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T Rex might have been capable of running fast but if he ran at 30kmh and fell it would rupture internal organs.And dont say T Rex never fell over. So if T Rex did run at speeds of 30kmh it would only be on clear ground where it would be less likley to fall.If it ran faster the effects would be worse if it fell. It dosent matter how powerful its legs are it wouldn't run that fast unless it was very stupid. I dont think T Rex was just a scavenger I think it hunted animals like Triceratops. And paleontologest James Farlow knows more about dinosaurs than Honkie Tong.So its just common sence that T Rex wouldn't have ran fast.
from Owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


For you people who don't believe that T-Rex was a fast predator...did you lose your marbles?! Don't start anything about this stupid, he was a scavenger type dinosaur, cuz thats also not true and very false. You go around this whole world and find a predator that they just eat dead carrion, as in they never ever hunt, just scavenged. Otherwise, T-Rex was a hunter, he needed powerful legs to hunt, yes he was a large bipedal dinosaur, but this doesn't neccesarily mean that he's slow. No I'm not going to do all this numbers and measurements and prove to you no believers that way, I'm going to throw out common since to you.
If T-Rex was a scavenger, then he shouldn't need such powerful jaws, but then some of you Jack Horner Followers will say, T-Rex may need it to break the bones to swallow all the good stuff o meat. Such a great evolution in the jaws are pathetically wasted for scavenging is not right. The whole T-Rex running, just ask Honkie Tong for his science info, and you'll see why T-Rex is fast, if you ask me, T-Rex had to be fast in order to hunt. Your prey is not just going to lye down and let you eat it, and it certainly will walk slowly while you persue it.
T-Rex was a superpredator, and in order for it to stay alive, it had to hunt also, I'm betting T-Rex scavenged, but that doesn't mean he was just into carrion. Fresh food gives you more power, for the nutrients are still there, because its fresh. Old food on the other hand, the nutrients are drained and wasted, it seems to me in order for T-Rex to grow so large and big is that it hunted, and most definetly was able to run fast in order to catch dinosaurs of its time. I'm also betting that it maybe at times, or could be...hunted in packs, and this would prove a greater success in catching prey, T-Rex was more than intellegent enough to do this. So here it is, common since going down, T-Rex was an excellent dinosaur in the large theropod area, he will and probably is, go down as one the greatest, if not the greatest large bipedal carnivore to step foot on the Earth.

from Kamui, age 19, Green Bay, Wisconsin, ..................; October 10, 2001


Hey Brad! I like the website you suggested! To return the favor, I found a good website too. Here it is:
http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~luisrey/html/gallery/htm
Try it out!

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


"A dinosaur is a huge reptile" Not nesseccraly, Avimimus, Compsonathus, Coelurus, are all examples of SMALL dinosaurs.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


Ok I'm going to give dinosaur trivia questions and I want to see if anyone can answer them.

1. What year was gallimimus named?

2. How long was dryptosaurus's claws?

3. About how long was megalosaurus?

I want to see if anyone can answer these questions. And if they can, tahts great.
from Trivia Master, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


if you think that dinosaurs are stupid then why do you come on this website.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


not all dinosaurs were small some were less than 50cm long
from owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


"I THINK DINOSAURS ARE STUPID FAIRYTALES MADE TO SCARE AND EXITE CHILDREN SO HUH!"

That is *@#% S@&#!!!!!!! If they are just fairytales how do you explain dinosaur fossils found in rocks from more than 65 million years ago? Dinosaurs are real (well were real)
from owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


T-Rex looked like a fast runner - just by looking at his legs. But maby not, since it looks like T-Rex is a really heavy creature, and putting that weight onto those legs, they are pushing him into the ground. So maby he was running slow cause of it's heavy wieght.

