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Dino Talk: A Dinosaur Forum: August 16-20, 2001

"I agree Jason, you're kinda stupid. You are in a state of denial, but any fool can see you are outgunned, outsmarted, outshot, outdone, outnumbered, outargued and out of options. In short, I generally despise T-Rex and its fans as they look down on Stegosaurus, but to ally myself with such a fool is an insult to my intelligence. In short, even me, a vowed enemy of T-Rex, am telling you that you have lost, now get over it, go home and nurse your wounds. By carrying on you are making every anti-Rexer look bad and stupid (though admittedly, some like ... are). Can we talk about Stegosaurus for a change?"

Since when did I become the representative of the anit-T.rex fans? Who said you had to ally with me? And by all means, talk about Stegosaurus, I won't stop you. I think the sails on his back were used as an impressive mate attractor. They could colored, and so forth.

"We T-rex fans don't even have to lift a finger for ourselves, even outsiders think that Jason, Sean and the anti-rex bunch are nothing but a bunch of fanatic "I'll do anything to win" bunch, the AUDIENCE speaks, and that says volumes more about how superior our case and arguments are. Thank you audience. Jason can go on fighting his losing battle, the world is laughing."

Well, I haven't lost yet, though, have I.

"And by the way, Megalodon is only about 45 feet, not 60 feet."

Says who? Only his teeth have been found.

"even lizards that go after large prey (like the komodo dragon), attack with their teeth alone and don't use the front limbs at all. If they can do it, so can T. rex, especially when you consider that compared to a komodo dragon, a T rex had much stronger teeth and the advantage of stereovision."

Komdo dragons don't need a strong bite, for they wage a chemical war(Septic bite).

"Man, I hate talking about my fave dino hunter's boo boos."

Well, then don't.

"I agree Rainman, Jasaon should just shut up, I'm no rexer fan, but I can tell this guy is just completely juvinile."

"jason dunno squat about animals."

So, everyone's jumping on the band wagon, huh?
Well, that's it. I will not reply to those who insult me. I will act like that post didn't exsist, and move on. This pointless debate is over for me. But that doesn't mean I've lost.

from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 20, 2001


Could T-Rex be hunting in packs and ambushing preys like lions do? That would solve the problem of agility, having to zizag less by running after the prey. That would also solve the problem of falling and hurting themselves. We know that there was much more vegetation back then and that there was a warm climate even in Northern countries.

I mean, when you look at a crocodile, it doesn't strike you as an efficient predator, since it got so tiny legs that it cannot chase after its preys! However, ambush make them very good at catching animals! Could T-Rex be am ambush predator?

Them ore I think of it, the more I think it explains it all!
from DTM, age 23, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 20, 2001


I agree with you Brad. But to answer you'r question,I don't know. You'r post is still the smartest one,i've heard all day,though.
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 20, 2001


I think all the fights should be left to websites where you can express your opinion I have a website and Im going to fix the fights in it and most of the dinosaurs in my website are about what if tyrannosaurus fought spino or gigantosaurus? These are my opionions and dont insult me for them I love the tyrannosaurus but it doesent mean he is invincibly I dont think gigantosaurus and spinosaurus are either and why do we never hear about spino fighting giganto why are the people of the giganto and spino against the tyranno? Id say tyrannosaurus vs. giganto or spino would have a 50/50 chance for a win but that is my opinion we will never know who the tougher dinosaur is but I think the people who love spino should be quiet and it should only be tyrannosaurus vs. gigantosaurus because spinosaurus ate fish and there is evidence that states that and he scavenged other dinosaurs and tyrannosaurus was not a scavenger what the freak people you think a 40 m! onster would scavenge dead things with all its power hearing and smelling I admit its arms were small but that it equaled with an extremley powerful jaw then its eyesight is terrible but its hearing and smelling is great making it equal once again tyrannosaurus was not a scavenger and I stand behind that one hundered percent
from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


I hope you have fun on you'r vacation,J.C..
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 20, 2001
Thanks. It turns out I won't be leaving until tomorrow morning.


"Uh...shouldn't we be discussing this "giganotosaurus vs. t.rex" thing,like gentlemen?"

No, we shouldn't. I'm tired of reading all of the fight posts. Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus never met. Similarly, Tyrannosaurus never encountered Spinosaurus, Allosaurus, Megaraptor, Velociraptor, or Utahraptor. And why are we still talking about the Death Star? I admit that I'm not even reading all of Dino Talk anymore, because there are so many useless messages.

There is now something I must ask:

Why?

What drives you to love one type of theropod, defending it constantly, and seeming to automatically consider other large theropods inferior? I don't see any need to choose a favourite between Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus. Seriously. And I'd really someone to answer my question.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; August 20, 2001


You`re wrong Rob that IS how you would describe rex
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


HHH would defeat any dinosaur including Spino or his weaker rival, T.Rex. HHH would pedigree them through the announce table. HHH is the game.

Stone Cold, Rock, T.Rex, Goldberg, Darth Maul... they all fear HHH.

Time to play the game!!!

http://www.wwfhhh.com/photos/index.html
from HHH Rules, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


Sean is right.
from Joe, age ?, ?, ?, USA; August 20, 2001


I like raptors,by the way Sue is dead. and its a she.
from Joe, age 9, ?, ?, USA; August 20, 2001


doesn't any body here like velociraptors?I mean I hate the sue T-rex! she always killing Raptors! I hope she dies!!!!
from Andrea.L., age 12, ottawa, ontario, canada; August 20, 2001


Uh...shouldn't we be discussing this "giganotosaurus vs. t.rex" thing,like gentlemen? We giganotosaurus fans,don't want to hear you'r childish insults. If you don't want to face the facts,you should start you'r own anti-giganotosaurus website. By the way,if you don't want to be insulted,you shouldn't insult us. (Because thats no way,to talk to you'r critics.) Anyway,if you can't talk without insulting us,I request you take you'r posting somewhere else. We know you'll use any excuse to defend t.rex,even if it makes you look ridiculous. Why does it come as a suprise to you,that giganotosaurus could beat t.rex?! Giganotosaurus and t.rex,had the same basic theropod form,therefore,both animals would've been dangerous to each other. (Because of this,the bigger theropod would probably win-this theropod was giganotosaurus.) We realy need to change the subject.(Because there is realy no reason to continue this debate,we already know giganotosaurus could win.) And you t.rex fans need to stop posting this nonsense,because nobody wants to read that crap! (Well...a crazed t.rex fan might want to read it,but we don't!) Anyway,if you're going to say something,you might as well be polite and reasonable,about it. Thank you.
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 20, 2001


I have a suggestion. Why don't you t.rex fans leave this forum,and come back when you think you can behave,instead of insulting us.
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 20, 2001


Rock- you seem to forget that I have beat you 1000 times. I am the game. I am that good. Don't forget it. When I return from my leg injury the WWF will see a reign of domination unlike any experienced before. Rock, Stone Cold, Angle, Big Papa Pump, Goldberg.... all of your A@#es are MINE.

The Game,
HHH

from HHH, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


"Go Jason!"

Thanks!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 20, 2001


"Well it seems you are exteremly stupid MrTFan!!"

This is NOT Jason 13 from Ohio who wrote this! I think someone is trying to use my name. I would NOT write something this infantile.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 20, 2001


Jason, your Megaladon stats are blown way out. A reasonable estimate would be about 40-50 feet. There are serious physical and biological problems with a 60-100 foot predatory shark hunting well!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


Why Tyrannosaurus was not a pure scavenger.

The only animals that qualify as 100% scavengers are vultures - and, of course, they cheat. From 500 meters up, a vulture can see for kilometers in every direction and spot carcasses from far away. They use up very little energy gliding down to feed. You can be a "pure" scavenger, you just have to able to fly. But there certainly aren't any 100% scavengers that live on the ground.I'm not sure I'd say that a predator "obviously wants live prey." I've seen films of lions eating meat that was literally crawling with maggots, and they sure didn't seem to be any less enthusiastic about eating it. In fact, dead meat is really just meat that you don't have to work for. Certainly there are predators that won't scavenge - snakes for example - but I don't think it's accurate to say that in general predators want live prey. But it'll be bonkers to try to say that any large, land based predators would scavenge 100 percent of the time.

Virtually all the land-based predators we are familar with today all get within the general vicinity of their prey using smell (lions, wolves, leopards, yadda yadda yadda), then locate it by hearing, and use vision for the attack. In short, it's pretty bonkers to suggest any animal which had a good nose would have been a scavenger! While that certainly may be true for some, this sequence is by no means universal. A snake is as deaf as a post, and can't locate its prey by sound. Instead they use a combination of smell, heat sensors, and sight. Birds don't usually use smell to locate their prey, especially hawks which attack from great heights. It would be correct to say that Tyrannosaurus hunting techniques didn't involve the use of arms. Something for Dr. Horner to keep in mind is that lizards, even lizards that go after large prey (like the komodo dragon), attack with their teeth alone and don't use the front limbs at all. If they can do it, so can T. rex, especially when you consider that compared to a komodo dragon, a T rex had much stronger teeth and the advantage of stereovision.

Modern day predators are opportunists and there's no reason to think that T. rex was any different. There's always a problem when people try to make an either…or classification. Like extinction theories - why not a combination of factors? I think that's the point the T. rex crazies here want to drive, that T. rex would have behaved pretty much like the modern predators we see today.

