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June 1-7 2001



You don't have to look at a live Ankylosaurus to tell its dangerous. Most predators left it alone completely. Virtually no Tyrannosaur bite marks have been found on Ankylosaur skeletons that might indicate hunting. Brad has a good (and obvious) point about hunters going after easy prey. We find alot of hardosaurs with Tyrannosaur marks and less on the deadiler Triceratops and virtually none on armoured Ankylosaurus. I don't think T.Rex or any other predator for that matter would try to flip it too, not worth the energy and risk. I think once it got big enough, Ankylosaurus enjoyed a long and peaceful life relatively free from predation.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


Well,like today's animals most preadetors wouldn't tackle dangerous prey like lions hyenas jaguars and cheetahs wouldn't tackle aduldt rhinos hippos,elephants and buffalos. Ever heard,safety in numbers? Now at the triassic dinosaurs and reptiles roamed placodus would crush an attackers legs and plateosaurus had a tail and large size that discouraged postosuchus or herresaurus.
from Donovan c., age 10, ?, singapore, ?; June 7, 2001


What dinosaurs have your painted, Chandler?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001


Megaraptor should probably be a nomen dubium. Agree?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001


Katie V., if you are referring to the Dinosauricon's "spiky sauropod" silhouette on the page that Brad linked to, many sauropods had those spikes on their back (or at least it is assumed, since impressions from several species have been discovered).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


Brad, I love your Megaraptor! I have some paintings that I will be posting as soon as I get a chance...
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


I'm sure any predator would not overlook an ankylosaur carcass if it risked nothing to kill it.
But as for telling if they actually could kill an ankylosaur, I think modern animals are key. Are heavily armed/dangerous animals in the modern world common prey? Not really. Usually modern predators go for animals that have adapted running for defense--lions prefer to hunt zebras and gazelles over rhinos I'm sure. So ankylosaurs were probably rarer in the ecosystem but more safe from predators.

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


As for _Megaraptor_, nothing is really known about it...only a claw, metatarsal, ulna, and phalange were found (not enough to properly characterize the animal--it could very well be the same as _Unenlagia_, a separate genus of avialan, or a deinonychosaur [remote chance]). Nothing is known about its appearance other than that it had a long "sickle claw" and perhaps short, wing-like arms/fingers.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


Dragonair, I've read "The Lost World". It was good, but nothing can beat the first!:)
from Katie V., age 13, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; June 7, 2001


2

I think Losillassurus Giganteus looks like a cross between a stego and a brontasaurs!
from Katie V., age 13, Tabernacle, NJ, U.S.A.; June 7, 2001


From the ZoomDinosaurs Megaraptor page:

"Megaraptor was a large, terrifying late Cretaceous predator with two enormous, sickle-like toe claws. It was a huge, lightly built, fast-moving, agile, bipedal (walked on two legs), bird-like dinosaur. It had a curved, flexible neck, and a big head with sharp, serrated teeth in very powerful jaws."

The neck, head, teeth, and jaws of Megaraptor are unkown. We don't know how flexible the neck was, or what the teeth looked like (if it had any), or how strong its jaws were. I also doubt that the known remains (claw, metatarsal, ulna, finger) can be used to accurately judge speed.

"The long tail was used for balance and fast turning ability."

Since the tail of Megaraptor isn't known, you can't say that it is long. and some people ay that it isn't. Acording to Chandler, Megaraptor is probably an avialan and "wouldn't have a long tail characteristic of deinonychosaurs".

"It had a relatively large brain and large, keen, eyes."

Again, this is not a fact.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001
I've amended it. JC


Here's the newest dinosaur. (It's no Paralititan anymore!)

_Losillasaurus giganteus_
Described by: Casanovas, Santafe & Sanz, 2001

http://dinosauricon.com/genera/losillasaurus.html
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001


Look for one of the worlds' most famous fictional dinosaurs in the Pictures page... no, not Barney!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001


Can anyone tell me some of the latest dinosaur news? I'm really behind
from Dragonair, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, ?; June 7, 2001


How did carnivores kill armoured herbivores? The easiest answer might be that they didn't. I'm not aware of any evidence for theropods eating ankylosaurs, but I might be wrong.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 7, 2001


Understood Brad. Consider this debate over! Can i please have my real signature back now? All these fake names are getting old. anyway i wanted to ask some questions but they never made it to the messageboard. How did carnivores kill armour plated dinosaurs? ("I find it hard to believe that they could kill one as easily as a human could turn off light as seen in stories.") And i did'int see douglas fir mentioned in the plants section. ("Which by the way is'int a true fir.")Has anyone found fossils of douglas fir? You did'int have to be a good sport Brad but i thank you for it though. I will decloak myself as soon as i get confirmation that i can use my real name.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 7, 2001


"As civilized human beings can't we all agree to forgive and respect one another like adults?"