----- why arn't you guys drawing pictures anymore? You guys are really good at it! I find some of your guy's art that's better then some pro people! =D --------
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


I THINK DINOSAURS ARE STUPID FAIRYTALES TO EXITE AND SCARE CHILDREN SO HUH !
from DONNA K, age 43, NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK, AMERICA; October 10, 2001


my theory of what happened to triceratops is they slept through many years and are now found as rhinos
from Cassandra G., age 12, ?????, ?????, usa; October 10, 2001


"what is a dinosaur?"
A dinosaur is a huge reptile. Some are plant-eaters, some are meat eaters. Most people like meat eaters.

from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


Rex probably could run fast but it couldnt run for very long
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


In this corner we have SUCHOMIUS at 36 feet (KILLER) last times winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And in this corner at 23 feet it's CARNOTAURUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aND THERE goes the bell and CARNO rams into SUCHO and causes bleeding.(bad) YEAH!!!!! BOO!!!!!! AND SUCHO bites CARNO'S ankles and flips him on his back and then slashes his stomach KILLING CARNO. (HE IS KILLER)see you next time on WORLD DINOSAUR WRESTALING FEDERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(WDWF
from SPINO, age 10, DUBUQUE, IOWA, USA; October 10, 2001


Yes...Allosaurus was a carnosaur and an Allosauridae.Just as a Lion is a cat and a carnivore.Tyrannosaurus was not a carnosaur,but rather evolved from a differant lineage...the coelurosaurs.Allosaurus was closely related to Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus.Tyrannosaurus was related to Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus.In fact,T-Rex was more closely related to the Raptors than to the carnosaurs.
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 10, 2001


what is a dinosaur
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


I found a great dinosaur site, featuring the art of Ely Kish. It's the world's thinnest dinosaurs!

http://www.elykish.com/Gallery/Dinosaurs/overview.htm

http://www.elykish.com/Illustrations/DinosaursOfNorthAmerica/overview.htm

I love that little Pachycephalosaurus hiding under the leaves. :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 10, 2001


"In JP3, was that a Pterodon, or a Pterosaur?"

Well, it's a pterosaur either way. Probably not a purebred pterosaur, more of a pterosaur-based monster. There actually is no pterosaur called "Pterodon", and I hope that was your mistake and is not appearing on any JP3 merchandise. I don't know whether it would better be described as a Pteranodon or a "pterodon"- did they have teeth in the movie?

"They said that they look alot smaller and harmless in JP2, and would barely kill people. They are alot bigger and fierce in JP3, don't you think"

I don't think the TLW Pteranodon looks harmless, or small. I don't know how big it was, because it never appeared on screen with the actors. Given the chance, the TLW Pteranodon could probably kill someone with its sharp beak and powerful tree-perching feet.
from Brad, age 14, Fenelon Falls, ON, Canada; October 10, 2001


"Allosaurus is a member of the carnosaur family."

There is no 'carnosaur family'. Allosaurus is a member of the Allosauridae.

"Pteranodon was a member of the pterodactyle family."

Hey, I'm not the only one who spells it "pterodactyle"! But I usually see Pteranodon in the family Pteranodontidae. It's not in the same family as Pterodactylus.
from Brad, age 14, Fenelon Falls, ON, Canada; October 10, 2001


Our idea of intelligence as human beings probably doesn't apply to dinosaurs at all, so there would not be a "dumbest" dinosaur.
from Brad, age 14, Fenelon Falls, ON, Canada; October 10, 2001


Hey Zak!
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


"Thanks for your help tim m." You're welcome, I'm always willing to help. I think that if a Deinosuchus came across say a 45 ft. T-rex, it would probably not want to fight, neither would the T-Rex for that matter. But by roaring and stamping its foot, the T-Rex would warn off the Deinosuchus
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


"Really? People keep on arguing on what the heck that dinosaur was. How come the dinosaurs were never met in JP2? They were EVERYWHERE in JP3!!"

Because JP2 technically doesn't exist. :) I hope they realize that and make a good JP movie set between JP and JP3. The Lost World: Jurassic Park isn't very good.
from Brad, age 14, Fenelon Falls, ON, Canada; October 10, 2001


"Maybe a different study showed T Rexes legs were as strong as an elephants leg but the one done by paleontologest James Farlow showed they were weaker than a White Rhinos. Anyway Elephants cant gallop and their legs are more like are saurapods legs."

