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Late July 2001



Note: Dr. Tom Holtz and Dr. Michael Brett-Surman answered dinosaur questions for ZoomDinosaurs in July, 2001 (as publicity for their new dinosaur book). We've posted the questions and answers.

Utahraptor did not even exist at the same time as Albertosaurus.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


hay honkie PLESE draw a magalosaurus runneng after a pteranodon PLESE il do something 4 u
from samy, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


i think dinosoures are fearce but its amazing how they kill their enimes i mean wow!
from Michelle C., age 10, Belfair, Washington, United States; July 31, 2001


ITS COMING. THE GIGANOTOSAURUS STORY-CHAPTER I.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, private property, who cares?; July 31, 2001


Actually Daniel, Spinosaurus or Giganotosaurus could stand a very good chance against T-rex. It all depends the location, and who got the first bite.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, private property, who cares?; July 31, 2001


Hi,

I have posted two times already on this forum and I would like to hear any comments on what I posted early today please take time to post any comments on the subject. I love people's opinoins. Tell me what any of you think and I would tell you what I think. Please no agurements, and to any reponse "thank you!"

Daniel
from Daniel, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


If the Utahraptor can be in a pack, why not the Albertosaurus?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 31, 2001


"Actually, Chandeler, any utahraptor in its right mind would be with a pack. If 5 or 6 utahraptors can take down a T-rex, they'd have no trouble killing a smaller, weaker, frailer cousin. Also, Utahraptor was 9-10 feet tall, (and I'm going with 10 feet) so since when is 4 feet taller a "tad"?"

Actually there's no evidence for pack hunting in _Utahraptor_ (not to say they didn't gather in packs though). And even if they were in a pack, trying to hunt an albertosaur would be pointless and the pack would suffer enormous fatalities. And _Utahraptor_ was approximately 20 feet long, including a long tail. Some of the TLW "raptors" look at least 12 feet long, including the tail..._Utahraptors_ weren't that immense. 20 feet isn't that long, especially when counting the long tail.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


Quilled Postosuchus, all you have to do is post a question, and either the people here or JC will answer it.
from Joe Bob B. (yes, not in caps lock any more), age 10, Menlo Park, ?, ?; July 31, 2001
Actually, I try to keep out of things on this page. JC


Mike, since when did I say I was 20? People are entitled to use screen names, you know. And if I really WERE Super Mario, I'd be 40, because why would Mario be chasing Donkey Kong to get his girlfriend back? You can't have a girlfriend when you're a baby, and it would be illegal in several southern states, anyway.
from Super Mario, age ?, Mushroom Kingdom, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


Actually, Chandeler, any utahraptor in its right mind would be with a pack. If 5 or 6 utahraptors can take down a T-rex, they'd have no trouble killing a smaller, weaker, frailer cousin. Also, Utahraptor was 9-10 feet tall, (and I'm going with 10 feet) so since when is 4 feet taller a "tad"?
from Super Mario, age ?, Mushroom Kingdom, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


Dear Honkie Tong, could you draw a pack of Utahraptors attacking a Tenontosaurus? If not, could you draw just one or two Utahraptors by themselves? Thanks.

Also, I'd like to say your other pictures are very good.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


COMING SOON: THE GIGANOTOSAURUS STORY!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 31, 2001


Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here so is there anthing I should know? A paticular person to contact if I have a question?
from Quilled Postosuchus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


Hi,

I been thinking for a while and I wonder if my message got though. So I decided to tell people to those that didn't understand, T. Rex had powerful jaws and could defeat both Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus because experts say that Giganotosaurus teeth can only cut through fleash and muscle not through bone and Spinosaurus only ate fish mostly because of his croc like teeth. T.rex's jaws are six times stronger than a shark's and three times more powerful than a lion's. I have not seen Jurassic Park 3 yet, so don't tell me what happen in the movie. T.Rex would see a person standing in of him even if the person stand still experts say that T. Rex would see a person right in front of him. Please no agruements. T. Rex would beat Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus! If you smell what the Rock is Cookin!

Daniel
from Daniel, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


I have not seen Jurassic Park 3 yet, but T. Rex would beat Spinosaurus because Tyrannosaurus rex had stronger jaws and would certainly cut thourgh flesh and bone, plus I been doing research and cause a serious injury to Spinosaurus. T. Rex would also defeat Giganotosaurus because Giganotosaurus teeth could only cut thourgh flesh and muscle but not thourgh bone, so the smart money is on Rex. I learnt that T. Rex's jaws are six times stronger than sharks and 3 times more powerful than a loin's, Rex's jaws did indeed cut thourgh there lunch. So who would win in a ture fight against T. rex and Spinosaurus, it would be T. Rex.

P. S.

Don't tell me what happen in Jurassic Park 3, I want to fine out myself.

Daniel
from Daniel, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


I absolutely love the compies [compsagnus?] I'm not really a dino person and I don't know much about dino's , but I think compies are so cute [but scary!]
from Amra, age 13, ?, ?, usa; July 31, 2001


I like all the different species of raptor, because they are intelligent. And I like the way they look, fast, sleek, and cute,
no dinosaur rules the raptor!

from jennifer, age 13, ?, ?, usa; July 31, 2001


Honkie Tong,Can You Draw A Good Kentrosaurus Picture?
from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 31, 2001


I saw Jurasic Park 3 and I think that the Spinosaurus and the T-REX shoud have had a onger fight. Oh yeah and and the Raptors needed to be more blood loving like the ones in the other movies.
from NI, age 13, ?, MA, AMERICA; July 31, 2001


"A croc can too break cattle bones. And if these dino experts say spino has croc-like jaws, I'll will believe them."

Actually, the dino experts never made any more remarks on spino-bite force at all, they only remarked that it had a SHAPE similar to a croc. (And I warn that the crocs that are most similar to it are not of the big-game varitey, they had more robust snouts.) In fact, in a seperate article on Spinosaurs, some experts indicate that they are under the impression that Spinosaurs in general had a relatively weak bite. Also, Spinosaurus had a arrangement of teeth infront of its jaws to enable it to snare fish, something that crocs don't have. Save for the shape, Spinosaurus' skull is VERY different from croc skulls. I'm nto sure what you believe, but you appear to believe an idea that dosen't exist!

And I believe the croc the experts were compairing the Spinosaurus to was the long-snout variety, not the robust-snout variety that are so dangerous to cattle. (I actually have a drawing compairing Spinosaur jaws to the long-jawed croc, but I have forgotten where it is, I'll post it later if I locate it)

Please, a paper aeroplane that looks like a concorde is not going to fly at the speed of sound, please refrain from making such sweeping statements based on simple similarity until you have a through understanding of the matter. Nope, spinosaurus did not bite hard or breka bones.

Ps: Crocs lack the power to break adult cattle bones, rather they twist their entire bodies to disloacte the bone at the joint, something Spinosaurus could not have done.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


"If an allosaurus could kill a sauropod, a spino could definetly kill a sauropod."

Actually AN allosaurus could not kill a sauropod, it took quite a number of allosaurus to kill one without incurring ridiculus risks, and even then, the largest sauropods were way out of their league. Attacking a juvinile is certainly a possibility for a pack of allosaurus, but a full-grown adult is out of the question. Now, we have no evidence at all that Spinosaurus was a pack-hunter, and it's highly likely he's not. Also, critial differences in the morphlogy of the Allosaur and the Spinosaurs also play a big part in this role. Spinosaurus was certainly, pound for pound, less equipped to taking down large animals than an Allosaurus, I'll bet a good wager that the super-allosaurs of similar size that lived alongside Spinosaurus were certainly much better at hunting large animals than Spinosaurus. But a small, young sauropod is certianly fair game for a spino.