Sure, but the way you spoke and behaved in your eariler posts was certainly not civilized. So you want us to be "civilized" to you? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
from Lillian T., age 13, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


See! If somebody is desperate enough to use fake names, there's no telling what he can fabricate to arge his case! Either way, its a lose-lose situataion! Anyway, please stop all these bickering, why do you have to still argue? You've won (not Sean)!
from Lillian T., age 13, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


"Yes...do have a problem with that?!! (i thought so.) If it's crime to state ones opinion i'm guilty of that are you happy?!"

No, its still legal. Well, there are probably some cases where a fake name can get you in a lot of trouble...... But here, I don't really have a problem. It would be nice to know who I was reading and writing to, though.

"I may have been rude i may have been insulting but i was'int looking for you Brad! ("We never realy liked one another anyway!")"

I don't remember saying that. I'm pretty sure I didn't.

"Why do care if it does'int effect you!?"

Because I don't want the Dino Talk forum to fill up with non-dinosaur personal arguments that went nowhere again. I see now that I probably acted too fast.

"Don't get me wrong i did'int have any hard feelings for you at first although you were skeptical."

Are you speaking about just me, or everyone?

"havent any of you ever had a dream like becoming a paleontologist? You can't tell me that you never defended what you believed in! Well recreating the dinosaurs is my dream!"

And I'm not stoping you. Recreating dinosaurs could be a wonderful achievement.

"I did'int come here to insult i simply came to share my thoughts about the past,dinosaurs and to explore new possibilities! You can block me but you can't take that away from me. this is what makes us human!"

Oh, I understand. If you want to talk about your thoughs on dinosaurs, I'm not stopping you. I'm sorry if I prevented your messages from appearing.

"As civilized human beings can't we all agree to forgive and respect one another like adults?"

I hope so.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


Yes...do have a problem with that?!! (i thought so.) If it's crime to state ones opinion i'm guilty of that are you happy?! I may have been rude i may have been insulting but i was'int looking for you Brad! ("We never realy liked one another anyway!") Why do care if it does'int effect you!? Don't get me wrong i did'int have any hard feelings for you at first although you were skeptical. havent any of you ever had a dream like becoming a paleontologist? You can't tell me that you never defended what you believed in! Well recreating the dinosaurs is my dream! I did'int come here to insult i simply came to share my thoughts about the past,dinosaurs and to explore new possibilities! You can block me but you can't take that away from me. this is what makes us human! As civilized human beings can't we all agree to forgive and respect one another like adults?
from David, age ?, portland, Oregon, ?; June 6, 2001


Coming soon to Dino Pictures- my painting of a Megaraptor!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


I don't remember how long it takes to post a story, but they were usually up the next day.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


Got any evidence for that, Cynthia?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


I don't think Walking with Dinosaurs changed how the world saw dinosaurs. I thought it was boring, and I like nature documentaries. I've lost appreciation for special effects, and that's all WWD was. I'd rather watch interviews with paleontologists and stuff like that.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


Here are the heart pictures for Pooja:

http://www.dinoheart.org/insideout/index.html

I'm not sure where to beign looking for dinosaur skin pictures, because so many specimens have been found. Where did Hayley find her ginkgo? I find many fossils shells too, but mine seem to be much older- Ordovician, which I think is about 480 million-years old.

Libraries are good places to learn about dinosaurs. Sure beats the movie theatre.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 6, 2001


Yeah, David, and you and Sean/Justice x are the same person too.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


Brad, when you wrote those stories on Dino Fiction, about how long did it take for your stories to be posted?
from Dragonair, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; June 6, 2001


Dinosaurs are stupid I don't think they existed!!!
from Cynthia S., age 12, blahblah, PLLLLHHHHh, dodedodedodedo; June 6, 2001


Touche'
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


Hello guys, I've just seen the feature trailer for Jurassic Park 3 and I have to say it didn't have such a large impact on me as the other movies, despite it having more dinosaurs and action.

