Some hero you got here.)

"Ah-hah! I am on to your game. Clearly you are a pro Tyrannosaur fan posing as an anti-rex fan to say nasty things about me, and make it seem like all are against me, and to make it SEEM like I have lost, and it's okay to say childish and mean things to me. You cannot fool this non rex fan! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!!!!!

For crying outloud, I AM NOT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANTI-REX FANS! I am just here talking, I don't want to represent anyone here and that is that!"

I'm not sure what's going on here, but I take the negative response from the people who would have jumped with glee to side with you as an indication of how stale your case really is.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 24, 2001


I meant the ones like when the big al killed himself by jumping.I need PROOF,that was just an opinion. I meant somthing like "T-rex was bigger" but thats not true. Sorry if im wrong but who is it someone tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Joe, age 9, Who cares??, Same here..., and here...; August 24, 2001


Qeury:
What is everyone's opinion on the Apatosaurus? Should the name stay that, or shouold it go back to Brontosaurus? I wonder why they would change the name in the first place, seeing as all that was wrong was the head, which was from another dinosaur. Camarasaur, I believe.

from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 24, 2001


Neil s,your kinda wrong that the trexs that were found right know may be bigger then the Gigantosaurs but you dont know if there was a gigantosaurs out there in the soil some where that is bigger then crex and trex impertoter okay so dont say that yet because there might be a huge gigantosaurs some where only few have been found right know.
from James, age 11, ???, ???, USA; August 24, 2001


first i havent even seen Jurrasic Park 3 yet becasue my mom wont take me so how do i know what happens sorry what i think would happen in the Spino vs Trex is what i think you can think something else but dont make fun of me because i dont agree that t rex would win its what all spino fans opinons know trex fans what you think is what you think know dont go bizerk on us please come on there opinons everyone has diffrent opions so dont go off on us spinos fans we just think spino is cooler then the trex.
from James, age 11, ???, ???, USA; August 24, 2001


okay so your saying that the t rex is the best dinosaur and could beat anything well your wrong look at the spino and trex facts it says spino was a very smart dinosaur and that Spino was lighter then the trex so it would be faster because it isnt as heavy as the trex and if trex was faster your stupid okay thats why Spinosaurs is faster and smarter then the trex.
from James, age 11, ???, ???, USA; August 24, 2001


To tyrannnosaur:
My favourite dinosaure is the brachiosaure, because it's one of the tallest dinosaur,with its huge neck(9 meters)
I hope that your site will be as good as my site!
See you soon!

from Greg.s, age 17, Nantes, ?, France; August 24, 2001


Tyrannosaurus was smaller than the spinosaurus, but he was bigger(5-7 tonnes).
It is the same thing for Giganotosaurus, a dinosaur named in 1995;It's the longest(14 meters),but he is more lightly built than Tyrannosaurus.
I prefer spinosaurus because he is more terrific with its huge crest on the back.
P.S:If someone wants to have others informations on the dinosaurs and about Jurassic Park 3(the trailers, the music...),you can inquire me it by sending a message on this site or looking my own site:dinomania.free.fr/.
See you soon!

from Greg s., age 17, Nantes, ?, France; August 24, 2001


I think that t rex was the most agressive and powerful hunting machine that ever lived. It is crazy to consider t rex as a scavenger he has good vision and a keen sence of smell the pure biting power of the monster should tell you somthing! As for the t rex spinosaurus thing everyone give it a break! I am a t rex fan and it would be 50/50 fight. Mayby the new riby's rex is a new giant breed or just some feak of nature either way t rex is still the king and for now probily the most fierce and efficient killer to ever walk the earth! Long live the King
from jeff, age 15, new castle, de, usa; August 24, 2001


I DID NOT MAKE UP THE STUPID EOJ THING,JOE!I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW!I ONLY CALLED U A LIER,BECAUSE OF YOUR FAKE SPINO VS T-REX (THE REALLY REAL VERSION)POST.I DON"T KNOW WHO DID IT AND I DON'T CARE,BUT I KNOW IT WASN'T ME.
P.S.I AM NOT LYING! I WOULDN'T WAST MY TIME DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT

from Gloman, age 2222222223, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


I need you people to vote at the poll today and before the 26 cause my new site will include 4 more dinosaurs besides spino and giganto and rex it will include 4 more vote on the dinos you want on the site and the four with the highest vote will be in the site
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


No Joe U are the liar!What proof do U have on your "Big-backed spiny lizard".As a matter of fact I do have proof.T-rex was bigger,smarter,and stronger then any spiny lizard.T-rex may have not been the biggest carnosaur,but his killing power is still unrivaled today.Any book would tell U that.Is that enough proof? At least I don't get my info from JP3.Movies that have been inaccurate for 8 years.I'm sure the T-rex would have took spiny's head off when he got his jaws on his neck.Do U have any proof? Thats all I have to say for now.
P.S.Don't call Honkie Tong's pictures a joke.I happen to enjoy them.

from Gloman, age 2222222223, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


To Neil S., age 15, who posted:

"I was wondering, what is the largest T-Rex ever found?