Come to think of it, Spinosaurus was not really equipped to kill very large animals like sauropods at all. His big arms would be more of a liability than an asset to him, (what are you going to do? wrestle or keep in prolonged contact with a large sauropod?) And his mouth was certainly not as powerful as that of the allosaurs around, and could not be used for the same effect. His teeth are another problem. Spinosaurus had big teeth arranged infront that were good for snaring fish or small prey, but the lack of recurvature and conical shape makes it extremely unsuitable if it wants to engage in doing alot of damage to an unfeasibily large animal, not to mention the teeth were not exactly well rooted. Also, the realtively narrow snout of Spinosaurus gave it a lower berth of bite and would have limited the damage done and the material it could remove in a bite. I doubt his thumb claw is going to do too much good. And by the time he could inflict enough damage to cause enough trouble to a well-sized sauropod, he would have been flattened. I suspect his sail/ridge and very ungracile legs would be another factor in limiting his agility and mobility, another bad thing if you want to attack a sauropod. And also, the NECK! Spinosaurus' had quite a delicate neck! Good for reaching out and snapping at fish or small prey but I doubt it's going to be useful for picking at a sauropod, and the relatively weak and delicate neck by carnivirous dinosaur standards would have again limited the damage he can do. Nope, the morphlogy of Spinosaurus seems to indicate it WOULD not have been well adapted for going after larger dinosaurs.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


"And they're one of the few species of T-Rex look alikes "

Actually they are more than just T.rex look alikes, they are quite literally T.rexes' immediate relatives. Tyrannosauridae I believe?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


"Do you think Albertosaurus hunted in packs? I do. And in a fight, i'm not sure who would win - T-rex or Albertosaurus."

Actually is not a really good and vaild fight to put up, as the "lumpers" (personally I'm a splitter when it comes to classifying animals) think that T.rex himself was actually a subspecies of Albertosaurus, which in a a sense true, so it's a little odd to pit them against one another. Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurus were certianly extremely similiar, with Tyrannosaurus having a more robust body built and more powerful teeth. So it's a little like saying, who would win? An african lion or an american mountain lion? Once again, we must delve into the morphlogy of the animals... but lets not do that shall we?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 31, 2001


"I still stand by my little idea, that the sail was used for increasing the look of Spino. This guy was very long, but not very tall. What better than a huge fin to make you look bigger? Especially if standing in the water. And when it comes to another Spinosaur, they may have judged a threat based on height, and not length, like modern day Alligators. This would have the added benefit of them being cautious of other predators more powerful than them that shared the same habitats, so it's a pretty good deal."

I agree that may have been ONE purpose of the sail/fin/ridge/whatever. But there must have been some sort of climatic-related need for it, seeing as many of the large dinosaurs from North Africa during that time have the similar structures.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


Cool giganotosaur, Honkie, though the skull needs more knobs/rugosities (which, I know, is hard to model).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


"Utahraptor vs. Albertosaurus"

_Utahraptor_ isnt't really that big, just a tad larger than the JP "raptors." So _Albertosaurus_ would probably win this one.

"Ceratosaurus vs. Allosaurus"

I think either one could win...both could get pretty large. Although if you are talking about the Morrison species of each then _Allosaurus_ probably had the advantage.

"T-rex vs. Spinosaurus"

_T. rex_ probably would have the advantage.

"Dilophosaurus vs. Troodon"

_Dilophosaurus_ would probably be able to kill the _Troodon_, if it could catch it.

"Suchomimus vs. Baronyx"

_Suchomimus_ was larger...it would have the advantage most likely.

"Comsognathus vs. Saltopus"

_Saltopus_ isn't considered a dinosaur anymore, it's considered some sort of ornithosuchid. And it's so fragmentary I can't really make a judgment on this one...

I'd also like to note that I don't think any of these fights would happen naturally...mostly because many of the animals you matched up didn't even live during the same time. But also, animals don't really like to fight interspecifically--too much chance of getting injured (not to say it never happens though). I don't think (even if they ever met) that a _Utahraptor_ would want to stay around an _Albertosaurus_, it would just run away.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


While we're on the topic of Sarah Harding's stupidity, why did she keep her vest with the baby tyrannosaur blood on it? If she's so experienced with carnivores and everything you'd think she'd realize that she should have taken the thing off!
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


"I disagree. TLW has stupid dialogue, the plot doesn't make as much sense, and Kelly kills a 'raptor with her gymnastics stunt! I mean, "We're here to observe and document, not interact... If we so much as bend a blade of grass-" from the woman who petted the stegosaur!"

I'm not saying it's without any flaws, but JP3 was MUCH worse. That's all I'm saying.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


It's hard to hear what Burke is saying, I think he even might have said "Compsognathus triassicus," which we know does not exist. Even if he said "Procompsognathus," a lot of the TLW action figures and other merchandise use the name "Compsognathus."
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


Anyone is allowed to answer this. Who do you think would win in each of these fights???: Utahraptor vs. Albertosaurus

Utahraptor

Ceratosaurus vs. Allosaurus

???

T-rex vs. Spinosaurus

T-rex

Dilophosaurus vs. Troodon

???

Suchomimus vs. Baronyx

???

Comsognathus vs. Saltopus

Saltopus

What I think the winner of the fight would be is written underneath the writing. If there are question marks underneath the fight, it means I don't know. Tell me who you think would win A.S.A.P.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


"A croc can too break cattle bones. And if these dino experts say spino has croc-like jaws, I'll will believe them."

T-Man, a crocodile CAN break cattle bones, there's very little doubt about that. I'm not certain if it's possible with domestic cattle, but if it can be done to a wilderbeast, I don't see why not. If someone was arguing that they couldn't, I think what they were getting at is that a Crocodile bite doesn't tend to break the bones of LIVE cattle.

We all know large crocs hunt mostly in the water. Crocs seize their prey, usually by the head, or a leg, then procceed to drag their victim into the water with a yank of their powerful necks, and with support from their bodies. The "death roll" technique then assists the croc in tearing out large chunks of flesh from the prey. Usually the croc will kill by drowning it's victim, before it starts to "death roll" in order to tear out bite sized chunks.

Obviously, you can see why this would be a problem with Spinosaurus. It's neck is too weak for this kind of strategy, and the inability to "death roll" would be a problem. Are you sure when you were told that the jaws are similar to a crocs, that it wasn't being implied that they are similar in shape, and not strength? Not all crocs feed on large cattle either. Some, like the freshwater croc are more suited for taking on.. Guess what? Fish diets!

These crocs have a head shape very, very similar to Spino. In fact, the shape seems more like Spino than a Nile croc, or a Saltwater croc. Freshwater crocs, like Gavials, will also feed on invertebrates, and other small aquatic items, or carrion. It was likely that Baronyx did the same.
from Usen, age 20, ?, ?, USA; July 30, 2001


"Spinosaurus "Sail" - Spinosaurus is famous for its amazing elongated dorsal spines. Many have concluded that that these structures were the supports for a magnificent sail. For what purpose they sail served, no one is quite sure, but there are many good theories."

I still stand by my little idea, that the sail was used for increasing the look of Spino. This guy was very long, but not very tall. What better than a huge fin to make you look bigger? Especially if standing in the water. And when it comes to another Spinosaur, they may have judged a threat based on height, and not length, like modern day Alligators. This would have the added benefit of them being cautious of other predators more powerful than them that shared the same habitats, so it's a pretty good deal.

A comment I would like to make on Spinosaur, and other dions that didn't likely feed on their fellow dinosaurs as a main food source. If not for their efforts, Dinosaurus may not have been the dominate species of animal for such a great deal of time. After all, something had to keep all other species in check, right?

"Do you think Albertosaurus hunted in packs? I do. And in a fight, i'm not sure who would win - T-rex or Albertosaurus."

Mike, I also think that Albertosaurs were pack hunters. And they're one of the few species of T-Rex look alikes that the whole "if it ran, it would fall and die" theory doesn't apply to, so, there's a lot of room for speculation with these guys. Personally, I think a pack of Albertosaurus would take down a T-Rex, but a pack of Rexes would take down a pack of Albertosaurs.
from Usen, age 20, ?, ?, USA; July 30, 2001


Has anyone else read Piers Anthony's paleo-novel _Balook_? It's a futuristic tale of a recreated Baluchitherium and his human friend. And on another book topic, I just got a copy of Michael Crichton's _Congo_ and it just might be as fascinating as _Jurassic Park_.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 30, 2001


"Brad, I thought Burke said it was a Procompsognathus triassicus."