I guess the reason is that after Walking With Dinosaurs, we have come to view dinosaurs not as monsters but more of ordinary animals doing their stuff. Jurassic Park 3 looks gave me the feeling I would get if I watched a show about a bunch of people trapped on an island and the lions and tigers were all out to get them. It just dosen't strike me as a monster flick anymore. Jurassic Park 3 potrayed dinosaurs as we had seen for too long: movie monsters, but now that we have come to see dinosaurs in a more down-to-earth manner, movies like Jurassic Park 3 just don't look good anymore. What can I say? Walking With Dinosaurs killed JP3? It would be good anyway, as we don't want too many more paleontological misconceptions planted into the mind of young kids do we? :)
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


I knew it! David is Sean! They both talk the same way!
from Lillian Tay, age 13, ?, ?, ?; June 6, 2001


David=Sean?

I certainly think so.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 5, 2001


Oh realy Brad then how come all this only started happening recently?! We don't believe in coincidences! Are you the owner of this website?!
from David, age ?, portland, Oregon, ?; June 6, 2001


Hi!! my name is Dustin Cox and I would like to name my favorit dinosaurs; T. rex, Velociraptor, Deinonychus, Compsognathus and other Theropods. And I also like other Herbivores.

Dustin
from Dustin C, age 10, Texhoma, OK, Oklahoma, U.S.A.; June 5, 2001


Just because Protoavis wasn't described until 1991 doesn't mean Paul couldn't have looked over the material during the eighties (many times fragmentary remains aren't described until many years after discovery).
Maybe he made it during the nineties, anyways, I'm not sure. I thought it was somewhere around 1989-1990, but I could be wrong.

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 5, 2001


hi i'm new and i really like Dinosaurs. my friend Hayley found a leaf fossil from 130 million years ago. she also found a shell fossil from 90 thousand years ago. she found a lot of other sea rocks too. i was looking at them to see if there were any other rocks with fossils in them. the leaf fossil besides was some kind of a ginko. i read about Dinosaurs alot and i get library books about Dinosaurs at the school library. i'd like to find out more about Dinsaur skin. i would also like to see some photos of fossilized Dinosaur skin. i'd like to see photos of the fossilized Dinosaur four chambered heart. i really and i mean really enjoy this site.
from Pooja, age ?, ?,

I didn't mean to permanently ban Sean. Let him come back!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 5, 2001
Note: No one has ever been banned from this page, but individual posts are not posted when they contain personal insults or inappropriate content. JC


Candler said:

"I don't know if Paul's theory is outdated (which it may be, he made it during the eighties) and Protoavis may not be a chimaera at all, but I don't think it's a bird."

Any theory of Protoavis made during the eighties is suspicious, since it was not formally described until 1991! Did Paul reach his conclusion by looking at the actual fossil material?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 5, 2001


Yes, I've heard of Carcharodontosaurus. I think the only good remains is that big skull announced in 1996, and it might have been restored a little too big (I honestly can't remember where I read that, though- anyone got more info?) And plus, the newest Tyrannosaurus specimens are said to be considerably larger (10%?) than previous skeletons.

Have I heard from the Dino Talker named carcharodontosaur? Not in a really long time. Anyone know what happened?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 5, 2001


You know Brad you and i can call it even if reconsider blocking Seans messages.
from David, age ?, portland, Oregon, ?; June 5, 2001


Sean and i were in a chatroom earlier today. He's been telling me that he could'int get one little message posted regaurdless of what he says. He suggested that you Brad might be the root of the problem!("when you said block sean this must be what you ment") Sure he has been rude lately but all he realy wants is to resolve this birds into dinosaurs debate of ours with Honkie Tong. You see he wants to get this conflict of interest over with so he can move on to other topics. He won't stop bothering Honkie Tong until he gets an answer. Sean did'int do anything wrong..theres no harm in trying to finish a debate that did'int have an ending! There is no excuse for blocking sean for such a thing! Infact he was'int even talking to you or Donovan when you posted that threatening message! You had no business taking a cheapshot at sean! Whether or not sean has access to the messageboard is not you'r decision to make! He has every right to be here as you do! Imagine yourself put in his position! you could'int even apologize for being rude! You had nothing to gain by excummunicating him. How would you like it if we did this to you Brad?! Now as for you Honkie i saw that debate you and Sean were involved in before. This is you'r problem you deny the obvious. And you also seem to favor putting people down. I'm not making fun of you thats just the truth whether you like or not. Don't hate the player hate the game! Now back to you Brad. Sean no longer wanting to talk about dinosaurs is a lie plain and simple! If you knew Sean the slightest little bit you would know that!
from David, age ?, portland, Oregon, ?; June 5, 2001