PS: I find it real odd why Horner only picks mainly on T. rex for his scavenger theory. His agruments of slow speed, poor eyesight would actually better fit dinosaurs like Spinosaurus, Allosaurus and certainly Giganotosaurus! I was also pretty preplexed when he said that Spinosaurus would have been the "real predator", very odd indeed, considering all the scavneger arguments he had put out! If you wanted to buy his theory, you will have to be forced to say virtually all large, meat eating dinosaurs are scavengers! Note that Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus crazies!
from Rob, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


Man! Are people saying bad things about my favourite dino-hunter Jack Horner? Now let me tell you, Jack Horner is contributed a great deal to what we know about dinosaurs today. He uncovered a great deal about hardosaurs and their lives, turning around many old ideas and notions. His work on Maisauria is fantastic and I'm a great fan of it.

However though, I must admit that his work on T.Rex is quite substandard of his work on other dinosaurs. I mean there is a great difference in the amount of detail and work he put into studying hardosaurs and studying Tyrannosaurs. After reading a few of his books and papers on both Tyrannosaurus and his mroe common hardosaurs, I'd realized that he didn't spend too much time looking into T-Rex at all, save for putting out the points that seem to support his theory. This turned out to be a rather bad blunder as other paleontologists more proficent in Tyrannosaurus contradicted a lot of his points. The public didn't exactly help either, taking sides (imagine how many Triceratops fans will jump at accepting the idea that T.Rex, the hunter and killer of their fave dino was only a harmless scavenger!). Of course, the burdern of proof was and still is on the side of those supporting that T.Rex could hunt, and Horner literally became a one-man show on the matter, after all the experts supporting him literally deserted! (Even Bakker reversed his opinion after siding with Horner for a while) I hate to contradict my fave dino expert, but I will have to say he is most probably wrong in this case. Of course, the discovery of healed T.Rex attacks on fossils of its prey animals finally threw Horner's theory out of the window, well and proper.

I still respect him, but I find that sometimes, a big person like him can find it hard to say that he's wrong. That's probably why he still contuines to hold to his theory. He dosen't promote it now though, and has gone quite low-profile on the entitre matter, except to make a few snide remarks while consulting for JP3. I hope he isn't bitter. But I wonder how long he can really contuine to hold his rapidly-weakening idea that T-Rex was what he said it was.

Jason, as much as I like to see you supporting Horner, I don't think supporting a discredited theory is going to help too much. T-Rex wasn't a full time scavenger, he was a very proficent hunter.

Man, I hate talking about my fave dino hunter's boo boos.
from Jonah, age 14, LA, CA, USA; August 20, 2001


Just as we all knew would happen, the dinosaur forum has been taken over by JP3 "Spinosaurus" fans (and the Giganotosaurus fans, and the T. rex fans). There are more serious dinosaur discussions on Dan's JP3 Page.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; August 20, 2001


"people what are your theories on utharaptor and megaraptor"

I don't have theories about them. What do you want our opinions on? (evolutionary relationships, diet, hunting behaviour, fighting other theropods?)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; August 20, 2001


Rexy, our unpolished hero, will have many advantages and will undoubtably use all of them and more. He is about as smart as MacGyver (as he's superintelligent in this case), and will be able to wreck havoc on the Death Star with just a popsicle and a wad of chewing gum, but he has more.

One, as stated before, the intelligence (or lack of) of the Storm Troopers. Rexy is no Einstein, but he may even kill more of them than all the Sly/Arnold/C. Norris movies combined, making him the All Time Greatest Action Hero (tm). Second, if two losers like Hans Solo and Luke Skywalker can run loose with their pet dog, uh, bear, uh, whatever and two idiot robots, and go basically wherever they want, a wild brawl Tyrannosaurid dinosaur will own the place in minutes!

Third, have you seen a Death Star? There are more places to hide on one of them than in all of Mexico! Fourth, Hollywood. Hollywood made those guys. Hans Solo was a John Wayne wannabe. They know of Earth and (since they all speak English (some with pronounced German accents, now why is that?) they have seen all the reruns beamed into space on Nick at Night (tm). Yippekaiyay Mudda@$*^$@ will work on them just fine.

And lastly, Rexy won't need the home worlds bureaucracy from PG-13 ratings to hinder him. He will have the knowledge that if the Death Star wins, the Dark Forces (another term for Bureaucracy) will be in charge. He will became just another Storm Trooper (if'n he survives). Earth might be conquered, but it would never be destroyed. The last aliens tried that and failed (see ID4). Rexy will use all that is available to him, i.e. all his friends back home, the internet (beamed over Bill Gates low trajectory satellite network), some cool guns and light sabres, plenty of poetic license, and just plain good fun, filled with fires and explosions.
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


Date line- Death Star

"The Death Star was destroyed today when one of Dinosauria's finest accidently ignited a pail of oily rags. Tyrannosaurus rex was sneaking around in Sector J when he tossed a smouldering Marlboro butt he found on the floor into what he believed to be an ashtray. When approached later, Tyrannosaurus stated, "Get outta my face scumbag, I'm gonna kick some butt. And don't leave that piece of litter there or I'll snap your neck.".

Darth Vader could not be reached for comment.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


jason dunno squat about animals
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


To a Jarson:

HEYNAS AREN'T GREAT SCAVENGERS, THEY ARE GREAT PREDATORS, YOU ...
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


I think Sean is the biggest Jerk (trademarked) here. Looking back in the archives, I found out he's the one who started insulting people because they didn't agree with him and managed to finish off his points like killing flow. He was just too childish to take that he was beaten and started to insult people. In fact, even the insults of the T.Rex fans have some truth in them, (ie: like him being stubborn and stupid), but Sean insults are just insults. Sean, you better shut your trap, you're the jerk/ bloody fool here. You have been beaten, so go away and improved yourself, quit insulting people before you are banned. Don't you get it? YOU HAVE LOST. DON'T BE A SORE LOSER. Insulting people and playing all your stupid games (I find some of his nicknames offensive and degradory to my religion), it's nothing to be bloody proud of.

This vote is for Utahraptor, the best dino in the world.
from Jimmy P., age 11, Lansdown, UK, Ireland; August 20, 2001


I agree Jason, you're kinda stupid. You are in a state of denial, but any fool can see you are outgunned, outsmarted, outshot, outdone, outnumbered, outargued and out of options. In short, I generally despise T-Rex and its fans as they look down on Stegosaurus, but to ally myself with such a fool is an insult to my intelligence. In short, even me, a vowed enemy of T-Rex, am telling you that you have lost, now get over it, go home and nurse your wounds. By carrying on you are making every anti-Rexer look bad and stupid (though admittedly, some like Sean are). Can we talk about Stegosaurus for a change?
from Stegs, age 13, Memorex, ?, USA; August 20, 2001


We T-rex fans don't even have to lift a finger for ourselves, even outsiders think that Jason, Sean and the anti-rex bunch are nothing but a bunch of fanatic "I'll do anything to win" bunch, the AUDIENCE speaks, and that says volumes more about how superior our case and arguments are. Thank you audience. Jason can go on fighting his losing battle, the world is laughing.
from T.rex fan, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


"I'm not in a state of denial. I am in a state called Ohio. I suggest that you all stop calling my posts crapola and made of complete nonsense, they are not. By the way, you spelled "idiocy" wrong. I suggest you stop this infantile name-calling."

I agree Rainman, Jasaon should just shut up, I'm no rexer fan, but I can tell this guy is just completely juvinile.
from Just another passerby, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


IT DOSEN'T MATTER WAHT T-REX DOES- AHHHGHHHH! (CRUNCH!) NOOOOOO!!!! ARGHHHHHHH! YAHHHHHHHHH!!!!(POP!) NOOOOO!!!!(SNAP!)

(The audience dodges as The Rock's (tm) severed arm is send flying over their heads. The WWF star has been killed by T-rex. He should have stuck with the fake world of wrestling instead of challanging T-rex to a real world of hurt...)

Do you smell what the T-rex is cooking??? It's The Rock!
from The Rock, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


"Spino is bigger, badder, stronger, has a bigger mouth, sharper teeth, stronger arms and in general is T-Rex's daddy."

Actually, in acutal fact, Spinosaurus had a smaller mouth and his teeth were blunter.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


Horner isn't evil, he's incompetent...
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


It seems the only people who like Spinosaurus for the reason it was the meanest dino around do not know anything about dinos besides JP movies. Your points have no effect and we shall now laugh at your pitiful and ignorant ways.

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Spinosaurus wasn't the meanest dino around by a long shot. You want to know the meanest dino? Three words: Tyrannosaurus rex osborn.

Theoretical Fight:

Liopluerodon/Megalodon

Who would win?

Liopluerodon, by a long shot. He may be marginally smaller but he packs one mean wallop, much meaner than Megalodon. And by the way, Megalodon is only about 45 feet, not 60 feet.
from Lukerish, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 20, 2001


SPINO? T-REX'S DADDY? WOOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ITS MORE LIKE THIS:

SPINO IS T-REX'S HO
from C.INGENS (im baaaack), age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


New sheriff? Spinosaurus?

HAHAHAHAHA now thats entertainment.

More like the new septic-tank cleaner.

T.Rex aint no sheriff, he's tha bad @$$ King!!!
from C.Ingens ... I HAVE RETURNED, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


T-Rex is all played out. Spino is the new sheriff in town. T-Rex is old and weak. Only old people like T-Rex. Spino is the new king. He'd snap T-Rex's neck like a croc through a water buffalo's. Spino is a playa... T-Rex is just a playa hater.