I know about Sue, which was 42ft long.
Then there are a few others, I think one is the Horner Rex, which was 46ft long, I think.
The last one I have heard of is T-Rex Imperator, or something like that, which I have heard was 50ft long.
The only thing I am sure of about the size is Sue, so if someone could clear up the sizes of the others and who discovered them etc..."

Here are the statistics on the new rex specimens, based on measurements and estimates by their respective scientists.

"C-Rex"
Discovered by Jack Horner in the summer of 2000. It was nicknamed "C-Rex" after his wife, Caroline, who first came across it. According to measurements of excavated material, it seems that C-Rex is 10% larger than Sue. Based on this information, we can get a good idea of C-Rex's size:

C-Rex
Height at Hips: 14.3 feet
Length: 46.2 feet
Weight: 7.8 to 8 tons?

"T.Imperator"
Discovered back in July of 1997 by Keith Rigby. The specimen earned the title "Imperator" because of its immense size, and was believed for a short time to possibly be a new species. It is now conclusive that this is just a large Rex. In the end it turned out that there were actually two tyrannosaurs at the site, one "normal" sized and the other truly a giant. Rigby's Rex was 15-20% larger than Giganatosaurus, so the animal is quite large indeed.

"T.Imperator"
Height at Hips: 14-16 feet? (I dont know Giganatosaurus's hip height)
Length: 50.6-52.8 feet
Weight: 7.8 to 8 tons or more?

from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


It's funny that some people here seem to think that they know more than educated scientists like Jack Horner and many, many others who all say T.Rex was primarily a SCAVENGER. It's very amusing.

As for HHH, HHH would defintly beat T.Rex. HHH has 24 inch biceps (no lie) verus T.Rex's 10 inch. He also has the pedigree and the high-kneee. Plus, as T.Rex was a pure scavenger, he wouldn't know how to react to an aggressor like "The Game" , HHH. HHH has victories over the like of Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Rock, Darth Maul and the Terminator. T.Rex shouldn't be a problem.

The only person that could beat HHH is James Bond, 007. 007 is undefeated in victories over Batman, Superman, the Hulk, Spinosaurus, Ultrasarus, Odd Job, Johnny Cage, Jaws and the Man with the Golden Gun. 007 is the man. 007 reigns supreme... there can be no argument here. Bond and his trusty PPK (along with everything else) would make mince-meat of that scavenger T.Rex.

007
Bond, James Bond

from Goro, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Im going to be changing the site so instead of just having a tyrannosaurus site it will also have spino and giganto since they are in plans for it I will also be adding more dinosaur pages and 4 of them will be picked out of the 10 dinosaur choices go there and vote at the poll also the last fight will be held in two days before I change the site then new fights will be added Im thinking of a few names to call my website its almost done I just need to publish it It will be coming out on sunday the 26.
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net
come there and vote please I need the votes in before the 26 to finish the rest of the site dinos

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


"Now,CAN WE PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT,BEFORE I LOSE MY MIND??!!!"

It's too late for many on this site, I'm afraid. I think we know the ones I'm talking about.
from Jason, age Ancient, Dayton, Ohio, ASU; August 23, 2001


"Jason, I'm on to your game. You are actually a T-rex fan pretending to fight the T-rex fans by posting stupid things so as to make us anti-rexers look stupid. No anti-rexer would make such lame arguments and evasive answers against T-rex fans! From what I'm seeing, you're just putting up arguments for the T-rex fans to shoot down with soild, obvious, scientific fact to make the T-rex fans and T-rex in general look good while making us anti-rexers look sutpid and lame. Stop this game, that's the lowest or the lowest of cheating! We already know who you are, it's impossible for anybody arguing against T-rex to be so painfully dumb. You are just carrying out a plan to discredit us anti-rexers, stop it, you are exposed, go back to your T-rex side and learn to play fair instead of resorting to such infantile means."

Ah-hah! I am on to your game. Clearly you are a pro Tyrannosaur fan posing as an anti-rex fan to say nasty things about me, and make it seem like all are against me, and to make it SEEM like I have lost, and it's okay to say childish and mean things to me. You cannot fool this non rex fan! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!!!!!

"I have a suggestion. Why don`t we all forget this and talk like we did
`00? We were alot nicer then. Anyone who agrees tell me. And please don`t talk back."

The most intelligent thing I have heard all day. I agree totally.

"Jason, stop arguing with the T-Rex fans, you're making us look stupid."