Listen again. It's Compsognathus, but he does horribly mispronounce it. :(
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 30, 2001


An albertosaurus is a smaller tyrannosaur. Going against the T-rex would be like going against a much bigger albertosaurus.
from T-man, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


The second chapter is is out!
from andrew d, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


then what was it brad
from tytre, age 14, isla sorna, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


Brad, I thought Burke said it was a Procompsognathus triassicus.
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


A croc can too break cattle bones. And if these dino experts say spino has croc-like jaws, I'll will believe them.
from T-man, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


Dr. Holtz and Dr. Surman said a spinosaurus probably weighed up to 8 tons, and other websites say it could kill a huge sauropod. Though Im confused that some websites say spino was 4-6 tons, and some 8 tons. But I bet they know alot more dinosaurs than you do Honkie. If an allosaurus could kill a sauropod, a spino could definetly kill a sauropod.
from T-man, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


I agree with you, Usen. Albertosaurus should make it to Jurassic Park. But I also think that my favourite dinosaur, the Utahraptor, should make it to Jurassic Park. If they replaced the T-rex and the Velociraptor with the Albertosaurus and the Utahraptor, the movie would be much better. They probably never did it in the first place because there would have been no one left to make Jurassic Park 2 or 3 - no one would have survived. Do you think Albertosaurus hunted in packs? I do. And in a fight, i'm not sure who would win - T-rex or Albertosaurus.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


"Does Anybody Know Any Good Dinosaur Websites?"
Well, Zoomdinosaurs Is One.
www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/ Is Another.

from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; July 30, 2001


"if any of u hav read In the time of the Dinosaurs, by K.A. Applegate, u'll agree wit me, she gives false info. she writes that
spinosaurus lives in USA-in the late cretaceous period. she said iguanadons lived then too, which is wrong.she also said
deinonychus were smaller than a human child. wut duz she kno? shw rites a series about aliens and kids who turn in2
animals."

If you have ever read an animorphs book in your life, which I doubt because of your horrible misspellings, you would know that she did NOT say that deinonychus was smaller than a human kid.The rest is eithere creative licence, or just plain stupidity.
from Super Mario,

Super Mario, for your information, I have read an Animorphs book. Many, in fact. Twenty-two, to be exact. If you are such an expert, then tell me the titles to books #5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 25, 26, 31, 37, 45, 46, 54, Megamorphs#2 and 4. These are the books I own personally. The rest I borrow from a friend or get them at the library. The "horrible misspellings" are because this a message board, not a spelling bee, or a book report. I am forced to spell perfectly all the time, so when I have the chance, I write in slang, short form, or lower case letters. Since Animorphs is a Level 5 reading series, I don't think a twenty year old would be reading it, so stop lying about your age. By the way, either is spelled either, not eithere, Mr. 20 yr. old smart little know it all.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE JURASSIC PARK CHRONICLES IS HERE!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 30, 2001


"Nope, brain weight to body weight ratio is certianly an extremely inaccucrate way to measure intelligence."

That's true, but it is the most reliable way to figure dinosaur intelligence, seeing as we know nothing of their brains except the size and shape. There are other ways to figure intelligence in today's animals, though. And I quote,

"What _should_ be important for intelligence is the _absolute_ number of nerve cells in the brain -- having more nerve cells means the potential for much larger and much more complicated networks. The nerve cell density in dolphin brains is surprisingly small -- about 1/4 of what's normal -- , and their cortex is very thin and simple. In total dolphins have as many nerve cells in their cortex as a chimp -- which fits their intelligence well.
"There remains the question after the capability of the 4-kg-brain of
elephants. The few existing data show that elephants have a relatively thick cortex. Even though the cell density seems to be a bit lower than that of humans, an elephant should have as many neurons in its gigantic cortex as a human, namely between 100 billions and a trillion[*]." Apart from their proverbial memory not much exceptional is known about elephant intelligence.

What about the number of synapses per neuron? Varies between 100 and
100,000 in one and the same brain. Small brains may have more synapses per
nerve cell than large ones.

About the increase in brain size in human evolution -- "This strong
phylogenetic brain increase [sic] in humans that affected nearly all parts of the brain probably results from a genetic accident and cannot so far be unambiguously connected to outer selectionary pressures, even though there are extended speculations about this. A long discussed hypothesis is that
man is a paedomorphic chimpanzee. Young chimpanzees are indeed much more similar to humans than adult animals. Among other things they have a relatively much bigger brain and are much more able to learn than their
adult conspecifics."

Like dogs are paedomorphic to wolves.

"Unlike me, *Velociraptor* doesn't seem particularly childish, so human-like
intelligence at least can probably be excluded :-)

Well, I guess wolves, ground-living birds of prey etc. are probably the best analogs for dromaeosaur intelligence, rather than chimpanzees, but that doesn't really help us, let alone movie makers, I think."
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 30, 2001


"Brad,how identical and different is the Compsognathus traissicus from Jurassic park 2, to the Compsognathus."

I haven't really looked closely for errors in The Lost World's "Compsognathus", but I can tell you immediately that real Compsognathus were almost certainly covered in protofeathers.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 30, 2001


"okay so what was that little dino down by the river when they were digging through the pooh I know it's not a t-rex because of the horn on it's snout so who is it?"

Because of the horn on the nose, many people assume it is Ceratosaurus. It is not. Ceratosaurus did not have a thick conical horn, it had a more narrow crest on its snout. The movie theropod also lacks lacrimal horns, when they were prominent in Ceratosaurus. The eyes of the movie theropod are directed forwards rather than to the side, giving it binocular vision, a feature which again disagrees with Ceratosaurus.

So what is it? No known theropod skull resembles that animal. Maybe it's just a monster that inGEN accidentaly created by mixing several species. If it had to be labeled as a real dinosaur, I'd say it's a Metricanthosaurus. Why? Because we know that this dinosaur had been cloned, you can see the embryo container of it in Jurassic Park. And since paleontologists don't have a Metricanthosaurus skull, the JP3 dino designers had a lot of artistic freedom. While there's no evidecne for those unusual features in Metricanthosaurus, we can't yet prove them wrong.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 30, 2001


"You kan talk about your meat-eaters all you want, but Triceratops would beat T.Rex, Spino, Gigga etc. ANY of them in a face to face one on one fight. The only chance T.Rex would have is to sneak up on Triceratops like a big baby."

Why not? Ambush is a great tatic for predators to use! It maximizes your chances of avoiding injury while greatly reducing the chances of survival for your prey! It's cool! Predators do it all the time! It's sensible in a world where what matters is getting food and not worrying about what people like you say about them ;)

Thus, many a Triceratops died.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


"I disagree. TLW has stupid dialogue, the plot doesn't make as much sense, and Kelly kills a 'raptor with her gymnastics stunt! I mean, "We're here to observe and document, not interact... If we so much as bend a blade of grass-" from the woman who petted the stegosaur!"

I disagree. JP3, TWL have old, run out stories, cardboard characters, and too many impossible events in both of them. I'll tell you, the original is hard to beat. TWL and JP3 simply can't bring out the suspense we felt when we watched the movie. I think JP is the best! TWL takes it for the bloodiest movie, and JP3 takes it for the movie which tries too hard to be different but ends out churning out a clone that nobody likes in the end. Well, I suppose if somebody kicked a raptor like that and it fell onto something sharp, it just might die. But that's surely more likely than a Spinosaur escaping major damage from a T.rex bite to the neck!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 30, 2001


Let's discuss something other than dino-fights/deathmatches for a change, shall we? It's growing rather tiresome, and lack any challenge. Here are some topics that I currently find interesting:

Sauropod Necks - Computer models seem to indicate that most sauropods were incapable of lifting their necks above 20∫ or so. In fact, the computer models suggest that many actually carried their necks in a downwards slant. However, some paleontologists argue that the computer models do not incorporate cartilage "sponges" in-between the vertebrae, which evidence shows that sauropods possessed. They say that if the models incorporated those cartilage sponges, the necks would in fact be held in an upward arc. Any thoughts?

Spinosaurus "Sail" - Spinosaurus is famous for its amazing elongated dorsal spines. Many have concluded that that these structures were the supports for a magnificent sail. For what purpose they sail served, no one is quite sure, but there are many good theories. However, the spines aren't like those of other "sail-backs" like Dimetrodon, whose spines are thin and wire-like. Spinosaurus's spines are different, being flat and blade-like. Did Spinosaurus really have a sail? Or perhaps a hump f sorts? But what I think is really interesting, is that they may not have been structural supports at all. Maybe they are like the spikes of Amargasaurus. Amargasaurus was believed to have had a sail like Spinosaurus. Recent studies seem to indicate that Amargasaurus's spines were actually independent spikes projecting backwards diagnolly from its neck, creating a rather intimidating display. Were Spinosaurus's spines also independent structures? I think if they were, it would have been a fearsome display, hence their possible purpose? Any thoughts?