Spino is bigger, badder, stronger, has a bigger mouth, sharper teeth, stronger arms and in general is T-Rex's daddy.
from Delco, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


This is The Rock, coming to straighten out all you @#$^*& jambronis. The Rock could whup on any of these wussy dinosaurs and the Death Star! All you rex fans should drink a can of shut-up juice! As the People's Champion, The Rock will open up a can on any Lizard's Champion! So, boo-ya!
from TheRock, age &*%!, San Jose, CA, USA; August 19, 2001


Go Jason! (Please don't block this post,J.C..)
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 19, 2001


Hi, I like dinosaurs there so cool
from Kyle B, age 6, Ogden, Utah, USA; August 19, 2001


I hate www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net!!!! rex could NOT have one on ANY of
`em!!!

from Joe, age 9, Midland, MI, USA; August 19, 2001


Well it seems you are exteremly stupid MrTFan!!
from Jason, age 13, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


"Sorry Jason boyo, I'm juz a passerby and I say that ya' are just in denial. I'm no rexy fan but I can see that the rex guys have you up a tree with thier more solid, rational answers. You don't have to say they are all fanatics to make yourself look better, people looking in on this can tell you are obviously the one in denial. Give it up and stop messin this place up with your crapola and go back to preschool to argue with the kids there, at least you can talk with somebody on your level. Cos ya're pissin' everybody off with your idiocity."

I'm not in a state of denial. I am in a state called Ohio. I suggest that you all stop calling my posts crapola and made of complete nonsense, they are not. By the way, you spelled "idiocy" wrong. I suggest you stop this infantile name-calling.

"No Jason, you're as stubborn as any anti T-Rex person here."

Thanks!

"Nobody said you were making subjective compairisons, you are making poor ones. Obviosuly you have seen and learned little (saying Heynas are GREAT examples of predators???)"

First of all, why are you passing judgement on my comparisons by calling them poor? Second, I didnt say that hyenas were great at predation, and third, they are very good predators.

"Actually, Horner is also quite a master at making bad antalogies, for example, he said T.rex must have had been a scavneger for he had such small arms, and he went on to say 'If you want to catch a chicken, you don't do it with your arms tied, you do it with your arms.'"

You appear to be missing my point.

"I agree with you about the megaladon about the fact that it is a great hunter but we dont know if it is the best one of all time even though it could kill whales well some dinosaurs killed things that were bigger than there size to. Also my comparisons are just for fun its nothing to argue to me over I make my site to give tyrannosaurus fans something to hold onto for rex and I swear to you that I know tyrannosaurus is still the king of the dinos his hearing was great same with his smelling he was smart for a dinosaur and he was very powerful his teeth were long up to 9 inches and could crunch bones tyrannosaurus was truly and awsome predator and have you heard of tyrannosaurus imperator he is supposedly 15-20% larger than a normal tyrannosaurus rex his size should be about 52 ft long! can you believe that you giganto fans have your opionions to thats why I posted my opinon of how tyrannosaurus would lose to him I finished the deinonychus battle thing to so come on in and see the new battles were rex loses in an alternate ending or see the ones where he wins the battles.
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net
TyRaNoSaUrUs ReX"

I wasn't arguing with anyone. That's just another theory of mine. But how can you compete with a 60 foot long shark? Stay out of its way!
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 19, 2001


wright enough brad?
from stephanie, age 14, st.catharines, on., canada; August 19, 2001


Question J.C.. Why do block my messages,even when i'm not being insulting,at the present time? When people are insulting,I believe their message shouldn't be posted. But I don't think they should be blocked,whenever they're not being insulting.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001
Nothing has been blocked - and I have no idea don't like anonymous postings. JC


I believe giganotosaurus can beat t.rex.(This is my story,and i'm sticking to it.)
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


Honkie Tong i'm not here to insult people. I'm tired of being bullied by a bunch of no good t.rex fans. You can't just insult people,and expect to get away with it. The reason i'm being such a jerk,is because you're the jerks! I wouldn't insult you,if you didn't insult me! Just look at the rest of these t.rex fans. (Do they look like kind people to you?!) I probably wouldn't hate t.rex fans so much,if they weren't so rude and arrogant. (You'r pals are not what i'd call innocent,you know.) I believe the right to talk trash,when people talk trash to me. If you leave me alone,i'll leave you alone. Trying to ban me eh? (I'm afraid i've thought of that.) If I can't talk trash,why should they get away with it?! Give me a break!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


Well it seems now that T-Rex and Giganotosaurus hunted in PACKS!!!like wolves and like another new theropod found in Argentina that is still unnamed but bigger than Giganotosaurus (45 feet vs 42 for Giga and Carcharadontosaur and 40 for T-Rex which ranks now "only"fourth in that mega battle........)
from Biscuit, age ?, ?, ?, switzerland; August 19, 2001


Listen up honchos!

Give up Sean, you have already lost, nobody is listening to you. You can do the very least and save your dignity by shutting up instead of showing the wold world how immature and juvinile you are by pretending to be a fanatic T.Rex fan (We know you are the one behind it, we have the means to know) or by insulting people or by posting crap. You are not impressing anybody and only showing how dumb you are.

T.Rex is hellavua tough, hellavua strong, hellavua fast, hellavua mean, and Giganotosaurus is hellavua dead.
from Mr. T fan, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


people what are your theories on utharaptor and megaraptor
from greg n, age 12, miami, florida, usa; August 19, 2001


The Spinosaur win over T-Rex in JP3 reminded me a lot of Jaws II where the super scaled-up Great White shark kills a Killer whale. Well
we know for a fact that killer whales are bigger than Great Whites and that they can kill them. Of course we'll never know for sure but it seems dubious that a "non-Hollywood" Spinosaur would kill a T-Rex.

from Biscuit, age 25, ?, ?, Switzerland; August 19, 2001


No Jason, you're as stubborn as any anti T-Rex person here.

You just post the most number of illogical T-Rex arguments here that's why you're the most laughable.

LOL!
from Guile, age 19, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; August 19, 2001


Tyrannosaurus Imperator is an invalid species, and never was a true title, rather a nickname. The specimen is just a large Rex approximately 15% than Giganatosaurus. The 15% figure is based on partial remains compared to the corresponding Giganatosaurus bones.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


The awesome weaponry of Tyrannosaurus, trained upon Giganotosaurus, will reduce it to atoms, and the atoms to their component particles, and the particles to their component quarks.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


T-man is so freakin' strong, he'll pop Giggy's head like a zit. That'll be bloody fun to watch.
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


T.Rex IS a dino from Late Cretacious America, so he knows how to handle insumountable odds and dangerous freaks in weird costumes (like weird freakish horned, frilled dinos, weird, crested duckbills, oddly looking, blney dinos and dome heads), and what is the Empire but a bunch of freaks in weird costumes?. Most importantly, T.Rex is an absolute master of destroying things, Death Star not witholding, and proton torpedos be damned. If it can be destroyed, T.Rex can blow it up. And what's the only way to beat the Death Star, destroying it. T.Rex with undoubtedly win, slaughtering Stormtroopers right and left on the way, and getting on com links and making smart a(* remarks to the admirals to boot.

After happily blowing away stormtroopers for a couple of hours, T.Rex realizes that this just is not going to stop the Death Star before it gets to Earth. So, in dramatic fashion, he commandeers the Communications Center and sends a message down to Earth asking for help. Only one person responds to his hail but after a short explanation of the situation, T.Rex's contact, Ian Malcom or that cable guy from ID4, dosen't matter, both are Jeff Goldbulm, comes up with a computer virus that will end the threat once and for all. Unfortunately, it is going to take about twenty hours to install so T.Rex will have to create a major diversion to keep the enemy from discovering the plan.

But T.Rex has just the thing.

Using his ally's extensive connections, T.Rex sets up radio, television and internet feeds to the rest of the space station, providing America's finest entertainment. Tens of thousands of bored, lonely, Imperials are simply unable to resist. Thousands gather around public viewscreens and are turned into couch potatoes by Seinfeld, David Letterman, The X-Files, MTV, Monday Night Football, ESPN's Sportscenter, Melrose Place, Baywatch and The Home Shopping Channel. While the Detention Center and the Fighter Wings face off in Duke Nukem Dukematches and the main gunners are busy in chat rooms, the command structure is neutralized by unauthorized Solitaire games. Only the Admiral, who fears a long-distance choke hold by the Emperor, tries to keep order but is unable to stop the shouts of "STERN RULES!" and "Groovy!" that occasionally can be heard over the blasting Rock'n'Roll. All T.Rex has to do is sit back, relax and protect the Communications Room from the occasional unlucky intr! uder.

Then, as the virus is almost fully loaded, T.Rex lowers the boom. The radio starts playing the "Milli Vanilli/ Yoko Ono/ 2 Live Crew/ Bee Gees/ Vanilla Ice/ New Kids on the Block/ Osmonds/ Abba/ Barry Manilow" Marathon. The TV gets only four stations: Comedy Central, HBO in the middle of "Police Academy 6", PBS during "Barney & Friends" and ABC during "America's Funniest Home Videos." Meanwhile, all the computers begin emulating Commodore 64s. The entire crew is made helpless while suffering through major "quality entertainment" withdraw symptoms.