For crying outloud, I AM NOT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANTI-REX FANS! I am just here talking, I don't want to represent anyone here and that is that!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 23, 2001


okay this is what i have to say is that SUE may have been bigger then
the Gigantosaurs that were found right know but,this is what i think that not VERY much Gigantosaurs skeltons were found in the world and that maybe there is a Gigantosaurs laying in the earth that is bigger then SUE because and averge T rex is 40 feet and averge Gigantosaurs is 44-46 feet.That makes that clear and Gigantosaurs would easiley beat a Trex hey everyone Trex isnt the only great carnivour out there see just because its famous it started in a lot of movies that doesnt make it the best Steven Spielberg should have used Gigantosaurs in my opinon but what every anyone else think is what you think know dont go makeing fun of me cause i think that.In JP3 i think the Spinosaurs would have won the fight because one it is more Agile because it dosnt way as much and it was smarter to and had to me i think a harder stronger bite.My favirote Dinos are the ones that i think are the best Hunters or Carnivours are Allosaurs,Spinosaurs,Gigantosaurs,and Velicaraptor.

from James, age 11, ???, ???, USA; August 23, 2001


HAY honkie do u think that an ankylosaurus can kill a t.rex
from samy, age 10, ?, ?, USA; August 23, 2001


I saw Jurrasic park 3 and i like the part when they were in the bird cage with the pteradons! AND GUYS IF YOU HAVE A FAVORITE PART PLEASE TELL ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THANKS DIAN DEN DA GRACIAS
from Afton L., age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Hi!
This site is very interesting!
I have created a dinosaurs'site too:dinomania.free;fr/.
I am sure that you will love it!!

from Greg S., age 17, Nantes, ?, France; August 23, 2001


You forget that T-rex could just pick Sean up in its jaws and stuff him into Giganotosaurus.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


I have been looking at some old pictures done by some people here...

HA HA, I love to rub it in, but this reminds me of the situtation Sean is currently in, except that BBD (whoever that is) in this picture has been replaced by Sean.

http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/dinopictures/2000/underestimation.GIF

And this is why all Giganotosaurus arguments look lamer:

http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/dinotalk/gifs/blackdeathhonkietong.gif
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


HHH would beat T.Rex!!!!!!!!!! One word- PEDIGREE
from HHH Rules, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


"i have a question about the dromaeosaurids:
some people have said that utahraptors, being about 15-20 feet long were not as efficient as the later cretaecous dromaeosaurs at hunting but that seems rather odd to me. Why would someone think that?
and i heard some noise about megaraptor a while back but i'm not quite sure still how big it was and i even read an article saying it was not a dromaeosaur but was more closely related to a troodon because of it's metatarsel. can anybody clear me up about those topics please?"

Utahraptor could have been a specialized dromaeosaurid attempt to exploit the larger prey that had traditionally been out of their league. On the other hand, Utahraptor could had just been a large dromaeosaurid design. The problem is the dromaeosaurid body plan was designed to work best for a small animal, in larger animals like Utahraptor, they start to lose the advantages they had. Utahraptor was almost certainly not capable of jumping as high as thier smaller relatives (being 8 times heavier), not as agile to catch the prey smaller dromies could, and their robust limb proportions were not suited for moving such a large design at speed. Utahraptor was specialized for attacking larger prey, but compromised quite a lot to do so. When the fresher and more advanced designs came out, like the Tyrannosaurids, the Utahraptors were unable to compete and simply died out. The Tyrannosaurid design was newer and had more potential for reworking, making them far more effective and competive than the large dromies. True enough, the large to medium sized dromies went extict and only the smaller ones did not compete directly with the Tyrannosaurids lived on. Apparently, the fossil record does show that the dromaeosaurids were certiainly not as deadily or as sucessful as we have once assumed them to be! (Heard the idea before that small, velociraptor-sized raptors could kill a Triceratops?)

Megaraptor is poorly known, but its limbs were considerably more gracile and lightly-built than your typical dromaeosaurid leg (thus the thing about the limb bones), and unlike the dromaeosaurids, were not robustly built for kicking hard. The guess is, these were not used for attacking prey at all, but more as a defense feature. There were also other noted differences in the basic design of Megaraptor. Personally I'm don't think Megaraptor was well-adapted to hunt like a raptor at all.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Sean, nobody can stop you from what you want to believe, but however, if you give reasons why you believe in what you believe, and in this case they're scientifically incorrect, people will correct you and point all the flaws in your reasons. You by all means, can go on and believe in what you believe, nobody is forcing what they believe onto you, but I hope you can accept the fact that you have no good reason to believe in whatever you are believing in, just like people who believe there is really a USS Enterprise out there or that Lara Croft really exists. By all means, go ahead. But don't blame people for laughing at you in that case, you can't blame anybody for acting that way, for you have no good reason to believe in what you believe.

In short, you are just like the Jurassic Park fans who still believe, despite 8 years of paleontologists telling them that it was no taller than 3 feet and really about the size of a medium dog, that Velociraptor was man-sized. Go ahead, wear that dunce cap with pride!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


"Komodo Dragons only rely on biting their prey to death when they are youngsters. When they grow up, they rely on their germ riddled saliva to kill. They do bite their prey, but only to inject their bacteria. Then, all it takes is time."