Actually, the specific strength rating for Tyrannosaurus (and of other large meat-meating dinos) and Elephant limbs were lower then that of animals that could gallop. This does not mean that their limbs were weaker, but it meant that their limbs were less suited to absorb sudden stresses. Tyrannosaurus didn't go suspensory when he ran, as of such, he didn't need to have a high strength rating in his legs to absorb all the impacts. But in any case, these animals would have been fast enough!
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; October 10, 2001


thanks for your information about my request Brad! to your arguments about the dumb IQ of stegesaurus. i like to add that perhaps giant sauropods could be dumber. according to their brain size ratio in relation to their bulk, i think the huge mass would slow its brain down. one thing seems obviouse, the small head of a sauropod couldn't own a large brain. may be argentinasaurus should be the most described as the dumbest. but to all, they're just guesses.
from danny, age 16, Melbourne, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


thanks for your help Tim M. the reason for i want to know about this that i always look forward to any theropod who exceeded t.rex in size. i rather found the "biggest theropod contender" theory more interesting and challenging. i'll soon post my new theropod theorires and my lattest discovery to you and all the members. by the way, what's your opinions about how much chance does a deinosuchus stand against a large T.rex? thaks again!
from danny, age 16, melbourne, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Hmm...just to tell you people, a T-Rex could bite well over 3,000 lbs per sqe inch. The mark that was on the Triceratops was found to be only a feeding bite, so the actual killing bite would have to be much more powerful. It seems to me my T-Rex seems to get better and better as more evidence of this great theropod gets discovered!
from Kamui, age 19, Green Bay, WI, USA; October 9, 2001


Maybe a different study showed T Rexes legs were as strong as an elephants leg but the one done by paleontologest James Farlow showed they were weaker than a White Rhinos. Anyway Elephants cant gallop and their legs are more like are saurapods legs.
from Owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Yes Farlow did say T Rex could run at speeds of up to 36kmh but he said it would only run at that fast in short busts on clear ground where it was less likly to fall.
from Owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Tyrannosaurus Rex had weaker legs than a rhinoceras? Give me a break. I saw the leg of a T-Rex compared with the leg a bull African elephant.The T-Rex leg was far bigger and stronger than even an elephants leg.I do not believe that T-Rex was a runner either,but not because he had weak legs.
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 9, 2001


Really? People keep on arguing on what the heck that dinosaur was. How come the dinosaurs were never met in JP2? They were EVERYWHERE in JP3!!
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Pteranodon was a pterosaur.Remember that dinosaurs and all other animals are a part of thier own related families.Such as,the lion is a member of the cat family.The gray wolf is a member of the dog family.Allosaurus is a member of the carnosaur family.Kentrosaurus is a member of the stegosaur family.Pteranodon was a member of the pterodactyle family.
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 9, 2001


Laelaps was the first name for dryptosaurus but they changed the name to dryptosaurus because scientists found that laelaps was already a name for a type of tick.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Thanks Brad, for telling me what a "Laelaps" was. And yes I have heard of a Dryptosaurus, But I never knew it was origally called "Laelaps"
from Will, age 13, ?, ?, United kingdom; October 9, 2001


It was a Pteranadon in Jp3 neko.
from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


"This is why T Rex wasn't fast. (this was all said by palaeontologests). some palaenotologests anaylised the strength of T rexs leg bones and found that they were considerely weaker than those of the white rhino ( the largest animal that can gallop).then they worked out the forces that would be exerted if a 6000 kg t rex fell while moving at speeds of 10 meters per second.because its arms a puny the forces are calculated as the direct drops of the mass of the torso and head from there respective hieghts.the torso falling 1.46 metres would experience an impact force of approximatly 260,000 newtons and an deceleration of around 6g while the head falling 3.46 metres would impact with a force of 99,000 newtons and a deceleration of 14g.this would be enough to do consedereble damage to the skull and ruptre vital internal organs.Now the force if the T rex was travelling at 20 metres per second (72 kmh). When T Rex is traveling this fast factorsThe horizontal component of forces is more difficult to caulculate with grizzly factors like skid distance and friction coefficent. If T rex is traveling at 20 metres per second and skidded 3 metres on impact the torso would experience a horizontal force of 300,000 newtons or 7g.The resulting net force of both horizontal and vertical vectors would run out to 400,0000 newtons or 9g on the torso and 110,000 newtons or 16g for the head. At 7g a fighter pilot blacks out. At 16g his head would pop open.So it dosen't matter if T Rex is a ceolsaur or not it wouldn't of risked running very fast. So T Rex probably hunted slow moving dinosaurs."