Seconds before the virus takes effect, the Admiral finally climbs over the comatose bodies (well, too much telly can damage your brain) and gets to Communications. He reaches the computer just in time to scream "WHAT THE *^%& IS WINDOWS 2000?!" before the entire Death Star suffers a General Protection Fault and explodes.

T.Rex, along with a large amount of debris, atmosphere, and technicians is blown out into space by the final stages of the explosion. Just like Bruce Willis when he ejected out of the plane in the second movie, except the explosion is bigger and has little "tinkle tinkle" effects in it. T.Rex could call it quits here, with victory achieved, but then he wouldn't be able to kick the butt of the favourite dinosaurs of his detractors, so he fights on.

Luckily for T.Rex, the Death Star had closed to point-blank range with Earth just prior to the explosion, and he was on the side facing the planet, so his eyes are only just starting to bug out like the people in Total Recall before he begins reentry. He is able to shield himself behind a chunk of hull plating and consequently avoid being vaporized during the initial stages of his fall.

Then he mounts the thinner -- thanks to ablating -- plate and rides it down like a surfboard, using it to slow and direct his descent as he looks frantically for a way to cushion his landing. Finally he notices a couple buildings with large crowds surrounding them and angles that way, hoping for a dramatic impact.

Amazingly, he crashes through the roof of one building, totally destroying it but somehow shedding velocity slowly enough to avoid death or even meaningful injury, although his custom made "I blew up the Death Star and all I got was this lously T-Shirt" T-shirt is totally torn away. He staggers outside, issues his famous "Yippekaiyay" phrase, and nimbly sidesteps the "Hard Rock Cafe" sign as it crashes to the ground beside him. Pushing his way through the adoring crowd, T.Rex heads to the Planet Hollywood across the street for a drink, and to trash the Spino figurene there. It's Miller time. (TM)
from Bob, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 19, 2001


Relax Lillian, Sean is just angry and jealous he's not as smart as you. Nobody listens to him. I don't.
from Bob, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Sorry Jason boyo, I'm juz a passerby and I say that ya' are just in denial. I'm no rexy fan but I can see that the rex guys have you up a tree with thier more solid, rational answers. You don't have to say they are all fanatics to make yourself look better, people looking in on this can tell you are obviously the one in denial. Give it up and stop messin this place up with your crapola and go back to preschool to argue with the kids there, at least you can talk with somebody on your level. Cos ya're pissin' everybody off with your idiocity.
from Mr Rainman, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


T-Rex was one phat G!!! He be capping Spino 24/7 like a mofo. All dos white doctors dat be saying he was a scavenger are wack. They don't know nuthin. T-Rex was da bomb. An just cus yur educated don't mean you know it all. I know stuff to like all my other T-Rex homeboys.
from Delco, age 12, Compton, CA, ?; August 18, 2001


Theoretical Fight:

Liopluerodon/Megalodon

Who would win?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


No matter what he says, Sean S. is wrong. Heck, he looked a lot smarter when he shut his mouth.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus are weak, even a Gallus domesticus
can defeat them easily.

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


"The comparisons I am making are purely objective. Unlike the subjective comparisons you think I am making. In other words, the comparisons are based on what I have seen and learned."

Nobody said you were making subjective compairisons, you are making poor ones. Obviosuly you have seen and learned little (saying Heynas are GREAT examples of predators???)
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


I agree with you about the megaladon about the fact that it is a great hunter but we dont know if it is the best one of all time even though it could kill whales well some dinosaurs killed things that were bigger than there size to. Also my comparisons are just for fun its nothing to argue to me over I make my site to give tyrannosaurus fans something to hold onto for rex and I swear to you that I know tyrannosaurus is still the king of the dinos his hearing was great same with his smelling he was smart for a dinosaur and he was very powerful his teeth were long up to 9 inches and could crunch bones tyrannosaurus was truly and awsome predator and have you heard of tyrannosaurus imperator he is supposedly 15-20% larger than a normal tyrannosaurus rex his size should be about 52 ft long! can you believe that you giganto fans have your opionions to thats why I posted my opinon of how tyrannosaurus would lose to him I finished the deinonychus battle thing to so come on in and see the new battles were rex loses in an alternate ending or see the ones where he wins the battles.
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net
TyRaNoSaUrUs ReX

from TYRANNOSAURUS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


"Innumerable analogies have been made by Dr. Bakker and the evil Dr. Horner. Apparently with you guys, the only ones that "fit" are those that conform to your own prejudices."

Actually, Horner is also quite a master at making bad antalogies, for example, he said T.rex must have had been a scavneger for he had such small arms, and he went on to say "If you want to catch a chicken, you don't do it with your arms tied, you do it with your arms."

See any apparent weaknesses in this anatology.

And worse, Horner actually made quite a bit of factual errors in describing Tyrannosaurus and coming out with his theories on Tyrannosaurus. My favourite is him suggesting that Tyrannosaurus could not have attacked life prey as his large teeth were too weak to wistand extreme stresses (an idea creationists still subscribe to). Of course, virtually every paleontologist familiar with Tyrannosaurus teeth contradicted him, but he brused them off, saying they were prejudiced and discredited. Of course, barely two months later, they found the Triceratops hip bone with T.rex bite marks, and scientists worked out that T.rex had an immenensly powerful bite. That shut him up good.

Of course, his theory was killed quite dead after the discovery of more than 5 seperate pieces of evidence on 5 different animals that indicated Tyrannosaurus attacked a life animal. Thankfully Horner has stop promoting his theory (in fact, he has stop commentening on his Tyrannosaurus theories since the proof of hunting was discovered), except to take the ocassional dig at the people who discredited his theory in Jurassic Park.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Sean is just here to insult people, block him.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


"Hehe, but I'm not faulting you for making the compairisms, I'm faulting your compairisms. By all means you should make compairisms, but make good ones. You compairism of Tyrannosaurids hearing to modern mammals completely misses the fact that Tyrannosaurids had much better hearing than any of his potential prey items!"

"Any paleontologist can tell you you are making dumb and largely irrevelant, poorly thought out comparisms."

The comparisons I am making are purely objective. Unlike the subjective comparisons you think I am making. In other words, the comparisons are based on what I have seen and learned. Many analogies have been made on this site for and against tyrannosaurus. Innumerable analogies have been made by Dr. Bakker and the evil Dr. Horner. Apparently with you guys, the only ones that "fit" are those that conform to your own prejudices. In short, in your minds, if any statement is critical of tyrannosaurus rex, it must be therefore be wrong, "stupid", "idiotic", and made of "misconceptions" and "old info".
Could Spinosaurus snap tyrannosaurus' neck? Of course not, but it was great fun to see. Could Giganotosaurus snap Tyrannosaurus' neck? Possibly, and it would be great fun to see.

PS: The REAL great predator was Megaladon, the most efficient and deadliest predator ever. He apparently ate whales and other whale sized creatures for lunch, dinner, and breakfast. Ever seen one of his teeth compared to a Great White's? No problems for Megaladon here. And someone tell me a "good" comparison. Really, what is an objective "good" comparison?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 18, 2001


IM going to add alternate endings for you guys who want your dinosaurs to win I have added one for tyrannosaurus vs gigantosaurus and how the hell would deinonychus float if he weighed seven to eight tons you retard i guarentee you he didnt we that much rex only weighs and estimate of 6 tons
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net
come look at the new fights and soon to add more alternate endings

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Well if it isn't the oldest,wisest,redwood in the forest,Lillian! Way to go! Next you'll be learning how to tie you'r own shoes! No matter what you may say,giganotosaurus is strait from the styx. Giganotosaurus was not as smart as t.rex,but t.rex wasn't a rocket scientist either! Despite the bigger brain,t.rex probably wasn't smart enough to make an extreme difference. In a deathmatch,t.rex could only do so much. Like t.rex,giganotosaurus was a large bipedal theropod,with an even bigger skull. Because t.rex and giganotosaurus were so much alike,they would've had a tough time,keeping each other at bay,thus the dominant fighter would probably be the bigger one. And make no mistake about it,giganotosaurus and t.rex were both very powerful animals. Note:this message does not apply to tyrannosaurus imperator.
from Sean S., age 13, ?, ?, U.S.A.; August 18, 2001


Shane,I like you. You are cool.
from Joe, age 9, Midland, MI, USA; August 18, 2001


I was wrong t-rex stinks.
from T-rex Rules, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


I hate all of u who think rex is still king. anyway it would b cool if rex was alive so the air force militiary and navy killed rex rex is fat, stupid,ugly,his head is as big as his body,spino had jaws like a croc good enuff 2 kill u and rex,
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


ur stupid. spino and gigo ate rex everyday 4 breakfast,lunch,and dinner. im smart. I M 2 COOL 4 U!!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, usa; August 18, 2001


"Even though all reputable scientists say T.Rex was a scavenger, we know better. We are smarter than scientists. Scienctists are stupid. T.Rex hunted and ate Spinos and Giggys. T.Rex would beat them both, no sweat. Science is wrong. We are right. T.Rex Rules!!! T.Rex is the greatest animal to ever live. All other dinosaurs )(*& and are very lame.

T.Rex RULES!!!
T.Rex Rules!!!
T.Rex Rules!!!"

I think whoever posted this is a Giggy/Spino fan or a very fanatical rex (doubtful, for no self-respecting Rex fan would post such gibberish).
from zzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Even though all reputable scientists say T.Rex was a scavenger, we know better. We are smarter than scientists. Scienctists are stupid. T.Rex hunted and ate Spinos and Giggys. T.Rex would beat them both, no sweat. Science is wrong. We are right. T.Rex Rules!!! T.Rex is the greatest animal to ever live. All other dinosaurs )(*& and are very lame.