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I happen to be native to asia and are very familar with these animal,Komodos do and will bring down their prey by virtue of bite alone. Komodo dragons are ambush hunters and usually go for the tight of your deer/mousedeer/goat/human when they attack, ham-stringing the animal and dragging it down. They are fully capable of bringing down a goat without waiting for it to die from infection. BUT however, rarely though, if the komodo failed to secure a good grip or maul the prey enough to disable it in a bite, and the prey gets away, that's where the septic bite comes in. But generally, komodos are more active in bringing down its average meal, and it made good sense too. Weakening your prey and waiting 72 hours for it to die is not too good for making a kill as it tends to attract other komodos to the area (komodos have excellent smell), and thus your share of the kill becomes smaller, and worse, a larger komodo might smell/hear your weakened prey and take your kill, driving you off. As you can see, komodos had reason not to dally while making lunch, but it the situtation called for it, it would employ it's septic bite. Bite was it main forte, a septic was a good backup though. Of course, we forget Tyrannosaurus both had an extremely powerful bite and employed septic weaponary. True enough, the healed-over wounds inflicted by T.rex on dinosaurs we find do show signs of serious infection. They were the lucky ones. Most bitten prey die within 72 hours of the bite.

And by the way, unless you are talking about hatchings, the young komodos are every bit as nasty and septic.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Spinosaurus was weak! The only reason it was in JP3 was they wanted a new bad guy!. How Spino was almost unheard of untill JP3 came out. T. Rex was smarter and more advanced than Spino was!
from Alex K, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Its u gloman!!! U the liar, and what proof do you have to help the so-called "Tyrant Lizard King"?!?!? Sorry Honkie Tong I was wrong, but please stop those jokes on Dino pictures. Ok?
from Joe, age 9, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


Note: Eoj is Joe backwards. Don`t listen to him. He will frame anyone.
Eoj does NOT exist It`s only a trick. He is a Joe hater It`s Honkie_Tong HE is a Spino-hater. He makes the cruel dino jokes and makes stupid thoughts. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COPY MY THOUGHTS UR A COPY CAT WHO ARE U I HATE U

from Joe, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 23, 2001


I was wondering, what is the largest T-Rex ever found?

I know about Sue, which was 42ft long.
Then there are a few others, I think one is the Horner Rex, which was 46ft long, I think.
The last one I have heard of is T-Rex Imperator, or something like that, which I have heard was 50ft long.
The only thing I am sure of about the size is Sue, so if someone could clear up the sizes of the others and who discovered them etc...

from Neil S., age 15, ?, ?, UK; August 23, 2001


i have a question about the dromaeosaurids:
some people have said that utahraptors, being about 15-20 feet long were not as efficient as the later cretaecous dromaeosaurs at hunting but that seems rather odd to me. Why would someone think that?
and i heard some noise about megaraptor a while back but i'm not quite sure still how big it was and i even read an article saying it was not a dromaeosaur but was more closely related to a troodon because of it's metatarsel. can anybody clear me up about those topics please?

from David P., age 13, ?, AK, ?; August 22, 2001


All right, here's a question concerning my book that may actually elicit a response from some people since it involves a dino fight (but NOT t-rex). I am considering including a battle in my novel, between Acrocanthosaurus (who, for a few short years, held the record for 2nd largest predator ever, after t-rex) and some other big carnosaur. This carnivore must be a Laurasian dinosaur of comparable size from any time during the Early Cretaceous Period (Berriasian to Albian). Any candidates for this "clash of the titans" would be much appreciated.
from MaxR, age 17, Detroit, MI, USA; August 22, 2001


Are we almost done w/ the "rex vs. whoever" series? This is getting REALLY stupid.
from MaxR, age 17, Detroit, MI, USA; August 22, 2001


It broke my heart when T-REX went down in JPIII
from AndyP, age 3?, Boston, Ma, USA; August 22, 2001


Is soem idiot actually arguing that T.rex was an adapted scavenger? Who on earth is that and who can such an argument even linger in the supposedly intelligent members of this forum? I mean all debate that T.rex was a scavenger or not were ended after the discovery of unsucessful attacks on prey, providing absolute proof that T.rex did attack living animals instead of going purely for the dead ones. There is no debate about it, T.rex was a fanastic and acomplished hunter. To say anywise is to go against a lot of scientific evidence. And come to think of it, the scavenger theory has no solid evidence to base it on at all! They said that it had weak teeth, now it's absolutely proved it had immenensly strong teeth. They said it had weak eyesight, now we know it was keen-eyed, prehaps even more keen-eyed than an eagle, they said it was slow, and close reserch into the limbs proved that it was very well-built for speed, and a footprint showed that it could move at at least 17 miles an hour. In fact, just what the heck is the scavenger theory based on? Besides the argument that if you have a good nose, you must be a scavenger, which is rather lame as virtually all of our large predators today rely on their nose! The scavenger theory is well and truly dead!