Carnosaur Extinctions - The carnosaurs, namely allosaurids, dominated the world for tens of millions of years. They were present on every continent and grew to immense sizes. Yet, big carnosaurs aren't found after the 90 million year mark (well, at least I haven't seen or heard anything). In the north they are replaced by Tyrannosaurs and in the south it seems Abelisaurs are dominant from 89-65 million years ago. What happened? Were the carnosaurs out-competed? Or did they die out first, then coelurosaurs and ceratosaurids (abelisaurs) evolved to take their place? Or did the carnosaurs survive in the south, as mounting evidence points to? Any thoughts?
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Chandler, Honkie, I like the pictures. What did you use to make them?
from Sauron, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Does anyone know any really good dinosuar websites.
from Nick R, age 12, Spokane, Washington, United States; July 29, 2001


okay so what was that little dino down by the river when they were digging through the pooh I know it's not a t-rex because of the horn on it's snout so who is it?
from joe j., age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Brad,how identical and different is the Compsognathus traissicus from Jurassic park 2, to the Compsognathus.
from Nick, age 12, Spokane, Washington, United States; July 29, 2001


THE LAST CHAPTER OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY IS HERE!!! AND DONT MISS MY NEW SERIES, THE JURASSIC PARK CHRONICLES!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


"You know on jurassic park 2 those little meat eating dinosaurs
that are about 8 inchs do you know what type of dinosaur that is?"

Dr. Burke identifies them as "Compsognathus traissicus". Unfortunately, there is no such dinosaur. My personal theroy is that Burke considers _Procompsognathus triassicus_ to be a species of Compsognathus. I'm not sure why he would, but there has to be some explanation. Can anyone offer something different?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


Okay, Mike!

Argentinosaurus, Brachiosaurus, Supersaurus, Seismosaurus, Mamenchisaurus, Apatosaurus, Diplodocus, Saltasaurus

These are just my guesses, of course. I left out Ultrasaurus because I have no idea how big U. tabriensis is.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


Whats up with the threats,Honkie Tong? Gee,you'r not going to put a curse on me,are you!? Jesus christ.
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; July 29, 2001


"if any of u hav read In the time of the Dinosaurs, by K.A. Applegate, u'll agree wit me, she gives false info. she writes that
spinosaurus lives in USA-in the late cretaceous period. she said iguanadons lived then too, which is wrong.she also said
deinonychus were smaller than a human child. wut duz she kno? shw rites a series about aliens and kids who turn in2
animals."

If you have ever read an animorphs book in your life, which I doubt because of your horrible misspellings, you would know that she did NOT say that deinonychus was smaller than a human kid.The rest is eithere creative licence, or just plain stupidity.
from Super Mario, age ?, Mushroom Kingdom, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


You know on jurassic park 2 those little meat eating dinosaurs
that are about 8 inchs do you know what type of dinosaur that is?
from Nick R,

Yes, they are called Procomsognathus - i think. they mentioned it in the movie.
from Mike, age 12, Toronto, Ontario, Canada; July 29, 2001


I've studied dinosaurs since i was 3. Dinosaurs have been my whole life. Although, the place where i live isn't really active as far as paleontology goes. well anyways i seen Jurrasic Park 3 the other day and yes as i watched it i picked out mistakes that Joe Jonston made as did Steven Speilburg in the first 2 films. Spinosaurs is pathetic as i see it, the creature is very nice looking as far as a monster goes. The T-rex is probably as most experts say the baddest of the bad, and as the jurrasic park movies continue to make mistakes it will make paleontologists look bad.

As far as dinosaurs go i have a tie between Carnotaurus and Dilophosaurs as my favorites!
from Chris N., age 16, Tell City, Indiana, united states; July 29, 2001


"Good God is this Spino/Rex thing getting out of hand!"

Yep,I think it is. So, i think it's time we put aside this sorry excuse for a fight, and bring out a new contender, who won't fall for T-Rex's possum tricks. A Predator who's length isn't comprised almost entirely of tail, a predator who doesn't have a paper thin lower jaw, or a skinny little brittle neck. Ladies and gentelemn, I present to you, Albertosaurus!

Um, anyway, am I alone in wanting to see an Alertosaurus make it into a Jurassic park? I kind of like this Micro Rex personally. Of course I would bet on T-Rex though ont he side...
from Usen, age 20, ?, ?, USA; July 29, 2001


Put these sauropods in order from biggest to smallest: Apatasaurus

Argentinosaurus

Brachiosaurus

Diplodocus

Mamenchisaurus

Saltasaurus

Seismosaurus

Supersaurus

Ultrasaurus
from Mike, age 12, Toronto, Ontario, Canada; July 29, 2001


"Erm, the animal species I am refering to is the figurative, intelligent "alien" obersever."

Well, maybe you should be more specific to avoid such confusion.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 29, 2001


You know on jurassic park 2 those little meat eating dinosaurs
that are about 8 inchs do you know what type of dinosaur that is?

from Nick R, age 12, Spokane, Washington, United States; July 29, 2001


"I agree. When TLW came out, everyone hated it. Compared to JP3, it's a masterpiece."

I disagree. TLW has stupid dialogue, the plot doesn't make as much sense, and Kelly kills a 'raptor with her gymnastics stunt! I mean, "We're here to observe and document, not interact... If we so much as bend a blade of grass-" from the woman who petted the stegosaur!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


"Spinosaurus lived in lower Asia, T.Rex in North America."

Spinosaurus is from North Africa. The lower Asian _Siamosaurus suteethorni_ has been called a possible spinosaurid- anyone know its current status?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


That's a pretty good Rhamphorynchus, except the real ones had hands and legs. Maybe you should call your's "Mr. Hankey Goes Hang Gliding!" (I just knew you liked rude signatures, Andrew!)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


"Why did ceratasaurus run away from the spinosaur dung in jp3.Becase if i were him i would have eaten the humans"

First of all, that thing was not Ceratosaurus! It probably ran because the presence of fresh Spinosaurus dung suggests that a Spinosaurus is nearby, and the horned theropod didn't want to get into a fight. It was actually intended to be a joke- the theropod didn't like the way the dung-covered humans smelled. In the script, Paul says "I can't help but feel a little offended." This line did not make it into the movie.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


"if any of u hav read In the time of the Dinosaurs, by K.A. Applegate, u'll agree wit me, she gives false info. she writes that spinosaurus lives in USA-in the late cretaceous period."

Yes, I remember that book. In the epilogue, she admits that Spinosaurus is not known from that setting.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


how do you like the newly discovered spineasaurus.
from anthony, age 11, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


i'm real sorry JC. i'll stop
from andrew d, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001
Thanks. JC


How do ya'll like my Ramphorhynchus picture
from andrew d, age 10, ?; July 29, 2001
Andrew - do not submit pictures in BMP format (read the top of the dinopictures page where it tells which formats are acceptable) - BMP's take far too much time for us to process. Also, please stop the rude signatures or your posts will not be posted (I'm tired of editing them out). If you have so little respect for this forum, you should post somewhere else. JC


ok enybody like troodon i do ok enybody like styracosaurus ok enyboidy like ornithomimus ok enybody like coelophysis im just cehckin (cant spell)
from samy, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Why did ceratasaurus run away from the spinosaur dung in jp3.Becase if i were him i would have eaten the humans
from nick c, age 48, brooklyn, new york, isla sorna; July 29, 2001


if any of u hav read In the time of the Dinosaurs, by K.A. Applegate, u'll agree wit me, she gives false info. she writes that spinosaurus lives in USA-in the late cretaceous period. she said iguanadons lived then too, which is wrong.she also said deinonychus were smaller than a human child. wut duz she kno? shw rites a series about aliens and kids who turn in2 animals.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Diplodocus probably ate low-growing plants like ferns, or possibly stood on its hind legs to eat from trees.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 29, 2001


You kan talk about your meat-eaters all you want, but Triceratops would beat T.Rex, Spino, Gigga etc. ANY of them in a face to face one on one fight. The only chance T.Rex would have is to sneak up on Triceratops like a big baby.
from TTOP, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


THE FIRST AND SECOND CHAPTER OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY IS HERE!!!!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


Leonard, I got the 12.5-foot-long, 3.5-foot-tall spino from math.