T.Rex RULES!!!
T.Rex Rules!!!
T.Rex Rules!!!

from T.Rex Rules, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


To start, T.Rex rigs heavy explosives in a landing bay and triggers them from a safe distance just as a command shuttle is landing. Naturally, all the attention is diverted and T.Rex managed to sabotage the main computer core. However, before he can do away with the core, and unexpected visitor shows up. The Borg. En Masse.
Five Borg Cubes surround the Death Star. The leader, a borged form of Sean S., informs the Death Star crew the the Borg will not allow the Death Star to take Earth before they do, and that he's intending to take the earth because he wants to take revenge on the T.Rex fans for his humiliating defeats in ZoomDinosaurs. The Death Star responds by vaporizing one of their ships, after which the Borg start firing into the main part of the hull.

Borg start appearing in the main control areas, and Storm Troopers set themselves up to defend the primary firing equipment. However they notice that the borg intruders are in fact... the Red Shirted Ensigns of Star Trek who are now matching up against the Storm Troopers in a Star Trek vs Star Wars war. The Storm Troopers are routed.

The Ensigns blast their way to the main control station and are about to assimilate it when a shadowy figure slices them to ribbons, then decloaks to reveal... Predator. The Death Star destroys another Borg Cube as the Predator stalks out the remaining borg and destroys them. Suddenly, Sean S. appears on screen, his implants melting into an image of the T1000 that worked it's way into the Borg system.

Of course, the old fashioned T800 makes a spectacular entrance bye nuking several sublevels and a trench or two. The Predator notices his telltale explosions (and afraid of being beaten by Arnie again) and bolts onto the Millenium Falcon, which promptly crashes on the Death Star surface. Han Solo runs for it, but bumps into Indiana Jones on the way. The two of them adjust their hair to look properly scruffy, then take off for parts unkown. T800 blasts his way onto the surface, only to be swarmed by Ripley's Aliens and neutralized.

Meanwhile, T.Rex makes his way to the Core Reactor but is thwarted from biting through a critical power cable by the T1000, now disguised as Keanu Reaves on a speeding bus. T.Rex jumps for cover, that is, somewhere other than the reactor core, and hides from the Aliens swarming a cargo hold. Suddenly, Ian Malcolm appears in the hold and discusses how all these crazy events are covered the the chaos theory, brutally killing the Aliens with a special addendum on separate iterations.

T.Rex is promptly beamed down by a top secret teleport ray to area 51. Shortly after, the Death Star explodes.

Even more baffled, T.Rex asks "How did this happen, anyway?"

Will Smith rotates his navigational chair, chomps on a cigar, and replies, "42. That's all there is to it."
from Emar for the socially maladjusted, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


T-Rex will beat the Death Star. Why?

1) Jeff Goldbum beat the ID4 Aliens.
2) ID4 Aliens are much more technologically advanced and far meaner than the Empire, for goodness sakes, the Death Star is only 120 km across while the ID4 Mothership is 1500 km across, the size of 10 Death Stars! Also, a 15 km ID4 city destroyer can easily take out the Death Star by themselves.
3)T-Rex kicked Jeff Goldbum's arse in the first JP movie, and this was a underestimated, cheesy, movie T-Rex. A real T-Rex is much deadiler.
4)If T-Rex kicked Jeff Goldbum's arse, the guy who could beat the ID4 Aliens who could beat the empire, what do you think T-Rex could do to the empire?

It's a simple example of the food chain.

"I need to compare the dinosaurs to modern day animals, mammalian, avian, reptilian, or whatever, because these are the only examples we have to go on. If you make statements about tyrannosaurus rex based on the fossil evidence alone, you are making wildly speculative statements. Any paleontologist will tell you that."

Any paleontologist can tell you you are making dumb and largely irrevelant, poorly thought out comparisms.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


Deinosuchus riograndensis

By Honkie Tong

It seems that there has been a lot of debate on the size estimate of Deinosuchus riograndensis, the gigantic Late Cretaceous crocodilian. As of such, I have done some research on the matter and come up with the following report, which I shall now publish here. Any factual mistakes in this report are solely mine.

Deinosuchus rugosus

(Sometimes wrongly called Phobosuchus riograndensis)

Upper Aguja Formation

This animal has been poorly understood until lately, and even now, it remains somewhat of an enigma. Due to our poor understanding of this animal, size estimates of Deinosuchus have been traditionally varied, ranging from 40-50 feet, and 7-10 tons. But whatever it was, it was clearly a gigantic animal.

The first comprehensive attempt at describing and reconstructing Deinosuchus, I believe, was done on by the widely publicized skull and jaws discovered in the Park in 1940, and later reconstructed at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. The size estimates of 40-50 feet, 7-10 tons must have been first derived from this study into the gigantic crocodilian. However, latest research and discoveries made on this animal indicate that the traditional estimate may have been excessive.

The reason stems from the fact that the 1940 reconstruction is most likely inaccurate and over constructed. The original experts were working on extremely fragmentary remains and the animal at that time was virtually unknown. This could have contributed towards the inaccuracy in the original reconstruction.

In the 1999 fossil hunting expedition in the Big Bend National Park has proved very enlightening for our insight into Deinosuchus. The expedition itself was set up to study the biodiversity of Cretaceous vertebrates in sediments approaching the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary, and a week's work at the Deinosuchus locality on the River Road in March yielded 29 numbered specimens from the skeleton of this gigantic Late Cretaceous crocodile. Included are massive segments of the skull and jaws, some armor plates from the skin, and most importantly, several vertebrae. Returning to the site in November, a field party of four spent two weeks exposing more bones of the skeleton, salvaging an additional 57 numbered specimens. More parts of the skull, a thigh bone and several more vertebrae were discovered. Until now vertebrae of Deinosuchus were poorly known, but the find contains segments from all parts of the spinal column. I believe this expedition is still a continuing project to further the knowledge of the life and times of the closing stages of the Age of Dinosaurs in southwestern Texas.

Back to Deinosuchus, the new finds indicate that the original 1940 reconstruction is quite inaccurate indeed. And thus, the weight estimates of which (length 30-50 feet) have hitherto been based on fragmentary data and are highly speculative. However, the new discoveries have told us that this animal was much smaller than originally thought. Although preservation of this specimen is not good, it is the most complete example of a skull found to date in the Park. It confirms previous suspicions that the widely publicized reconstruction of the Deinosuchus skull and jaws found on Fresno Creek in the 1940s is seriously flawed.

With more parts of Deinosuchus discovered, and with new specimen should giving us a much more realistic idea of the animal's structure, scientists have been able to compute a better weight estimate for this gigantic crocodile. At best, the new estimate is now 38-40 feet, and 2500 kilos to 5000 kilos, three to five times more than the largest crocodiles alive today. The new estimates were supported by extrapolating from the largest recent crocodile, which is around 33 ft in length (In an Australian crocodile farm I believe?).

At 5 tons though, Deinosuchus would have been able to prey on dinosaurs. Indeed, some hardosaur fossils have been found with crocodilian bite marks on them, so there you have it.

Still, the WWD 2-ton estimate seems rather low, but not as far from the truth as we might imagine.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; August 18, 2001


"I need to compare the dinosaurs to modern day animals, mammalian, avian, reptilian, or whatever, because these are the only examples we have to go on. If you make statements about tyrannosaurus rex based on the fossil evidence alone, you are making wildly speculative statements. Any paleontologist will tell you that."

Hehe, but I'm not faulting you for making the compairisms, I'm faulting your compairisms. By all means you should make compairisms, but make good ones. You compairism of Tyrannosaurids hearing to modern mammals completely misses the fact that Tyrannosaurids had much better hearing than any of his potential prey items! That would have been a good indication of predatorial morphlogy! Your compairisms in no way refutes the argument that Tyrannosaurus had the ears of a predator at all! Of course, save the nose, the other senses of Tyrannosaurids were also exceptional, the eyesight and particuarly, the hearing. If it was a obgilate, land-based predator, it would not need these adaptations. And there was evolutional selective pressure for Tyrannosaurids to be considerably faster and more agile than any other large dinosaur predaotr that ever lived, and this is corresponded by a speed and agility increase in Tyrannosaurid potential prey items. If it was a full scavenger, it would have need to specialize its limbs to such an extent to move 25-40 percent more efficently and rapidly than the other large predatory dinosaurs. Tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus included, were well adapted to kill their food actively.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


Oic, thanks Brad! I forgot to factor in the height * length * breath thing.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


"But the crunch comes at the weight estimate. Deinosuchus was only 1.8 times heavier than our 1 ton, 23-foot Crocodylus Porosus! That would make him weight in at about 1.8 tons, or 1800 kilos, nearly two tons, round up to be safe."