Actually you haven't stated the report in it's whole form. This seems to be Farlow's investigation into the effects of Tyrannosaurus falling at Bakker-stated speeds. Bakker contented that Tyrannosaurus could run up to 45mph/72Kph, which was certainly a very high estimate. All Farlow did was to prove that Tyrannosaurus could not possibly reach such speeds. However Tyrannosaurus was far from being slow-moving at all! Farlow contends that Tyrannosaurus was limited to a more sensible speed of 30-40 kph, which was frightening;y fast for an animal it's size. Tyrannosaurus could have easily chased down and outrun any of his prey items. The Tyrannosaurid design is the speediest large carnivorous dinosaur ever. As a matter of fact, according to Tyrannosaurid expert Tom Holtz, a 6-ton T.rex could easily outrun a 4-ton Allosaurus, despite being 2 tons heavier. The Tyrannosaurid speed design was that advanced and efficent in dinosaurian terms. They weren't as fast as Bakker made them, but still extremely fast. Speaking of dinosaur speeds, the only Tyrannosaurus I've heard to reach near-Bakker speed is Suzie (but that's an exceptional Tyrannosaur), say what's up with the media blackout?
from Leonard, age 14, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Cryptozoology is almost as annoying as young earth creationists.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 9, 2001


This is why T Rex wasn't fast. (this was all said by palaeontologests). some palaenotologests anaylised the strength of T rexs leg bones and found that they were considerely weaker than those of the white rhino ( the largest animal that can gallop).then they worked out the forces that would be exerted if a 6000 kg t rex fell while moving at speeds of 10 meters per second.because its arms a puny the forces are calculated as the direct drops of the mass of the torso and head from there respective hieghts.the torso falling 1.46 metres would experience an impact force of approximatly 260,000 newtons and an deceleration of around 6g while the head falling 3.46 metres would impact with a force of 99,000 newtons and a deceleration of 14g.this would be enough to do consedereble damage to the skull and ruptre vital internal organs.Now the force if the T rex was travelling at 20 metres per second (72 kmh). When T Rex is traveling this fast factorsThe horizontal component of forces is more difficult to caulculate with grizzly factors like skid distance and friction coefficent. If T rex is traveling at 20 metres per second and skidded 3 metres on impact the torso would experience a horizontal force of 300,000 newtons or 7g.The resulting net force of both horizontal and vertical vectors would run out to 400,0000 newtons or 9g on the torso and 110,000 newtons or 16g for the head. At 7g a fighter pilot blacks out. At 16g his head would pop open.So it dosen't matter if T Rex is a ceolsaur or not it wouldn't of risked running very fast. So T Rex probably hunted slow moving dinosaurs.
from Owain, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 9, 2001


Hello...................Yall.

what hapnin?
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


The sauropod seen in the jungle was not really big, it is supposed to bwe 20 to thirty feet long.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Since people said that bird evolved from dinosaur, my parrot's feet look alot like a compsagnathus or a coelohysis. It's claws are like sticking out. I think he's a dino =D I have a dinosaur in my house
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


In JP3, was that a Pterodon, or a Pterosaur? They said that they look alot smaller and harmless in JP2, and would barely kill people. They are alot bigger and fierce in JP3, don't you think?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Yo i like the ankylosaurus cus it could defend itself and it had armor on its eyelashes

wazzzzzzuuuuup tim m
from Zak C, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


If theropods and sauropods are so big, how come only a tiny bit of people see them? They hide too much? it's in the 1997 guinesses book of world records - STEGOSAURUS SMALL BRAINED -, if you have it, it's in the section on page "74". Is there evidence of huge - i mean gigantic dinosaurs in Africa? I think alot of people would seen them by then.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Who said Oviraptors ate eggs in the first place?
from gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


the sauropod was found to be a rhino, but more evidence that there still might be a sauropod out there, some scientists went to the tribe in that area and showed them pictures of crocodiles, lions, elephants rhinos and a sauropod picture. Every one they asked said it was a sauropod from looking at the pictures. There have also been pictures of small theropods in the african jungle, they were about the size of a small raptor. These footprints were found fresh and not fossilized. Pteradons have been spotted in New Mexico and egypt a couple times too. Then there was the fresh body of a dead carcass of what scientists believe to be a plesiasaur because the scientists that studyed the bits of skin said it was from no recorded animal living today. There also has been a few sightings of small theropods in caves and jungles. One couple even took a picture of a raptor in a cave. So even though dinos are probably all gone, there can be a few still out there.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


anklyosaures becouse its like me good at defending my self and its charecture is like me
from lizzie l, age 12, gosport, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Neko...Baryonyx and Suchomimus were both Spinosaurs as was Spinosaurus./Thunderbird...The sauropod believed to be still living in Africa turned out to be a rhinoceros./Will...Laelaps was an old name for Dryptosaurus,just as Brontosaurus is an old name for Apatosaurus.
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 8, 2001


""Stegosaurus is in the Guinness book of world records for 'smallest brained dinosaur'" Really? I have 3 copies of the Guiness book of world records and I've never seen that.What section is it in?"