And don't ask a Horner fan not to talk about his fave's paleontologists's boo boos, he's trying to be honest here and tell you what really went on, but you are obviously not wanting to listen as you are in serious denial. Wake up!
from Hicks, age 16, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Jason is very wrong.
from Freddy, age 5, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Jack Horner says t-rex was a scavenger I AGREE SO SHOULD U!!!!!!!
from Joe, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


We're not backing down,Honkie Tong! The idea that "giganotosaurus could beat t.rex.",is not "nonsense", it's just another opinion. (You don't have the right,to force you'r beliefs on us!!!) We're just convinced about it. You'r statements don't prove t.rex would beat giganotosaurus anyway,so what's the big deal?!(Not to mention giganotosaurus and t.rex,never met.) I dunno about you'r evidence,Honkie Tong. I advise you to become a proffessional paleontologist,and then say these things. Now,CAN WE PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT,BEFORE I LOSE MY MIND??!!!
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 22, 2001


Well, well, well, long time you have not heard from me. I been posting at Dansjp3page.com that's www.dansjp3page.com well those who might be posting there you will see I called myself Rexjaws there. Well its been great posting there now I'm come to post that you can call me a Rex fan and shark fan. T. Rex could have hunted like lions because the teenage rexes could run faster than the adults because they were built different than the abults. Teenage Rexes had longer legs than the adults and could run 30 mph. Oh, Megaladon was proably 60 feet, the teeth was twice the size of a greatwhite's and is 3 times as large and the whale shark wasn't as large as megaladon(please forgive me if i spell it wrong).

Daniel (Rexjaws)
from Daniel, age 12, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


"Exclusive footage: Also see how our vets rush to remove a 13-year old boy whose identity has been witheld from the rectum of the Giganotosaurus after he was stuffed in there by the Tyrannosaurus. This person is reputed to be the manager and promoter of Giganotosaurus against Tyrannosaurus. Watch as our vets rescue this boy from a certain death in where the sun don't shine and also save our Giganotosaurus from being constipated to death. Don't miss this exciting eposide of Emergency Vets! "

Sean seems to fit the description of the guy mention above. Ha ha! This goes to show that if you are full of sh%^ and keep annoying people with it instead of keeping your mouth shut, you might actually land in some deep (*%^ HAHAHA! Way to go Sean! Go deeper, you're really in your element!
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


I am smarter than Joe and I say that Sean and Jason are wrong
from Eoj, age 9, Midland, MI, USA; August 22, 2001


Half of the people hve no idea what there talking about so go away but if you post facts stay I am tired of Trex stinks Giganotosaurs is stupid atleast back it up.
from Will, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


A new, huge dinosaur with crocodile-like jaws, long, razor-sharp teeth, and huge curving claws has been found in the Sahara desert. Paul Sereno, a paleontologist from the University of Chicago, USA, discovered this new species, a fish-eating dinosaur from Niger, Africa. This new predator will be named Suchomimus tenerensis.
"It's a dinosaur trying hard to be a crocodile. ... It was an impressive-sized beast. If you were standing next to it, your eye level would be at its knee," said Paul Sereno, who led the 18-member scientific expedition to Niger last year. "This animal was easily the size of Tyrannosaurus rex. And it was not fully grown." "With its forearms and its jaws, it would have been able to take down just about anything," said Sereno. "It was the dominant predator of its time."
David Varricchio discovered Suchomimus' claw on December 4, 1997, leading to the discovery of over 400 fossilized skeleton pieces buried nearby. These fragments account for about 70% of the animal's skeleton.
Suchomimus tenerensis (meaning "crocodile mimic from Tenere," after the part of the Sahara desert where it was found) was a fish-eating (and meat-eating) spinosaurid theropod dinosaur. It was about 36 feet (11 m) long, about 12 feet tall, and walked on two powerful hindlegs. This carnivore had short clawed arms with three fingers. One finger on each hand had a 1-foot long, sickle-like claw on the end of a 16-inch (40 cm) long thumb. "The hand is amazing," Sereno said. "It was probably ideal for fishing, for grabbing ... into those large fish."
In its crocodile-like pointed jaw, it had about 100 pointed teeth. These razor-sharp teeth faced slightly backwards. The very end of the snout was tipped with an extra, chin-like projection, called a rosette, that held the longest teeth, ideal for grabbing prey.
Suchomimus had a sail-like structure along its back, perhaps used for regulating its temperature. This sail captured heat in the cool mornings, giving the predator an edge on other cold-blooded animals. Also, in the sweltering heat of the Cretaceous afternoons, Suchomimus could dissipate extra heat through its sail.
Suchomimus lived about 100 million years ago, during the Cretaceous period. During this time, the Sahara was a verdant area, filled with vegetation. Sereno said that it "was a lush climate that could support many different species of dinosaurs."
Many fossil fish were found in the vicinity. The fossils of huge crocodiles were also found nearby. During the Cretaceous period, Suchomimus and crocodiles probably competed for the same prey. "The most common thing we stumbled on is a very long-snouted and very large crocodile," Sereno said. "We collected a 6-foot skull. The crocodile would have been about 50 feet long."
Pterosaur fossils (flying reptiles) were also found. Sereno said, "We think that area was pretty well maxed out so far as the number of large animals you could put into that environment."
Suchomimus belonged to the group of meat-eating dinosaurs called spinosaurs. They had vertebral spines and long snouts with conical, crocodile-like teeth. The Spinosaurids "represent one of the most successful radiations of terrestrial predators in earth history," Thomas Holtz, a paleontologist from the University of Maryland wrote in a commentary in today's Science magazine. Other Spinosaurids include: Angaturama, Baryonyx, Irritator, Siamosaurus , and Spinosaurus (which had a very tall sail). I got this of this site.