No, 1.8 times longer. Much heavier than that. Let's simplify this by using a 90 cm Crocodylus skull, half the length of the Deinosuchus skull. We can represent Crocodylus porosus with a 1x1x1 cm cube, and Deinosuchus with a 2x2x2 cm cube. While the Deinosuchus cube is only twice as long, it weighs eight times more. The Deinosuchus weight estimate is now 7-8 tons, which would be much better for dragging dinosaurs into the water!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; August 17, 2001


Some of those people who say tyrannosaurus could not kill a spinosaurus or a gigantosaurus you guys are a pile of crap there is a slim chance if any for a spinosaur which may only catch fish and scavenge and gigantosaur is to slow also have any of you heard of tyrannosaurus imperator dangit people you all know REX IS STILL king thats like saying a smaller but faster boxer also strong may I add will lose to a taller weaker slower boxer some of you guys say your scientists well if you were really scientists you wouldnt base your evidence on jurassic park 3 also I read an article on a guy who found one of the spinosaur skeletons and this is what he said "im glad I found a dinosaur bigger than tyrannosaurus" and he also said "Tyrannosaurus is the represenetive of bulk and power" so you guys can shove it up you hole if you think those dinosaurs would wastte rex you guys are of the minority of like 3 percent of 97 you guys need to look at the fact that trex is smarter stronger faster extremley stronger jaws.
from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


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from wwercbop, age 78, london, ????, uk; August 17, 2001

I have a website dedicated to tyrannosaurus rex it has him fighting spinosaurus,gigantosaurus, rex vs a pack a deinonychus,poll, and many other things come in and see it I will add something funny on the 25 of august come check this site out
TREX RULES THE DINOSAURS
www.tyrannosaurus.cjb.net

from Tyrannosaurus, age ?, ?, ?, USA; August 17, 2001


If the Loch Ness monster is some kind of pilosaur like elasmosaurus, which he is rumored to be, T-man will have no problem trashing his butt, even if he was 100 feet long. But I doubt nessie even exists.
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


"His enormous length (55ft)and that huge sail would prevent mobility. But on the other hand, if they were on a riverbank, Spino would probably win because he is used to the muddy terrain."

Yeah right, a clumslier and potentially heavier opponent like Spinosaurus having the advantage in muddy terrain...it's like saying a shark can beat a lion on dry land. Ya kidding. Besides, how much of the world's land is riverbank? T-man will still have the advantage (actually he'll have the advantage in muddy terrain) in MOST areas, so it just goes to show he's superior. So he'll beat Spino 19 out of 20 times, we T-man fans are content with that. You can go gloss over your pathetic one time.
from Damean, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


The size estimates of Deinosuchus, the super croc.

When I was first confronted with the weight extimate of Deinosuchus in WWD, I was a little boggled by the excessively light weight estimate of 2 tons. I mean I have read extimates of Deinosuchus weighting in at 7 - 14 tons! After doing a little math, I realized these estimates were very excessive.

You see, the largest non-fossil croc skull we do have measures slightly over a meter, from the largest crocodile alive today, Crocodylus Porosus, or the Saltwater Crocodile. This skull came from an individual who was over 23 feet long. Now, we can compute the size estimate of Deinosuchus using this skull. Deinosuchus had a skull that was 1.8 meters long, so it meant that he was about 1.8 times larger than our 23-foot Crocodylus Porosus with a 1 meter skull. That would make him 41.4 feet long.

But the crunch comes at the weight estimate. Deinosuchus was only 1.8 times heavier than our 1 ton, 23-foot Crocodylus Porosus! That would make him weight in at about 1.8 tons, or 1800 kilos, nearly two tons, round up to be safe. Though it seems light, Deinosuchus was considerably lighter than most dinosaurs, despite his lenght. But frankly, this seems rational as I can't imagine a 7-ton croc doing more than a slow amble on his sprawed legs. There was a pratical limit to how much weight the non-improved stance of the crocodilians could move with efficency, and Deinosuchus was about it. Come to think of it, 2 tons seems very reasonable for Deinosuchus. But at 2-tons, Deinosuchus was certainly capable of taking on hardosaur dinosaurs by ambush at the waterside, and would happily challange a Tyrannosaurus if it was in the water.
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


"That is a poor analogy Jason, comparing modern mammalian herbivore's sense of hearing to that of T.Rex's. I don't see any relevance of that comparison."

I need to compare the dinosaurs to modern day animals, mammalian, avian, reptilian, or whatever, because these are the only examples we have to go on. If you make statements about tyrannosaurus rex based on the fossil evidence alone, you are making wildly speculative statements. Any paleontologist will tell you that.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 17, 2001


I HAVE ALOT OF REASONS TO HAVE AN INTEREST IN DINOSAURS,
1.IS BECAUSE I HAVE ONE IN MY HOUSE.
2.IS BECAUSE I AM 15 STONES.
I THINK THAT I AM AN AMERICAN.
I AM A STUDENT AT ABBOT BEYNE SCHOOL.
I HAVE BEEN BEATEN UP BY A GIRL.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO TWYCROSS ZOO.
I WILL BE BACK TO WRITE ANOTHER COMMENT

from ZIA-UL-HAQ, age 12, BURTON-UPON-TRENT(derby st), STAFFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND(UK); August 17, 2001


Any Dinosaur Could Defeat T.Rex.
from euoplacephulas, age 8, Alta, CA, USA; August 17, 2001


T.rex will certainly take down the Death Star.

Why is this you ask? Well it's rather simple. Since the T.rex is this case is a superintelligent Tyrannosaurus rex osborn from the Real World (tm.), he'll have no problem beating the Star Wars Death Star.

You see, being from the Real World in which we live, any superintelligent T.rex will have a complete and comprehensive of how any movie is made, including Star Wars. So in essense, he would have been able to control the Matrix (tm) of the Star War's universe, quite easily.

Here's how it happens. T.rex simply, knowing that the Death Star is actually all a gigantic movie prop, will have no problems moving through the Death Star as he can simply create a door on a wall and walk through it, and then remove it, just as the Stormtroopers come around the corner, swearing there was a door on that wall just now (Deja Vu, it's when they change things in the Matrix). The Stormtroopers, whose minds are trapped inside the Star Wars Matrix (tm), will be unable to comprehend all this, much less control it.

And in the event of a fight, T.rex will have no problems, by the artful mastery of the Star Wars Matrix (tm), doing amazing matrix style moves like leading backwards while laser bolts head towards him in slow-mo or doing flo-mo cartwheels through the air while firing twin laser rifles gripped in his arms and killing hundreds of Stormtroopers in amazing gymastic death effects (like spinning along the X-axis through the air at 50 times a second after bring hit) while thousands of laser bolts miss him. He'll have no problems walking right over all the Empire, if he wanted to. He's from the real world anyway. How did you think he managed to kill Vader?

T.rex saves the day! Go T.rex go!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


"There several animals that are non predatory and have great senses of hearing. Take elephants. They too have well developed ears for listening to low frequency noises large distances away. Deers have good hearing, and they also have directional hearing, useful in detecting wolves. Hearing makes for good defense, too."

Of course, but then again, you fail to point out that Tyrannosaurus was NOT a herbivore, nor was he using hearing for defense! More importantly, in order to be able to catch your prey, you have to have some sort of advantage over it. Tyrannosaurids were able to hear frequencies of sound considerably lower than most other dinosaurs, and this would have given them a great advantage. They would be aware of the prey in advance, and prehaps too steps to hunt (eg. Lead them and wait in ambush). Tyrannosaurids had one of the best ears around, certainly much better than any of their pontential prey items.

Vultures. Nuff' said. Hyenas. Those animals are great examples of scavanging creatures with great smell (and yes, the hyena is also a predator)."

Uh oh...heynas are not, I repeat not great examples of scavengers! In fact, they are sometimes observed to obtain more than 90 percent of their food from hunting in certian areas! The idea that heynas are mainly scavengers is an old mindset given birth by an old idea that refused to die after new observations were made. Heynas are in fact, one of the most competent hunters in the african savannah. And they are not observed to scavenge any more than the other terrestrial hypercarnivore in their habitat, like lions. I save for the sense of smell, Vultures are not built anywhat like Tyrannosaurids! They both had very different adaptations for very different lifestyles. Here, I'll illustrate a point to you:

Argument: Humans beings must be birds

Reason: Humans are bipedial, and all birds are, therefore, humans must be birds.

Nuff said.

Obviously, the weaknesses of equating a scavenger lifestyle to Tyrannosaurus due to it having a amazing nose like a vulture is illustrated here. The design of Tyrannosaurus suggests that it, unlike a vulture, was a very competent hunter indeed.

"Oh by the way, I wouldn't be worried about tiger sharks if I were in a giant atomic submarine, complete with an armament of nuclear missiles. Especially if I weren't stupid enough to hang around in open water with an open wound."

Actually, I think you are just avoiding the point Honkie made that animals with an amazing sense of smell are not necessary scavengers.

" Nils, Spinosaurus had a powerful jaw. AARRGH! I dont wanna repeat myself again, but if i have to, i will! "

Uh oh...bad mistake. Recent and closer investigation of Spinosaurs, including FEA testing indicates that Spinosaurus had a weak bite.

Can this be? Is T.rex actually beating the Death Star?
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 17, 2001


find a croc figure, spino had a croc like
face croc`s are fiercly territtorial and if a rexy came in byby
so also any carnivore would get tired of having only 2 things 2 eat.
PS a crocs jaws are so strong they even kill humans somtimes

from Joe, age ?, ?, ?, USA; August 17, 2001


A loch ness monster is a pleisaur,19-26 ft long,it only ate fish,Spino was 45-50 gt long and had teeth way sharper than a pleisaur, and a pliesaur is NOT a dino,only a realtive.
from Joe, age 9, Midland, MI, USA; August 17, 2001


Another one of those stupid posts by some anti T-Rex person here:
"There several animals that are non predatory and have great senses of hearing. Take elephants. They too have well developed ears for listening to low frequency noises large distances away. Deers have good hearing, and they also have directional hearing, useful in detecting wolves. Hearing makes for good defense, too.
Vultures. Nuff' said. Hyenas. Those animals are great examples of scavanging creatures with great smell (and yes, the hyena is also a predator). Oh by the way, I wouldn't be worried about tiger sharks if I were in a giant atomic submarine, complete with an armament of nuclear missiles. Especially if I weren't stupid enough to hang around in open water with an open wound."