6 months/2 years is the same as 1/4. 1/4 of 50 is 12.5 and 1/4 of 14 is 3.5.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


"Good God is this Spino/Rex thing getting out of hand! The fight would not have taken place first of all! Spinosaurus lived in lower Asia, T.Rex in North America. The outcome of the fight would be affected by land terrian! "

Of course they never met...not unless in Jurassic Park of course.

"If Spinosaurus was as light weight as T.Rex fans say it was it could have killed ol'Rexton easily on muddy ground."

Actually T.rex could have been smart enough to stay out of muddy ground.

"And the T.Rex in JP3 wasn't faking death, 5% of it's brain was used for thinking. I'm not saying Spino was any smarter."

Actually, now scientists think that Tyrannosaurus used quite a large portion of its brain for thinking. It was an intelligent dinosaur and certianly much more than spino. Looking at the physics involved in the fight, a death by neck-fracture in T.rex's case is extremly unprobable, so faking death is highly likely, given the fact that T.rex was closely related to the raptors and every bit as intelligent, AND given the fact the raptors were SMART enough to set traps in the movie, JP3 logic seems to indicate that T.rex is certainly capable of setting a trap by playing possum.

" When people say "why didn't the Spino eat the dead T.Rex?" Maybe he wasn't hungry."

Well, if even if he wasn't hungry, he would have stayed around the kill site for some time, given the fact that there is a 6-ton Tyrannosaurus and the carcass it was feeding on there. Instead, we find that it has tracked the humans all across the island. SO we cone to one conclusion: he obviously didn't kill the rex enough and it chased him off.

"In JP3 the Rex dies."

Well, you do know that we have disproven this happened at all:)

" Boo Hoo. I'm not a Spino supporter either. "

Ok you don't have to cry, no Spino fan will trash you. ;)

"My favorite carnivore was Suchomimus."

So what?

"I think that Rex supporters don't like the outcome of the fight."

Of COURSE we like the outcome of the fight! After all, T.rex won!

'nuff said
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"Primate bodies are built differently(while similar), and are much, much stronger than our bodies. Also, as said before, they have large brains, which gives them brainpower to be so agile and have the motor function they do. "

Thank you, you are stating my point that Tyrannosaurus, whist not as agile as the dromies, could have easily been more intelligent. This is the condition repeated between us and primates. Thank you!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"Animals are incapable of "viewing" us. They cannot form original ideas or sit back and wonder about the intelligence of other animals. They are dictated and ruled by instinct. And humans ARE smarter than other primates. "

Erm, the animal species I am refering to is the figurative, intelligent "alien" obersever. If he was just looking at our morphlogy and using your logic, he would conclude we are not the smartest creatre on earth.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"The reason people are fat (no offense) is because there are layers of fat building up. The brain doesn't control fat. And if through some radical evolution in our life, we do become larger than we are today, the brain will become larger too to support the larger forms of us. This is also shown in the natural process of growth. "

Hmm...this is cerainly not true. Bigger people (And I don't mean fat!) do not have larger brains than smaller people. We top out at about the same 1,500 ml of brain. If that was true, asians, being on average smaller built but having a similar brain weights to cauasians, would be smarter...hey maybe we are!

'nuff said.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"Erm, actually whales are NOT "extremely smart". Whales have huge bodies and huge brains but they are not proven to be extremely smart. What are you comparing this "extremely smart" to? If it is comparing to humans, you must be kidding. If it is to dogs, then yes, they are smart, because evidence shows that whales and dogs,or bears, I can't remember, are distantly related."

Erm, actually whales are quite high on the intelligence list, and they have an EXTREMELY low EQ. Well, actually the average human being is about 11 to 15 times more intelligent when it comes to complex thought than the closest smartest animals, and we don't have a very large advantage in EQ over them. (As a matter of fact, some animals have a better brain-weight to body weight ratio than us). Nope, brain weight to body weight ratio is certianly an extremely inaccucrate way to measure intelligence.

'nuff said.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"hay honkie why does t.rex allwase win on dinowars"

I don't do Dino Warz, my friend, Bill writes it. But as a spolier, I'd like to say that victory for the Tyrannosauruses in the 3rd season is not as easy as before...
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


if any of u hav read In the time of the Dinosaurs, by K.A. Applegate, u'll agree wit me, she gives false info. she writes that spinosaurus lives in USA-in the late cretaceous period. she said iguanadons lived then too, which is wrong.she also said deinonychus were smaller than a human child. wut duz she kno? shw rites a series about aliens and kids who turn in2 animals.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


I think that Troodon and all other Troodontids were part of the same family as raptors a.k.a. Dromeosaurids, be cuz they are around the same size, the hunted the same things the same way. they lived around the same time, and they looked the same.
from Mike, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


andrew d, in order to get your ramphorynchus story out of short works, you have to write the next chapter.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


get my ramphorhynchus story out of short works! I'm not finished!
from andrew d, age 10, please, shut, up; July 29, 2001
Please do not write me rude notes or your story will not be published at all. JC


CHAPTER III OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


"I have theory that the raptors sickle claw was a primitive talon if they evolved into birds."

That's a good theory, but deinonychosaur dinosaurs didn't directly evolve into birds (some paleontologists even think that they evolved FROM birds). But talons in birds and claws in dinosaurs are definitely related features (they are not totally convergence).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


"I just saw JP3 and I say that the only good point about it is that the other JP movies seem much better after watching it."

I agree. When TLW came out, everyone hated it. Compared to JP3, it's a masterpiece. Speilberg is so much better than Johnston at directing...hopefully they'll get someone more competent to do part 4, if there is one.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


Look, JP3 is not a acurrate description of dinosaurs, and is not supposed to be. They do this so it APPEALS TO THE MASSES!!!! People today want to see all the cool stuff because its todays taste!!! Totally inaccurate bull based on nothing more than their imagination and what people want to see!!!!!!!!
from yu, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 29, 2001


THE FIRST TWO CHAPTERS OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY ARE HERE!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 29, 2001


What does the diplodocus eat?
from Jessnor Ezrin, age 11, Johor Bahru, Johor, Malaysia; July 29, 2001


I just saw JP3 and I say that the only good point about it is that the other JP movies seem much better after watching it. I mean come on! The entire movie is so bogus! T-Rex was dragging Spino's scrawny neck for such a long time in his killer jaws and the Spino was ok?!!! Are you kidding me or is this a cheap dig at Rexy? And Spino managed to break's T-Rex's super thick and muscular neck in a instant? What is this rubbish? Look at the friggin size difference between T-Rex's neck and Spino's neck! Look at how powerful T-Rex's jaws are and how fragile Spino's looks! In fact, when they showed the Spino beat T-Rex, the audience whent "ehhhhh! kelong!an'ni quan?" (Booo! Match-fixing, where got such thing one?) It's total rubbish man! Some people even walked out during the movie, annoyed by the entire ridiculusness of it. I really regretted watching the show. Also, they made the raptors, my fave dinos, total whimps in the movie!
from Lewis, age 12, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


I have theory that the raptors sickle claw was a primitive talon if they evolved into birds.
from Billy C, age 11, Stuart, FL, USA; July 28, 2001


hay honkie why does t.rex allwase win on dinowars
from samy, age 10, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Hey Honkie, your Elsamosaurus is quite convincing! I almost mistook it for a low-res WWD shot!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Isn't a 3-foot and 12 foot long tall Spino a little otta shape? Shouldn't he be somewhat like say? 6 feet?
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


are there any down load from jurassicpark3?
from brendanr., age 11, baltimore, m.d., u.s.a.; July 28, 2001


By the way, could Rexton's jaws stand up to a nuclear missile? Didn't think so.
from %, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Honkie Tong's beautiful plesiosaur inspired me to post my CG _Carnotaurus_. Be warned: I couldn't change the size of the eye and assorted other things about the shape of the head so it's very innaccurate, it just looks like a generalized carnosaur with horns...oh well.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Good God is this Spino/Rex thing getting out of hand! The fight would not have taken place first of all! Spinosaurus lived in lower Asia, T.Rex in North America. The outcome of the fight would be affected by land terrian! If Spinosaurus was as light weight as T.Rex fans say it was it could have killed ol'Rexton easily on muddy ground. And the T.Rex in JP3 wasn't faking death, 5% of it's brain was used for thinking. I'm not saying Spino was any smarter. When people say "why didn't the Spino eat the dead T.Rex?" Maybe he wasn't hungry. In JP3 the Rex dies. Boo Hoo. I'm not a Spino supporter either. My favorite carnivore was Suchomimus. I think that Rex supporters don't like the outcome of the fight.
from %, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


"You know how I know? Because everything presented here is based on word of mouth, nothing is based on rock solid evidence. Its based on the OPINIONS of Tom Holtz and Michael Brett-Surman, and mysterious rumors that an alledged "private collector" has in his/her possession a gigantic spinosaur."