Welcome back, Afton!
Wow, I hadn't heard of that Carnotaurus discovery! What kind of dinosaur was eaten? (I guessing a baby Gasparinisaura would slide down pretty easily...)

from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 5, 2001


Hi Brad remember me im the girl named Afton does that click into your head? You know last Summer we talked a whole bunch about dinosaurs I dino pal talkers!!! I got a whole bunch smarter on dinosaurs im 12
so i guess my brain has got bigger every body at my school calls
me a dinogirl. Well did you hear about that new discovery? Well
they found a baby dinosaur that was in a Carnotaur stomach and the bones were mostly put together you know why? The Carnotaur was really old so its digestive system wasnt working very good and after that day the Carnotaur died then it got brushed into a river by a high wind storm or somthin like that and it got buried in the mud and after all these years they found him cool huh? Well gotta go pals and Brad my dino talk pal see ya!!!!!

PS. Please wright back gotta go!
from Afton, age 12, 64429, Cameron, Missouri; June 5, 2001


Who has read Crichton's novel, "The Lost World?" How 'bout that chaos theory, huh?
from Dragonair, age 13, Dayton (centerville a mistake), Ohio, ?; June 5, 2001


Hello? Anyone there? Whether or not you are, I'd like to ask this queation. Has anybody heard of Carcaradontosaurus, and if so, how much larger was he than T.Rex?(Send my compliments to Billy McDraw, Honkie Tong, Carcaradontosauras, and all the other authors on Dino Fiction for writing some of the best dino stories ever!!!!!!!!)
from Dragonair, age 13, Centerville, Ohio, ?; June 4, 2001


I agree, Sean, our debate with you died out long ago and now it's time to get over it. Maybe we should get onto talking about dinosaurs...
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 4, 2001


Sean S, Justice X, How rude!
from Leonard, age 13, ?, ?, ?; June 3, 2001


My favorite dinosaurs are giganatasaurus t-rex megaraptor velcoraptor
from LoganL, age 8, Caneyville, Kentucky, USA; June 3, 2001


justice x(Sean s.) has become insulting and no longer wants to discuss dinosaurs. Block him.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 3, 2001


Thank you Brad.I agree with your information,like the hippopotamus,it had large teeth but also had molars.phew
from Donovan c., age 10, ?, singapore, ?; June 3, 2001


What? Arw we still on it? Or is it a late post? Apparently nobody is intrested. ;) *yawn*
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; June 3, 2001


Hello!,

My 3 favorite dinosaurs are:Triceratops,protoceratops,and Mega raptor. I have lots of dinosaur toys. I think that dinosaurs are GREAT!!!
from Alex W, age 7, St.John's, Newfoundland, Canada; June 3, 2001


Now as for you Natalie S. I'm a busy guy. We all make mistakes and who's to say that you never made one yourself! ("and i suspect you'v made some fine ones in you'r time!") I'v been very silent about you'r rude comment for a while now! But now the silence is broken! Now about my mistakes:i'm often in a hurry to get these messages posted and don't have time to check it. I'm pretty mad! I don't know who you are or what you'r doing here but i probably spend more time in the shower in a day than you even been on this messageboard! ("other people on here mispelled some of their words but you don't see me ragging on them do you!?") ("after all it's still good enough that you can make it out!")
from justice x(Sean s.), age 13, Thayer, ?, U.S.A; June 2, 2001


Here's some more bedtime reading for you Honkie Tong! You still did'int answer my question! ("name all the risks and also tell me how you think the dinosaurs could effect us from an island") ("although i probably know what the answers are going to be.")
from justice x(Sean s.), age 13, Thayer, ?, U.S.A; June 2, 2001


No, but I've read Crichton's novel "Jurassic Park". What is "J. Park" about? :) I don't really think of Jurassic Park as an adult novel, since I first read it when I was about eight or nine. It is the best dinosaur fiction ever.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


This page probably inspired Donovan's question:

http://www.mathematical.com/dinoestemmural.html

I think Estemmenosuchus was more likely an herbivore, but I don't really know a lot about therapsids.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


I accept that Protoavis may be a bird-like theropod, possibly a hererrasaur. While it is possible that a lot of theropod evolution occurred in the first five or ten million years of their existance, most other evidence for this (Postosuchus-->Tyrannosauridae; Shuvosaurus-->Ornithomimosauria, etc.) is no longer accepted. I'll give up the bird theory, as it creates an unnescessary ghost lineage between the Late Triassic and Late Jurassic.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