You know Jason, you're like Horner. I think it would be better if you two have sex with him if you're able to meet him. That would be better for both of you. By the way, I read from a previous post that Horner argued that T-Rex had a weak bite and a lousy vision. How the hell can you trust a scientist like that?

It's obvious (whether you're a Gigano or a Spino fan, it really doesn't matter that much) that you're just here because you hate T-Rex and you thought that maybe by posting anti T-Rex stuff, you'll be able to convince smarter guys like Honkie Tong to believe you. Actually, most of your posts are illogical, some of them are laughable, and certainly almost all of them are annoying. You're just practically wasting some precious web space of this website by making your posts.

Jason's stupid argument number1 - T-rex's damn good nose is used for scavenging.
What f*ck*ng evidence do you have that he didn't use this for predation?
Jason's stupid argument number 2 - Deer have good hearing but the animal isn't a predator?
Again, what f*ck*ng evidence do you have that he didn't use this for predation?
If you wanna convince T-Rex fans here to believe you, show us some real direct evidence, will you? Even some of your arguments like good nose even goes to the predation side rather than the scavenging side.
Oh by the way, you're the same person that used the lousy 8 legged spider argument, right?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's the problem with Jason and that Horner person. They'll produce lousy and irrelevant evidences, an argue all their life that what they argue is true. But when some people smack at their faces more direct evidences to debunk their argument, they'll just ignore it.

One thing is for sure though, T-Rex is gifted with enough physiology to be a pretty good predator, and a pretty good killer of other predators too.
I don't care if they think T-Rex goes 20-25 mph. That's already fast. And it's just a conservative estimate. Gigano's 15 mph is laughable.

from Guile, age 19, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; August 17, 2001


THE LOCH NESS MONSTER IS MY FAVERITE DINO IT CAN BEAT ANYTHING EVEN T-REX AND SPINO
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


THE PREHISTORIC CROCODILIAN FAMILY COULD BEAT ANY OF YALLS DINOS AND THEY MUST HAVE BEEN THE SMARTEST TOO BECAUSE CROCODILIANS ARE STILL AROUND DINOS AINT
THIS ONE GOES TO CRODILIANS

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


"Spino's prey
1. Fish
2. Sauropods (needs confirmation. And even if it's confirmed, so what?)"

Don't get too drawn into the whole "all spinosaurids were totally and assuredly piscivorous" line of thinking. While fish scales were found inside of _Baryonyx_ remains, iguanodont remains were found inside of it too. And there is no such evidence for _Spinosaurus_, so we can only infer at what it ate.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


Nils, Spinosaurus had a powerful jaw. AARRGH! I dont wanna repeat myself again, but if i have to, i will! Spinosaurus could beat Rex. It depends first and formost on who got the first bite in. Secondly, it depends on location. For example, if Spino and rex are fighting int the woods, Spino will get his tail kicked. His enormous length (55ft)and that huge sail would prevent mobility. But on the other hand, if they were on a riverbank, Spino would probably win because he is used to the muddy terrain.
from Shane S., age 1000, nowhere, private property, who cares?; August 16, 2001


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from ???????????????, age ?????, ????????, ?????????, ???????????; August 16, 2001


That is a poor analogy Jason, comparing modern mammalian herbivore's sense of hearing to that of T.Rex's. I don't see any relevance of that comparison
from C.INGENS, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


All about Dinosaurs!

Dinosaur nostrils get relocated By Greg MillerStudy suggests they were much closer to the tip of the snout than thought, overturning a century-old misconception Dinosaurs' nostrils have moved. New research suggests they were much closer to the tip of the snout than previously thought. The study overturns a century-old misconception and could lead to new insights into dinosaur physiology and behaviour.Simply looking at a dinosaur skull gives few clues about the location of the fleshy nostrils, the openings in the skin that allow air to pass in and out. That is because the bony nasal openings can extend half the length of the skull - more than 60 centimetres in some cases.Yet the location of the fleshy nostrils has implications for more than just pictures in natural history books. The design of the nose influences a wide range of vital functions, says the study's author, Lawrence Witmer of Ohio University. Image: Science, W L Parsons/L M WitmerA long nasal passage conserves warmth and fluids by allowing exhaled air to give up much of its heat and water content before leaving the body. A long passage also filters out more particulate matter and collects more air for olfactory receptors. But with the traditional nostril position, the nasal passage is quite short."A little knowledge of fluid flow tells you that with the nostril in its traditional position, the nasal system will function less than optimally, whether it is used for olfaction, to control water loss, or most any other function that relies on air movement," says John Altringham, a professor of biomechanics at Leeds University.
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from The most fersome creature EVER to walk the earth, age who knows, DINOSAUR WORLD, DINOSAUR WORLD, PANGEA!; August 16, 2001


I HAVE ALOT OF INTEREST IN DINASAURS ESPECIALLY FIERCE ONES.
I LIKE T-REX

from Babar k, age 13, BURTON-UPON-TRENT, STAFFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND; August 16, 2001


"Spino's prey
1. Fish
2. Sauropods (needs confirmation. And even if it's confirmed, so what?)"

It's also worth noting that we have no confirmation for Spinosaurus eating fish either.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; August 16, 2001


"Tyrannosaurus had extremely well developed ears (from the examination of Sue, who had wonderfully preserved inner ears) that are capable of detecting frequencies of sound much lower than what most other dinosaurs are capable of hearing. Tyrannosaurus had one of the best ears in the mezonic. If you're wondering how this helps in predation, being able to detect extremely low frequencies is extremely useful in finding your prey as low frequencies travel the furthest and are extremely useful in decting your prey from a distance. Even modern predators like lions show exceptional hearing, leopards, being night hunters, have extremely good ears too. Another predatory adaptation we have to note is that Tyrannosaurus' had directional hearing, meaning that he could not only hear his prey a distance off, he could also tell from which direction it was. But I personally believe that he would first be tipped off by sent. A good sense of hearing is quite useful to an animal in terms of hunting. We poor humans are quite limited in our hearing, that's why we can't "see" how good hearing can help."

There several animals that are non predatory and have great senses of hearing. Take elephants. They too have well developed ears for listening to low frequency noises large distances away. Deers have good hearing, and they also have directional hearing, useful in detecting wolves. Hearing makes for good defense, too.

"I'm not entirely certain animals with good noses must have been scavengers. After all, sharks are the owner of an amazing nose, and I don't find myself comforting myself that I'm safe when I'm bleeding in water surrounded with Tiger Sharks just because they had a great nose and must have been scavengers!"

Vultures. Nuff' said. Hyenas. Those animals are great examples of scavanging creatures with great smell (and yes, the hyena is also a predator). Oh by the way, I wouldn't be worried about tiger sharks if I were in a giant atomic submarine, complete with an armament of nuclear missiles. Especially if I weren't stupid enough to hang around in open water with an open wound.
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; August 16, 2001


The most recent embodiment of "The Hollywood Factor" saved us hapless earthlings from total destruction by allowing a drunk cropduster to take out a 15 mile wide alien assault vehicle and allowed a cable instalation guy and F-18 fighter jock to fly a 30 year old alien vehicle, get inside a 500 km mother ship with absolutely no authentification, AND hook up a power-mac to a completly alien computer network, in order to plant a virus inside the ship's computer which by all odds should not even be using an operating system remotely similar to one on earth.

If "The Hollywood Factor" is able to suspend reality to the point such as above, T-rex's escapade in the Death Star should be a snap. At least the inhabitants of the Death Star speak english. Just make sure he has a power mac....
from Will and Amy T., age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


Ewoks beat the Empire, and were stupid. Any questions?
from Cory D., age 13, Endor City, Endor, Endor; August 16, 2001


This was a hard decision. On the one hand, you have Darth Vader's glowing blue ghost floating around, trying to tell everyone where T.Rex is hiding. However, when nobody can find him in the air shafts, Vader suffocates half the crew in a fit of rage. Just as Vader is trying to tell the other half that T.Rex is down THIS air shaft instead of THAT air shaft (we all know how stupid storm troopers are), the Energizer Bunny walks by, and Vader, pissed of by that cheezy commercial, orders everyone to open fire on the Rabbit. By some undefined law of TV physics (tm), the power cells in every blaster are transformed into Supervolt (tm) batteries, guaranteed to run out of power when you need them (tm). Now Vader kills the other half of the crew for letting a pink rabbit beat them. Then Vader's Ghost gets an Idea! Why can't he kill T.Rex like he does storm troopers? He runs down T.Rex outside the main reactor control room (I wonder what this big red button does?) and tries his strangulation trick on T.Rex. Crap. You can't Strangle someone with a light saber from a distance, and especially not good guys! So, the enraged Vader blows an ethereal bolt and shorts out the reactor controls in his self destructive rage. T.Rex finds one of the Star Wars turbolifts (tm) and heads to the 3593rd floor (lingerie, sporting goods, and shuttle bays) and flies out on a captured imperial shuttle, returning to New York to be kidnapped by men in black and taken to area 59, after which the air force and the CIA will deny that the whole thing ever happened.
from Cory D., age 13, Endor City, Endor, Endor; August 16, 2001


*Khhhhhhhhhhh* *Khhhhhhhhh* *Khhhhhhhhhhhh*
"T.Rex, I am your father"
"Lies Vader! All lies!"