I think someone on DML said that something about the giant spinosaur was shown at SVP one year and that it may be further revealed at upcoming SVPs. They all agreed it was not _S. aegyptiacus_ as JP3 and Horner say it was though...
I'm not in total doubt that there is a giant spinosaur skull floating around somewhere. Horner is a good scientist, and although mistaken about many contraversial issues about theropods, wouldn't outright lie and make up tales about a giant spinosaur.

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Leonard is very right. EQs are not totally reliable, but usually they give the right idea. The fact is, we will never know for sure how intelligent dinosaurs were unless we have a living one to study. But EQ aside, _Tyrannosaurus_ probably was a very capable and intelligent dinosaur.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Andrew, no one knows for sure how long a _Rhamphorhynchus_ lived. I would guess that it would live about as long as a bird about the same mass as it (so maybe a couple years?).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Donovan, _Altispinax_ is probably not really related to _Spinosaurus_...it's probably some sort of carnosaur. It's actually not even known to have vertebral spines (it's only known from teeth, and is a nomen dubium).
The original "Altispinax" was moved to _Becklespinax_. But still, that's probably some sort of carnosaur too.

from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


THE FIRST AND SECOND CHAPTER OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY IS HERE!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ?????????, ??????; July 28, 2001


"As we humans lack the agility, speed and motor function they have."

Primate bodies are built differently(while similar), and are much, much stronger than our bodies. Also, as said before, they have large brains, which gives them brainpower to be so agile and have the motor function they do.

"Human IQ dosen't decrease when we go to bigger and fatter people (no insult ment here), it remains the same."

The reason people are fat (no offense) is because there are layers of fat building up. The brain doesn't control fat. And if through some radical evolution in our life, we do become larger than we are today, the brain will become larger too to support the larger forms of us. This is also shown in the natural process of growth.

"I suppose any other animal species may view us as stupid too, compaired to other primates."

Animals are incapable of "viewing" us. They cannot form original ideas or sit back and wonder about the intelligence of other animals. They are dictated and ruled by instinct. And humans ARE smarter than other primates.

"Erm, actually whales are extremely smart."

Erm, actually whales are NOT "extremely smart". Whales have huge bodies and huge brains but they are not proven to be extremely smart. What are you comparing this "extremely smart" to? If it is comparing to humans, you must be kidding. If it is to dogs, then yes, they are smart, because evidence shows that whales and dogs,or bears, I can't remember, are distantly related.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 28, 2001


J.C. do you think giganotosaurus could beat t.rex?
from Sean.S, age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A; July 28, 2001
No, they never met. JC


THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY IS IN!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ?????????, ?????; July 28, 2001


erm honkie tong can u draw a pteranodon
from samy, age 10, ??????, ??????, ??????; July 28, 2001


how long did a ramphorhynchus live?
from andrew d, age 10, ?; July 28, 2001


hay banana no won nose how fast dinosuars wer ok ok
from samy, age 10, ??????, ??????, ?????; July 28, 2001


anybody like the carnotaurus if u ask me its ok but its not my favorite dilophosaurus is hay honkie tong is your favorite t.rex
from samy, age 10, ???????, ????????, ????????; July 28, 2001


HAY............honkie tong can we be freds u cool
from samy, age 10, ??????, ??????, ??????; July 28, 2001


hay billy i duno maby 7 rapters i DONT no
from samy, age 10, ?????, ?????, ?????; July 28, 2001


actually honkie, asiaceratops was only 6-7 feet long and about 2.5 feet tall.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ?????????, ?????; July 28, 2001


hay honkie tong ar u a t.rex fan
from samy, age 10, ???????, ???????, ???????; July 28, 2001


Wow, Honkie, cool _Dilophosaurus_! I have made some computer-generated 3D dinosaurs too, such as a scientifically innaccurate _Carnotaurus_ head...maybe I should post them here.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


Not any longer,spinosaurus had a third realitive called altispinix
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; July 28, 2001


HONCKIE TONG your dilo looks fine.Honkie how do do you do that computer animation.
from andrew d, age 10, ?; July 28, 2001


Actually, brain weight-to-body weight has very little to do with the actual intelligence of an animal. Look at Orcas (killer whales) for example. Orcas and dolphins have similar brain sizes, and the dophin is cetainly much higher when it comes to the brain weight-to-body weight ratio, but the Orca is every one bit as intelligent as the dolphin, despite having a much lower brain-weight ratio. I believe this condition is repeated between Tyrannosaurs and raptors. Tyrannosaurus do, by the way, had brain sizes that were 2.5 TIMES more than expected for carnivorus dinosaurs their size (and that's not counting the lobe used for smelling.) This meant that Tyrannosaurids would have been extremely brainly for a dinosaur, if not the same or even superior to the dromies.

Sounds heretical? Well, we humans would be dumber than hagfishes, dolphins, and some primates if we used the brain-weight to body-weight ratio to measure intelligence.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 28, 2001


I donít know much about this Jack Horner person, but donít you guys think that heís just an opportunist, who tells the world that the T-Rex is a pure scavenger to make himself more famous. Itís like me wanting to have a fight with Mike Tysonódoesnít matter if I win or lose, the point is, Iíll be famous if I fight him. So maybe Horner thought that it wonít matter if paleontologists proved that heís wrong. Heíll get famous anyway. There are gazillions of big carnivorous dino species, some could be even bigger than Rex. Whyís the feeding behavior debate focused on poor rex? :(
from Guile, age 19, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; July 28, 2001


If you want to see what _Ceratosaurus_ looked like, watch "When Dinosaurs Roamed America" (I actually liked their _Ceratosaurus_) or read a book or something, don't trust JP3.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Dang...my Dilo looks like it was made from paper 'mache...
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


The Spinosaurus story looks cool. But I don't think a Spino (or any other predator for that matter) could really wistand that much bashing from an Asiaceratops!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


"Plus the t-rex had kind of a hollow skull too"

Of course T.rex had a hollow skull, if not it'll be almost impossible to carry and he'll be about as hard to kill as ankylosaurus in the head. But of course, you forget that compaired to other meat-eating dinosaurs, T.rex had an exceptionally powerfully and heavily built skull. And as paleontologists say "The undisputed champion of bite force by a wide margin"

"and the T-rex didn't hold the spinosaurus long enough to break it's neck. "

Erm, T.rex held Spino's neck for like, what? 5-7 seconds? Spino broke T.rex's much more heavily built one in like what? 2 seconds? Notice something wrong here? Actually, T.rex could have easily knived through the Spino's neck in a chomp, he dosen't even need to hold. Spinosaurus had a delicate neck. And I'm sure Spinosauriae veterbre cannot resist 30,000 newtons without dislocation or fracture, unlike the movie...and why are you making refrences to the movie? JP3 isn't a good stock for accucrate dino-info at all!

""Hello, they say spinosaurus had crocodile-like jaws and is capable of killing a huge sauropod. "

Once again, I'd like to say that having a crocodile-like jaws dosen't mean you could bite as hard as a croc. Spinosaurs have skulls that had larger holes in them and much thinner bones. Save for shape, Spinosaurus didn't have too much in common with a crocodile head at all. And no, it's quite likely a huge sauropod would have flattened him.

"And crocodiles and alligators had jaws strong enough to break cattle bones."

Once again, you're making too many connections based on simple shape. FOr the record, crocodiles do not have the ability to break bones and they contain a relatively weak bite (not by our standards though). Alligators on the other hand, bite much harder but they don't share too much similarity in terms of skulls to crocodiles at all. But then I disgress. Spinosaurus did not, I repeat, did not have the adaptations to bite hard despite the shape (which is about the only similarity there was to crocs). It's like saying a paper aeroplane could fly as fast as the concorde due to their "similarity" 'nuff said.

"A spinosaur could definetly kill a T-rex. "

Come to think of it, any animal could kill a T.rex if it got lucky enough. Nope, this point is irrevalant.