from shaun, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Spinosaurus was a huge meat-eating dinosaur that had a series of spines on its back. This enormous dinosaur lived during the late Cretaceous period, about 98 to 95 million years ago, in what is now Africa.
Spinosaurus is called "spiny lizard" because it had a series of large neural spines up to 6 feet (1.8 m) long coming out of its back vertebrae, probably forming a sail-like fin that may have helped in thermoregulation, mating rituals and/or intraspecies rivalry. Spinosaurus had a relatively flexible upper spine (these vertebrae had modified ball-and-socket-joints) so it could arch its back somewhat, perhaps being able to spread the sail (like opening the ribs of a fan).
Spinosaurus was bipedal (it walked on two legs). It was about 40-50 feet long (12-15 m) and weighed 4 tons or more (some paleontologists estimate it weighed up to perhaps 8 tons); it is the largest known spinosaurid (a type of large, meat-eating dinosaur). It had a large head with sharp, straight, non-serrated teeth in powerful, crocodile-like jaws. Its arms were smaller than its legs but were larger than the arms of most other theropods. It may have gone on all fours at times.
Spinosaurus lived during the middle Cretaceous period, about 95 million years ago in the tropics near sea level. At the same time and place, there was another sail-backed dinosaur, Ouranosaurus, a large, bipedal plant-eater.
Spinosaurus' huge sail may have been used for regulating its temperature. It could collect warmth from the sun and also disperse excess body heat when in the shade. The presence of this sail as a thermo-regulatory device is evidence that Spinosaurus may have been a cold-blooded animal. The sail may also have been used for mating rituals, attracting mates. The sail may have been brightly colored, like the fins of some modern-day reptiles.
Spinosaurus was a carnivore, a meat eater with huge teeth and powerful jaws. It ate dinosaurs and large fish. The teeth were long and sharp but had little or no serrations. It was a large, fierce predator that could perhaps even kill large sauropods. Spinosaurus may also have been a scavenger.
Spinosaurus was an advanced theropod, whose intelligence (as measured by its relative brain to body weight, or EQ) was high among the dinosaurs.

from Will, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


It says on this very own internet site that Suchomimus was as easily as big as T-rex and not even fully grown. Suchomimus was not even the biggest Spinosaurid around Spinosauras was.Trex arms were way too short that is one of the reasons I don't like him but the Carnosaurs had much longer arms (At least most of them.) They also say Spinosauras was very smart. I sure noticed Spinosauras was on here alot after JP3 and a T-rex could not even scratch his own belly so he would not be stuffing anything in a Giganatosauras
from david, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Someone has made the exact oppisite of what i wrote. Copycat!!!! Suspects:Honkie Tong,Chandler,etc. Not Sean,Shane,Jason,and Brad.
from Joe, age 9, Who cares??, Same here..., ...And here; August 22, 2001


THE ULTIMATE DINOFIGHT

Results:

T.rex (14 Votes, 93%),

defeats

The Death Star (1 Votes, 7%)
from Billy Macdraw, age 19, ....., ....., .....; August 22, 2001


"There several animals that are non predatory and have great senses of hearing. Take elephants. They too have well developed ears for listening to low frequency noises large distances away. Deers have good hearing, and they also have directional hearing, useful in detecting wolves. Hearing makes for good defense, too."

Who is the bodoh who said this? Hello? These animals were herbivores! They could not have been predators! But there are a heck load of carnivores with excellent hearing, and they are predators! And besides, I dunno who the git was, but if T-Rex was gonna have good hearing, it was gonna be for hunting, not defense! Hello???What the duh factor here???