Well, I think the T.Rex would get stuck in the corridors, because they were made for people, but I think he could make his own corridors ;).
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


OK guys, I was here in July and am surprised to see this Spino vs. T-rex thing still going on. Isnt it obvious, Spino fans think Spino could win, T-rex fans think T-rex could win.

My personal belief was and still is that it just depends on the day. In other words, anyones game.

Perhaps we need to take this to celebrity death match!!!
Let judge mills lane decide this one!

OK, lets speculate on another fights.

T-rex vs Steve & Terri Irwin (croc hunter)!

LOL!
from SpinosaurusFanForLife, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


A drizzle of consciousness precipitated by recent discussions concerning Trexie:-

Tyrannosaurus is a scavenger because...

(a) Its arms are too short.

Right. This agrees nicely with the recent suggestion that Crocodylus porosus isn't the nastiest thing with teeth after all, but merely scavenges the bodies of the Yankee tourists who are cooperative enough to pass away (in shock?) just in front of it. Hmm...what about the armless snakes? Anaconda? Python? They must be just scavengers! The footage we see of them killing deer and antelope on discovery must be fake. I don't think rexie needed arms too much.

(b) Its thigh (femur) bones were too long.

He's right again, you know. There's this bipedal primate with a femur/tibia ratio > 1, and it can't manage anything faster than a sexy saunter. And what exactly does he mean by too long? Tyrannosaurus had thigh bones that were very much shorter than other carnivorous dinosaurs like the Allosaurids or Ceratosaurs (so they must have made better scavengers). I don't buy Horner's observations on rexie locomotion as his claims were indeed disputed by others who DO actually go into detail studying dinosaur locomotion.

(c) Predators need good vision, and therefore large eyes.

Next time I'm in the water, bleeding profusely from coral cuts, I shall reassure myself that the shark circling me can't eat me because its vision is not as good as its sense of smell...Besides, T.rexie had one of the largest eyes (eyeball the size of a human head I believe) of all the dinosaurs! Pretty funny how Horner could call them small...besides, super-keen eyed eagles have small eyes for their size and they do just well.

And as for the keen sense of smell? Well, my recollection of N. American vegetation types during the end [of the] Cretaceous is dim (I was only young at the time) but wasn't there something about all these big dense forests? With these elephant sized ceratopsians (the 's' is for snack, as in 'rex food) trotting around in them? For those of you who have not undergone the bowel loosening experience of being close to some Elephants in the middle of dense forest, I can assure you that you can smell and hear them a long time before you can see them (and Asian elephants aren't that much smaller that African elephants). [It's] A skill you pick up very quickly. If I was trying to dine on pachyderm in such a habitat a good snozzler would be very useful - but I'd still need binocular vision for the final attack.

Other factors which are relevant - does the energetics of the situation permit such a large animal, or even any terrestrial animal, to exist on scavenging alone? It's not as if your Triceratops is going to be dying very often if the T. rex isn't killing it (can you image any other beast capable of preying on Triceratops?). If it's such an exclusive scavenger, then why aren't the teeth and forelimbs adapted to manipulating bones to get the most out of them (it can't be a scavenger because it's arms are too short!)
from Colin M., age 18, New York, ?, United States; August 16, 2001


AHEM! the Giant Gator does not exist. Not unless you want to count a 200 foot concrete alligator model...
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


The fictional Giant Gator lurks quietly in the waters of the riverbank, his target is near, he can feel its vibrations trasmitted from such a heavy object moving through the ground and into the water where he is. He raises his head slowly, carefully to check on his prey.

For a moment, he is confused by what he sees, for it didn't looked like what he expected to see. But he was sure it was his target, he had heard them call it by the name of "T.rex".

He would kill this Tyrannosaurus.

Plotting his attack carefully, the Giant Gator moved slowly towards the shallower waters as the Tyrannosaurus approaches, unaware. It will be an easly kill. Most Tyrannosauruses reach 12 meters long, but this one is a mere 9 meters long, an easy kill for the fictional Giant Gator.

Now is the time! The Giant Gator lunges forward out of the water just as the Tyrannosaurus creeped too near to the water's edge. He slams his massive jaws onto the front of the T.rex, but the T.rex did not scream, it did not struggle, in fact, it did not even react.

The Giant Gator had a moment of surprise as he found that his teeth were not sinking into the target. No matter, no time for such considerations, he attempts to go into one of his deadly death rolls in which he would literally twist his body around and around to tear the T.rex caught in his jaws apart. He heaves to one side, but to his surprise, he is unable to roll as the T.rex clamped within his jaws refused to bulge. Something is really wrong here.

Using his massive strength and weight, the fictional alligator tries to drag the passive T.rex underwater. The T.rex is surprisingly heavy. In fact, he is having a lot of trouble trying to buldge it alone. He manages to drag it about 2 meters before the T.rex kicked up twin pumes of mud and literally jumped backwards, ripping itself out of his jaws and pulling out four of the Giant Gator's deeply-rooted teeth. The T.rex moves back 5 meters and waits.

The Giant Gator knows something is seriously wrong, he opens his jaws wide as a gesture of threat, hoping to intimidate this T.rex. The T.rex on the other hand, pointed what appeared to be its jaws at him. There was a moment of silence, the tension in the air was intense...

In a eye-searing flash, the jaws of the T.rex exploded into a gigantic ball of flame, the sound intense, and the Giant Gator had a moment of surprise as he felt a High Explosive Anti Tank round hit the inside of his open mouth and exploded. There was a moment of disorentation and he felt like he was flying through the air. It was impossible, how could he be knocked flying? The sky and the ground switched places, indicating he was in inverted flight, and he saw his massive, bulky body below, headless.

He had seperated from his body.

Then it all went black.

Nothing.

Sgt. Mackall opened the hatch to let the foul smell of ammonium propellant out of the turret and he stuck his head and shoulders out of the hatch to look at the target. The head of the fictional gigantic alligator had been entirely blown off, leaving a messy, ragged stump behind that is now still bleeding sparodically. The HEAT round he had fired from his 120mm gun had done its job very well. It was a confirmed kill.

"Good shooting Woody." Mackall said.

"No prob Sarge," The gunner said. "That muffin man was no match for T.rex...what next? Spinosaurus?"

"Very well, lets go hunt other animals with their size estimates blown way off on purpose to make the world a more logical place." Mackall said. "Let's roll out!"

As the 70-ton M1A2 Abrams tank powered up its gas turbine engine and accelerated rapidly away from the dead body of the Giant Gator, the animal had no way of knowing that the Abrams tank was also called the "T.rex"...
from Sodakar, age 14, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


If those Gigano fans will use the same lousy statement that Horner used on T-Rex, they're the ones that will be hurt by the statement.

Tyrannosaurus is obviously the better predator of the two. Nuff said!

Or maybe, Gigano may have hunted more because he hunted dinosaurs that are as slow and as dumb as he is.
from Guile, age 19, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; August 16, 2001


T-rex would easily halt the advance of the Death Star for a number of reasons.

First, the admiralty of the Empire are complete morons. It is truly amazing that there even is an Empire besides a few Death Stars and TIE fighters floating around. For instance, why put a Death Star anywhere near Endor. The main raw material source and work force available are bunches of big trees and rabid teddy bears. A more logical tactic would have been to build the thing in the middle of the rebel fleet. Also,the only kind of confrontation the admirals can tactically overcome is the frontal assualt like when they destroyed the rebel base on Hoth. Even then, almost all the rebels managed to escape while the Empire was making crushed ice for their margueritas. They wouldn't know how to handle an insurgent.

Secondly, T-rex has this amazing ability to hide and appear in rooms or spaces that are too small to enter without anybody noticing. Just look at the ending of the first and best Jurassic Park movie where T-rex appeared out of nowhere to attack the raptors in the center of the hall with no doors large enough to let him in! Even better, nobody noticed the 45-foot, 6-ton T-rex until he ambush the raptors! From all appearances, Death Stars are nothing but a bunch of shafts surrounded by a metal skin with a few rooms thrown in to house the stormtroopers. T-rex is on his home turf. He can hide anywhere from the pansies in white becuse they can't even turn their heads due to those stupid helmets and his natural ultra-stealth abilities. With the ability of T-rex to move through spaces too small for him, he'll have no problems acessing the Death Star to wreck havoc.

Lastly, you have both acknowledged the most important point while overlooking its importance! T-rex will clearly survive long enough to kill a great many people, with only Stromtroopers chasing him. But why kill 37,000 white geeks? All he must do is kill three shifts of firing engineers (hampered by dorky hats), the admirals (who all stay in one conference room whining anyway), and maybe a technician or two. Do you think a STORMTROOPER would be able to fire the Big Gun? Not only does Earth survive, but once the Stormtroopers have been eliminated, the Death Star is now in the possession of Earth, ready to blow wrinkly old Palpatine right out of his galaxy.
from John Rambo, age 15, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


euoplacephulas is losing it. T-rex will blow up the death star
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; August 16, 2001


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