"They say even the barynox, who everybody thought was a fish hunter, had remains of iguanadons in it."

Actually these were the remains of a small juvinile iguanadon, we have no idea if it hunted or scavenged it. But than again, a small juvinie iguanadon is hardly a fight. We have no idea if Barynox picked on anything larger, but his morphlogy seems to support that he did not and was a hunter of relatively small animals, which the juvinile iguanadon remains support.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


"I mean, look at whales. They have huge brains. But they also have huge bodies, and they are not that smart. "

Erm, actually whales are extremely smart. The reason they seem dumb and stupid is because they are slow and relatively inactive. But scientists studying whales in the wild have discovered they are quite intelligent and complex indeed. I suppose any other animal species may view us as stupid too, compaired to other primates. As we humans lack the agility, speed and motor function they have.

"An animal's brain size depends on how large the animal is. If Tyrannosuar had a small brain for his size, he would have been dumber than a chicken. His brain is that large so it can have enough brainpower to move such a large body."

Actually the ratio has no bearing on intelligence. But rather on motor function. A body will benifit from more delicate motor function if it had a high neuron to muscle ratio, but intelligence remains the same no matter what the brain weight to body weight is. Human IQ dosen't decrease when we go to bigger and fatter people (no insult ment here), it remains the same. Rather, intelligence or brainpower is largely dependent on how complex and large the area dedicated to intelligence is (Something which T.rex certianly had in advantage over the raptors). Granted, T.rex may have been less agile than the raptors (what the heck, he's 100 times their weight), but when it comes to intelligence or problem solving, he would have easily equaled or exceed them in brainpower, due to his more complex brain.

We must remember though, that none of them would have been really smart by modern standards.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Actually Tyrannosaur, or dinosaur weights are extremely hard to determine in general. Some people think Tyrannosaurus weighted 8 tons while some think it weighted 6 tons. Eariler estimates put it at 15 tons, if you know what I'm getting at. The reason why people get all confused with dinosaur sizes is because we take our estimates from different people.

Let's say we have Mr. Stroner* who thinks T.rex weighted 6.5 tons. And than we have Mr. Bakker* that thinks Giganotosaurus weighted 8 tons. Now we will get all confused over how Giganotosaurus could have suce a fantastic weight advantage while only being a wee bit larger, and to mention much less heavily built. Of course, we forget that Bakker thinks T.rex weighted 7.5 tons while Stroner thinks Giganotosaurus weighted 7 tons. All experts have different estimates from different animals and if we take them all, we find that they sometimes don't fit too well.

I personally think that a average T.rex weight about 6 tons plus, (Sue was a big animal, so 7 tons is posssible) The new larger T.rex specimens might weight considerably more. But I seriosuly doubt even with a 6 foot skull though, Spinosaurus would have weighted 8 tons. 5-6 tons seem more accucrate by my scale.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Actually, Ceratosaurus had eyes that faced sideways, not exactly sideways like some chickens (some chickens have steroscopic vision!), but slightly forward due to the slope for the skull. But Ceratosaurus certainly didn't have enough vision overlap to have steroscopic vision. The Ceratosaurus in JP3 looks more like a reworked T.rex CG model to me. But Ceratosaurus was certainly a cool critter though.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


check the dino fiction because chapter 1 of The Life of a Ramphorhynchus is coming up soon!
from andrew d, age 10, ?; July 27, 2001


I read the spinosaurus story and I have to say that i'm impressed.I can't wait for the utah raptor story.
from andrew d, age 10, I, Don't, know; July 27, 2001


CERATOSAURUS IS SUCH A COOL LOOKING THEROPOD, DON'T YOU AGREE?
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


YES THAT'S TRUE. THE SHED TEETH WERE CLASSIFIED AS MEGALOSAURUS INGENS BUT WERE LATER PUT UNDER CERTOSAURUS...I SUPPOSE THE TOOTH HAD MORE IN COMMON WITH CERATOSAURS THAN MEGALOSAURS...NOT SURE THOUGH...
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


"CERATOSAURUS INGENS TEETH HAVE BEEN FOUND UP TO 15CM (6 INCHES) IN
LENGTH! TOOTH ONLY! NOT INCLUDING THE ROOT!"

Unfortunately, ?Ceratosaurus ingens is known only from its teeth. It can't be classififed beyond Theropoda with much certainty, and there probably isn't much reason to place it in Ceratosaurus. Janensch described it in 1920 as Megalosaurus ingens- how did it get into Ceratosaurus anyway?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 27, 2001


"The ceratosaurus had real small horns on top of its eyes, they were more like knobs. They were not like the carnotaur's horns, ceratosaurus did not have eyes facing sideways. They faced foward."

I disagree. If you were right, then JP3 would be accurate!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; July 27, 2001


...and besides, if we based the title of biggest carnivore on length, Spinosaurus would be the winner, for he surely seems more than two feet longer than Giganatosaurus.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Giganatosaurus's claim as biggest theropod is barely qualifying. Its 43 feet something inches long, I forgot. The largest Tyrannosaurus on display is 42 feet long. WOW! One foot and a half-feet! Almost two feet bigger!! Sheesh...
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


*SIGH*

OK look...Spinosaurus is NOT a 60 foot long, 8 foot skulled, 8 ton, sauropod-killing monster!

You know how I know? Because everything presented here is based on word of mouth, nothing is based on rock solid evidence. Its based on the OPINIONS of Tom Holtz and Michael Brett-Surman, and mysterious rumors that an alledged "private collector" has in his/her possession a gigantic spinosaur.

Even published texts are shaky, as the ONLY good specimen was destroyed long ago. The authors most likely are not old enough to have analyzed the animal themselves; thus they can only give approximate estimates or base it on the previous generation of scientists who WERE alive to study it.

The statistics vary from text, but the seem to be along these lines:

-over 12 m in length (up to 15m?)

-approximately 4.0 metric tons, maybe more, but not much more

-lack of fusion between upper and lower sections of the vertebrae suggests that perhaps this individual was immature

-conical teeth, even more crocodile like than those of Baryonyx

-skull is also more crocodile like than Baryonyx

-the specimen wasn't complete (only a number of tall spined neck, trunk and tail vertebrae, and the front HALF of the lower jaw).

-vulnerable to the Charcarodontosaurines that shared its habitat.

There is nothing in the many books I've read about any 60 foot nightmare spinosaur. Only until JP3 and its resulting plethora of books has there EVER been anything published about such gigantic spinosaurs.
from //\\//\\ ARCUS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


hay HONCKIE TONG could you draw a gigantosaurus for me?
from Banana, age 10, so, stu, pid; July 27, 2001


THE SIXTH AND FINAL CHAPTER OF THE SPINOSAURUS STORY IS IN! DONT MISS THE NEXT DOCUDRAMA: THE UTAHRAPTOR STORY!!!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 27, 2001


how fast can a spinosaurus run?
how big was a spinosaurus?

from Banana, age 10, so, stu, pid; July 27, 2001


Thanks HONCKIE TONG for the dilophosaurs picture
from andrew d, age 10, please, shut, up; July 27, 2001


I'm sure if such large spinosaurs existed, information on them would be in the news in one form or another. Even if a private collecter had such a large specimen, why keep it so hush hush? He has nothing to loose, but much to gain. It doesn't make sense.
from Benn, age 22, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


If T.Rex only got up to 7 tons, howcome Sue's weight is placed at 7.4 tons?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


YES JASON, THE WHOLE TOOTH WAS THERE.
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


BULL!!!
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Did you know that T.Rex isn't the biggest Therapod?Gigantosaurus is.
from Zach G, age 10, Doylestown, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.; July 27, 2001


The ceratosaurus had real small horns on top of its eyes, they were more like knobs. They were not like the carnotaur's horns, ceratosaurus did not have eyes facing sideways. They faced foward. The only theropod I heard had diagonal eyes was the carcharadontosaurus. And doctor Dr. Holtz and Dr. Surman said the spinosaurus probaly weighed up to 8 tons. T-rex only got up to 7 tons. And honkie, how do you know the spinsaurus couldn't twist like a crocodile. Scientist say a spino was powerful enough to kill a large sauropod. They say spinosaurs, including barynox and suchomimis, were probably like alligators and crocs, that they ate both fish and large land animals.
from T-man, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Chapter Five of The Spinosaurus Story is here!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 27, 2001


C.INGENS, was the whole tooth there?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 27, 2001


"When it comes to intelligence, it's the sheer size of the brain and the structure that matters, not brain weight to body size."