Using herbivores to draw campairisms with carnivores? How wrong can you get. Oh let me see, I wonder how a lion attacks its prey? Hmm...let me go look at Bambi. Oh I see, they must have walked up and chewed them slowly to death...not so scary...I could survive that...

Idiot.
from Jane, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Jason, I'm on to your game. You are actually a T-rex fan pretending to fight the T-rex fans by posting stupid things so as to make us anti-rexers look stupid. No anti-rexer would make such lame arguments and evasive answers against T-rex fans! From what I'm seeing, you're just putting up arguments for the T-rex fans to shoot down with soild, obvious, scientific fact to make the T-rex fans and T-rex in general look good while making us anti-rexers look sutpid and lame. Stop this game, that's the lowest or the lowest of cheating! We already know who you are, it's impossible for anybody arguing against T-rex to be so painfully dumb. You are just carrying out a plan to discredit us anti-rexers, stop it, you are exposed, go back to your T-rex side and learn to play fair instead of resorting to such infantile means.

Go go Stegosaurus!
from Stegs, age 13, Memorex, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Man... this board is going up in flames.
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 22, 2001


Hey! Dinosaurs are Extinct! We don't know if T-rex ran fast, if Giganotosaurus was fat, if stegosaurus could beat a t-rex. Cause scientists can't just travel back in time and say:" Oh I know everything about dinosaurs cause t-rex runs slow for 5 minutes and Giganotosaurus was fat and sue is bigger than it. Cause scientists didn't find full grown bones and bla bla bla bla bla ". Cause everything scientists know is guesses, guesses, guesses, guesses, guesses, guesses,

PLUS!

All dinosaurs are important one thing is NOT
True: Stegosaurus stinks Stegosaurus is weak
Stegosaurus is dumb I hate stegosaurus. Its okay that you think that but don't share it with other people that LIKE stegosaurus same with t-rex. You can write it in your diary but keep it to yourself. And Jason maybe right The Antirex, T-Rex stinks!!!!!
Jason, stop arguing with the T-Rex fans, you're making us look stupid.
Is it true that t-rex is stupid? NO! And you can't just blame somebody for liking a dinosaur. That's like saying, "stop that racket you'll wake the baby!" It is so okay if Jason is arguing with the T-Rex fans. And stupid is a bad word don't say that or type that.

from Derek, age 8, Bellevue, Washington, United States; August 21, 2001


I have a suggestion. Why don`t we all forget this and talk like we did
`00? We were alot nicer then. Anyone who agrees tell me. And please don`t talk back.

from Joe, age 9, ?, ?, USA; August 21, 2001


Some idiot spelled Joe backwards into EOJ then wrote the exact oppisite of what I wrot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
from Joe, age 9, who cares?, same here, and here; August 21, 2001


Honkie Tong,are you saying t.rex fans are fair? "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" -Damean
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 21, 2001


You know Honkie Tong,if you'r buddies weren't so unreasonable and insulting, then maybe I would be kinder. I'm not sure if I agree with you'r latest post. Anyway,I Somebody is trying to use the name"the antirex",and is posing as a giganotosaurus fan. (Don't use that handle,because that's my gimic!) "Look who's talking."Sean the saint?" Just one question,Honkie Tong. Would you consider Damean,innocent? If guys like this,are what you call "innocent",I guess you have a different meaning for this word. We'll be back,when you come to you'r senses.(If you come to you'r senses,that is...)
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 21, 2001


"It is possible, though hard to estimate size from the teeth. But I agree that 60 feet is an excessive figure on the far end. It really depends on how many teeth he had in his jaw, and thus, his jaw size, and thus, his body size. The old jaw reconstruction you see in Sea World (from which the 60 feet figure was derived from) is most likely a-third too big. 45-50 does seem more reasonable."

Yes, but since ONLY his teeth have been found we don't know the shape of the jaw, which tells us how many teeth he had, his jaw size, and estimated body size.

"Un uh, like Tyrannosaurus, the septic bite is only a secondary weapon employed in case the prey manages to escape. They do rely mainly on biting their prey to death. But Rob could also add other animals to his example, such as crocs, snakes, sharks, monitor lizards, birds of prey to make it rather clear (as he was intending to do) that you could do pretty well without arms to kill your prey."

Komodo Dragons only rely on biting their prey to death when they are youngsters. When they grow up, they rely on their germ riddled saliva to kill. They do bite their prey, but only to inject their bacteria. Then, all it takes is time.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 21, 2001


Have you guys seen Jurrassic Park 3? I have well its kidive wierd because those porky things on their head are actually are feathers and guess what on the Discovery channel they said they had made the tyrannosaurus rex all wrong because of the trexs large feet it couldnt of ran that fast and the popular vote in this dino magazine that i read that the popular vote if the velociraptor had feathers and the ruling was YES! So lets all make a popular vote for or selfs guys if you want to tell if you think the velociraptor had feathers or not at the end of your other story that you wroght put your opiion if the Velociraptor should have feathers or not THANK YOU AND GRACIAS>
from Afton, age 11, Cameron, ?, ?; August 21, 2001


HHH screams in horror as the Tyrannosaurus rex lunges at him. Reality strikes him like a cold fist to his gut when he knows finally, that he actually had a much higher chance of suffering a horrible death here than in the faked-fight conditions of the ring. He turns to run but the Tyrannosaurus rex is faster, much faster. It knocks him down and pins him under his foot.