Dinosaurs are yet one of the most and greatest discoverie ever.
I love dinosaurs so,much because almost everyday or everyday paleontologist are finding dinosaurs and more dinosaurs.

from Julie R., age 11, Los Angeles, California, United States Of America; June 2, 2001


Did any body read the adult novel of J. Park by Micheal Crichton? It was exellent!!!! Dino lovers should read it!!!!
from Katie V., age 13, Tabernacle, New Jersey, U.S.A.; June 2, 2001


I don't know if Paul's theory is outdated (which it may be, he made it during the eighties) and Protoavis may not be a chimaera at all, but I don't think it's a bird. If it was, that means birds probably did not evolve from dinosaurs and rather that they evolved from thecodonts (since the dino-bird lineages don't appear until the Jurassic). I think it's probably either what Greg Paul said (a mixture of pterosaur and herrerasaur parts) or a bird-like herrerasaur (they could be very bird-like too, even though they weren't birds yet).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 2, 2001


I read recently (in the Scientific American Book of Dinosaurs) that a claw from Australia has been recognized as a 26-foot long relative of Baryonyx. Maybe you can find more of it, Dean.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


I didn't know where that theory came from, but if Greg Paul said it I don't want to reject it. I'd like to think of Protoavis as a bird, but still, it would be one of the earliest record of pterosaurs, and certainly the earliest in North America.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


Paralititan stromeri
Smith, Lamanna, Lacovara, Dodson, Smith, Poole, Giegengack & Attia, 2001

Big Egyptian sauropod.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


I just heard an interview on the radio with Chris McGowan, a paleontologist at the Royal Ontario Museum. He has a new book out called _The Dragon Seekers_, which, from what I heard, will be the best book ever on the early paleontology in England. It's $40 at chapters.ca.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 2, 2001


Oh Honkie Tong,I'm not a new guy,but a familiar one.Actually I'm that Donovan r. but I changed my intinal into the one I typed long ago so don't confuse yourself. Okay let's dicuss whether estemmenosuchus was a meat or plant eater.I'll pass it to Chandler.
from Donovan chen, age 10, ?, singapore, ?; June 2, 2001


G,day,

I love dinosaurs,I think they're great.My two
favourite dinosaurs are Muttaburrasaurus and Baronyx. I hope to become a paleontolgist in the future.
See you soon, Dean A. From Australia

from Dean A, age 11, Sydney, N.S.W, Australia; June 1, 2001


Well..i hadin't been on here lately..but now i'm ready to return! YES HONKIE...I'M BACK. Let's settle this birds into dinosaurs debate like gentle men. You say that i don't know all the risks of recreating the dinosaurs! Well prove it. List all the risks you'r positronic mind can think up LT.commander Data!(from star trek:the next generation) I don't know just how much of an honest man you are but try to prove to me that you'r not some punk whistling a bunch of inuendo just to try peoples patience. How on earth would dinosaurs effect us from an island?!(ANSWER MY QUESTION BIG SHOT!!) There's nothing wrong whith recreating the dinosaurs whith careful prepararations and proper management.(at least us and others like us don't think so) It could'int fail or cause the extinction of island dwelling animals whith the right determination. I may try to fight for my opinion but everybodie does that! If it's a crime to state ones opinion i'm guilty of a terible crime! Controversial...maybe but everything we discuss on this website is! Were not forcing you to join. you'r welcome to join us anytime you want though!
from justice x(Sean s.), age 13, Thayer, ?, U.S.A; June 2, 2001


G,day,

I love dinosaurs,I think they're great.My two
favourite dinosaurs are Muttaburrasaurus and Baronyx. I hope to become a paleontolgist in the future.
See you soon, Dean A. From Australia

from Dean A, age 11, Sydney, N.S.W, Australia; June 1, 2001


Wow! What a beautiful Protoavis, Brad!
I personally think that Protoavis is nothing but a chimaera of pterosaur and herrerasaur parts (Greg Paul's hypothesis) but it's a great painting anyways!

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 1, 2001


I'm not sure, probably only 6 m since it wouldn't have a long tail characteristic of deinonychosaurs. Still pretty big for a bird...
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 1, 2001


New in the fan art section- Protoavis!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 1, 2001


How big would an avialian Megaraptor be?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; June 1, 2001


Megaraptor was probably only just larger than Utahraptor if it was a deinonychosaur (so probably about 7-8 m). Megaraptor is probably an avialan, though.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; June 1, 2001


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