I thimk it's brain size to body size. Yes, Tyrannosaur had a large brain, but also a large body. And dinosaurs are not very smart(compared to our meaning of intellgigence). I mean, look at whales. They have huge brains. But they also have huge bodies, and they are not that smart. An animal's brain size depends on how large the animal is. If Tyrannosuar had a small brain for his size, he would have been dumber than a chicken. His brain is that large so it can have enough brainpower to move such a large body.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, Ohio; July 27, 2001


Hello, they say spinosaurus had crocodile-like jaws and is capable of killing a huge sauropod. A spinosaur could definetly kill a T-rex. Plus the t-rex had kind of a hollow skull too, and the T-rex didn't hold the spinosaurus long enough to break it's neck. And crocodiles and alligators had jaws strong enough to break cattle bones. They say even the barynox, who everybody thought was a fish hunter, had remains of iguanadons in it.
from T-man, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


HAH! Dr. Tom Holtz said that the Spinosaurus was both longer and larger than the Tyrannosaurus rex! If u dont believe me, Click on where u can ask Dr. Holtz questions. Then click on mine! (It says: Was Spinosaurus larger than T-rex? If so, was it bigger than Giganotosaurus?)
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 27, 2001


C. Inges, the fact that spino had teeth the size of rex's comes from Drs. Tom Holtz and Michael Brett-Surman
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 27, 2001


CERATOSAURUS INGENS TEETH HAVE BEEN FOUND UP TO 15CM (6 INCHES) IN LENGTH! TOOTH ONLY! NOT INCLUDING THE ROOT!
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


OH..ANOTHER THING I'VE NOTICED. IT SEEMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT SPINOSAURUS HAS TEETH EQUAL TO OR LARGER THAN T-REX!!! WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM? THE LARGEST SPINOSAUR FOSSIL TOOTH I'VE SEEN IS 4.4 INCHES, AND ONLY A PORTION OF THAT WAS ACTUAL TOOTH!!! THE REST WAS ROOT.
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP INSISTING THAT SPINOSAURUS HAD GIGANTIC DEINOCHEIRUS-LIKE ARMS? ITS TWO CLOSEST RELATVIES, BARYONYX AND SUCHOMIMUS, HAVE ARMS WHICH ARE PROPORTIONATLY THE SAME SIZE AS AN ALLOSAURUS!!! WHERE DOES THIS "EIGHT FOOT" ARM THING COME FROM?
from C. INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


THE FOURTH CHAPTER OF THE SPINOSAURUS STORY IS IN!!
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 27, 2001


I like you'r story Shane S.! Anyway,whats all this buzz,about walking with dinosaurs2!? Can somebody tell me,what in gods name that is?!
from Sean.S, age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A; July 27, 2001


Although it might sound like funny, all predatory Coelurosaurs hunting something sizeable had about the same intelligence level. The Tyrannosaurids, being slightly more advanced in terms of Coelurosaurian evolution, may have had intellgence equal or superior to that of the raptors. When it comes to intelligence, it's the sheer size of the brain and the structure that matters, not brain weight to body size. Tyrannosaurids do seem to have brians that are quite a bit larger and complex than that of the raptors in general.
from Lillian Tay, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


"HI IM NEW HERE I AM A T-REX FAN BUT IJUST HAVE TO SAY A PACK OF RAPTORS COULD TAKE OUT A T-REX WHAT DO YOU THINK"

Well Billy C, all the raptors in T.rexes time were relatively small and human sized, with the larger species like Utahraptor long gone extinct (replaced by the Tyrannosaurids). So in that case, a fully grown Tyrannosaurus rex would have been way out of their league. Not to mention there were easier things for the raptors to fight around. An adult Tyrannosaurus is simply too large, tough and mean for the raptors of his day to take on with an acceptable kill-loss ratio.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; July 27, 2001


Well Jason if you count the jaws they were same but spinosaurus also had claws a bit like baryonyx
from Donovan c., age 12, ?, singapore, ?; July 27, 2001


Velociraptors had binocular vision.
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 26, 2001


HI IM NEW HERE I AM A T-REX FAN BUT IJUST HAVE TO SAY A PACK OF RAPTORS COULD TAKE OUT A T-REX WHAT DO YOU THINK
from BILLY C, age 11, STUART, FLORIDA, USA; July 26, 2001


If Baryonx and Spinosaurus were in the same group (Spinosauridae), would Spinosaur have claws similar to Baryonx?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; July 26, 2001


I already know wwd2,stands for walking with dinosaurs2. But I never heard of it. I just want to know when it airs. Do you know anything else about wwd2 J.C.?
from Sean.S, age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A; July 26, 2001
No, I don't. JC


Oh yeah...

-Dilophosaurus...
MY FAVORITE DINOSAUR!!!!!
JP, what's with the tiny little guy? Is he a youngin? Either that, or they shrunk him from his 20 foot length. These were very cool carnivores in the Jurassic, and besides.... who doesn't like a good Dilophosaurus??????

^_^ Peaces
from BillG, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 26, 2001


Hey, I'm new to this board.

Some things I HATE about the JP movies...

-The humans immediately run into predators. In the second movie, they said the predators stayed near the center of the island, but for some reason, they weren't at the center of the island. In JP3, the herbivores are only shown for brief moments and mentioned even less. The predators are overly shown, the herbivores far outnumbered carnivores in the world of dinosaurs.

-When you hear and feel Tyrannosaurus's footsteps, they are like 6 seconds apart each. If this dino knew where they were, he must be walking pretty slow (maybe on purpose) and be stepping pretty hard to make such a noise.

-The supposed "velociraptors" in the JPs are too big to even start to be thought of as a velociraptor.

-In JP, there were only about 15 species of dinosaur. All of a sudden, there are dozens and dozens of species in only a few years. Wow, they must have had a remote control to fast foward through evolution....

-Yes, I know it's just a movie, and they made these changes to make it more appealing to the masses. I just think they should make the dinosaurs and their relations between eachother a little more realistic.

^_^ Peaces
from BillG, age ?, ?, ?, ?; July 26, 2001


Oh yeah, i'm not really sure about the binocular vision thing though.
from J, age 16, Atlanta, Georgia, America; July 26, 2001


Shaun T,you must have got your information from Jurassic Park 2.Even though Velociraptors were some of the smartest dinosaurs in the Cretaceous,they're only about as smart as the modern day ostrich or emu.And they are only bout three feet tall,not five feet and six feet and whatever
from J, age 16, Atlanta, Georgia, America; July 26, 2001


wHAT'S UP NEIL.did you know that Veloceraptors were the most intelligent dinosaurs in the world of dinosaurs.Veloceraptors had many features like binocular vision and a sharp claw on its big toe.So that was one of the most cleverest dinosaurs in the universe.
from Shaun T, age 12, London, Crystal Palace, UK; July 26, 2001


What is this,wwd2? J.C. can you tell me what wwd2 is?
from Sean.S, age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A; July 26, 2001
Sounds like Walking with Dinosaurs 2.


Is there such a documentary,as wwd2?
from Sean.S, age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A; July 26, 2001


Firebird, my Dinowarz was a one time thing! Im doing docudramas now. Would you like to read them? I finished my docudrama on Acrocanthosaurus and the first chapter of my docudrama on Spinosaurus
(some of the info in all of my docudramas will have exaggeration on sizes, diets, etc to make the story more interesting).

from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ??????????, ??????; July 26, 2001


u maybe rite about spino, but i still believe he was a worthy opponent for T-rex. And i wasnt mesuring from the sail. i was measuring from the hip. And according to scientists on the discovery channel, Spinosaurus had a body build very similar to the Tyrannosaurus Rex(both were very muscular).
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, ?, ?; July 26, 2001


Another annoying thing I've noticed about JP movies in general. Why the heck do the carnivores always make one heck of a racket while they are chasing prey? (Aka. Humans) Unless it was trying to defend its turf, chasing off intruders or something, I don't see any need for it to keep roaring whenever it chases prey for food. We don't see lions or wolves barking and roaring whenever they go after prey, in fact, if you are going after food, making one heck of a racket is the last thing you want to do if you want to conserve energy for the chase! Can we just imagine a gigantic predator running after its prey somewhat silently?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 26, 2001


Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus were about the saem height.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; July 26, 2001
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