"You ba@#%^!!!" HHH had the time to scream just as the jaws closed almost gently on him. For a moment, the Tyrannosaurus rex held there, not moving, then the head jerked up and the body tore. HHH was screaming an undifferentiated, continuous sound, and the people watching this horrible sight could see something floppy hanging from the Tyrannosaurus rex's jaws: HHH's arm. The fear was intense, terrifying, and all the people, HHH fans or non, all started to run as fast as they could away from this horrible sight. HHH was no more.

They never recovered more than a wrestling boot, with a ragged stump of flesh sticking out of it. All that remained of HHH.

Moral of the story: Don't fight large, carnivorous dinosaurs hand-to-hand even if you are very popular wrestling star with a lot of fans. You are way out of your league here.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 21, 2001


Today on Emergency Vets:

Watch as our vets rush to save the life of a Giganotosaurus after it has been seriously mauled from a half-baked fight with Tyrannosaurus! Watch as our vets work against time to staunch the flow of blood and repair a punctured catriod artery, sew back a cut windpipe, stablize over ten fractured vetrebre with screws and bone cement, reinflate a collasped lung, remove a spleen, repair a multiple compound fracture of the leg with titanium rods, wire up a shattered jaw, relocate seven slipped disks, provide emergency neurosurgery to lessen the swelling and remove spalled bone from the brain. Also follow our Giganotosaurus on his long road to recovery as he has to undergo even more follow up surgeries to reconstruct the missing portions of his skull, replace his damaged kneecap with an artifical one, muscle grafts to help him walk again and even more!

Exclusive footage: Also see how our vets rush to remove a 13-year old boy whose identity has been witheld from the rectum of the Giganotosaurus after he was stuffed in there by the Tyrannosaurus. This person is reputed to be the manager and promoter of Giganotosaurus against Tyrannosaurus. Watch as our vets rescue this boy from a certain death in where the sun don't shine and also save our Giganotosaurus from being constipated to death. Don't miss this exciting eposide of Emergency Vets!

Tyrannosaurus recieved outpatient treatment.
from Emergency Vets, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 21, 2001


"Komdo dragons don't need a strong bite, for they wage a chemical war(Septic bite)."

Un uh, like Tyrannosaurus, the septic bite is only a secondary weapon employed in case the prey manages to escape. They do rely mainly on biting their prey to death. But Rob could also add other animals to his example, such as crocs, snakes, sharks, monitor lizards, birds of prey to make it rather clear (as he was intending to do) that you could do pretty well without arms to kill your prey.

"I have a suggestion. Why don't you t.rex fans leave this forum,and come back when you think you can behave,instead of insulting us."

Ahem, look who is talking. Sean the Saint?

"You`re wrong Rob that IS how you would describe rex"

Another person who posted without leaving a name, but I'll respond to it anyway. Yes, Horner's points do apply painfully well to other large, meat eating dinosaurs.

"Well, I haven't lost yet, though, have I. "

I'm not going to say yes or no, but looking at the way that non-T.rex fans and even T.rex haters are saying that you have lost is not too a healthy indication of your case at all. Personally, I don't it's not the person arguing his case that judges if he wins, it the people not involved in this debate whose opinions weight the heaviest. If T.rex fans think you are an idiot and have lost, that's understandable, and prehaps not really true. But if non-T.rex fans say you're one, that's bad, for they are not seeing things from a skewed prespective and thus they have a fairer opinion. Now if T.rex haters tell you that...

" So, everyone's jumping on the band wagon, huh?
Well, that's it. I will not reply to those who insult me. I will act like that post didn't exsist, and move on. This pointless debate is over for me. But that doesn't mean I've lost."

I don't want to jump into any band wagon, but I'll have to say, fairly, from the point of view of somebody as a pure science graduate, that your understanding of animal biology and drawing proper scientific connections is rather poor indeed.

" Says who? Only his teeth have been found. "

It is possible, though hard to estimate size from the teeth. But I agree that 60 feet is an excessive figure on the far end. It really depends on how many teeth he had in his jaw, and thus, his jaw size, and thus, his body size. The old jaw reconstruction you see in Sea World (from which the 60 feet figure was derived from) is most likely a-third too big. 45-50 does seem more reasonable.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; August 21, 2001


T-Rex stinks!!!!!

Jason, stop arguing with the T-Rex fans, you're making us look stupid.
from The Antirex, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 21, 2001


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