The Guiness Book seems to have deleted their palaeontology records- a good thing, since they were never really accurate. I think they still had them in 1996, not sure about after that.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


"Iv'e never heard of a "Laelaps" before Brad, what was a Laelaps?"

Ever hear of Dryptosaurus? It's the same dinosaur. Cope named it 'Laelaps' first, but this name was already in use for another animal. Marsh pointed out Cope's error and renamed his dinosaur. Cope never accepted the renaming, and continued to use 'Laelaps'. I side with Cope by at least using 'Laelaps' as the common name for _Dryptosaurus aquilunguis_.

Interestingly, Marsh pointed out Cope's error in the same paper in which he named an American sauropod 'Titanosaurus'. The name Titanosaurus, it turned out, was already in use for an unrelated Indian sauropod!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


I've heard the same story about these alleged Sauropod "sightings" in Africa. I don't believe what this man says, but you never know...
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


"Stegosaurus is in the Guinness book of world records for 'smallest brained dinosaur'" Really? I have 3 copies of the Guiness book of world records and I've never seen that.What section is it in?
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


FIREBIRD, I love T-rex AND, I love Velociraptors, but I don't like people criticising T-rex, proberbly the most powerful thing that has ever walked on the planet Earth.
from Will, age 13, ?, ?, United kingdom; October 8, 2001


Iv'e never heard of a "Laelaps" before Brad, what was a Laelaps?
from Will, age 13, ?, ?, United kingdom; October 8, 2001


I read somewhere that sauropods are still alive today, in the African Rainforest, in countries like the congo for example.

Anyone know anything?

I also read that in like 1994 Jack Horner or someone he knew found T. Rex DNA. What do they know about it know? Was it really T. Rex DNA? Anybody know? thanks.
from Thunderbird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


On the Oviraptor eating eggs topic:
The only hard evidence they THOUGHT they had was the Oviraptor lying on a nest, which would suggest that Oviraptor was an "egg theif"
NOW most paloentologists think that was an Oviraptor nest. Yes, the beak could have been used to crack open eggs, but there is no longer any SOLID evidence that this happened. Its possible though...

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


"For a dinosaur that big a brain the size of a cashew doesn't fit at all..." Precisely Neko! The reason why that seems so strange is that Stegosaurus wasn't really all that bright... It was not the lowest in intelligence, however, the Sauropodmorphas were.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Who's talking Max Payne here? It's like the most ... cool game I've come across for this year man!
from John, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001



Media

Blackout imposed on Dino Warz 3 for the moment.

What this means

is that you will not be getting update previews and contuined 3D renders

from the upcoming Dino Warz 3, the siblings have requested for the holding

of all media events until close to the release date. The siblings stated

their reason as they wanted to concentrate soley on creating a great season

for everyone. Thanks.


from Billy Macdraw, age 19, ....., ....., .....; October 8, 2001


While discussing the evidence for Oviraptor's diet, we must be careful about what is Oviraptor and what is actually Citipati.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


Phil Currie's theropod chapter in _The Complete Dinosaur_ presents some good evidence for egg-eating Oviraptor based on the shape and position of the jaws.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


"I think that the Tyrannosaur was acting quite strange, as were all the dinosaurs in that strange show. When the Tyrannosaur was chasaing the Quzecotolaus(?) he was running WAY too fast, he was actually chasing the flying reptile, and he completely ignored the Triceratops carcass on the ground."

Strange, but I'd like to see that. :)

"The Dromeosaurs were almost exspressive! Not to mention when they attacked the Apatosaurus while it was alive and kicking."

And I don't think that we know any dromaeosaurids from the time of Apatosaurus. There probably was, as there were troodonts and birds at that time, but we can't say how big they were or what specialized features they may have had.

"No animal would take that risk. Plus that downy feathered thing is kind of extreme for me. It was weird."

I didn't see the show, but I did see the photo of the 'raptor heads. There is a new little 'raptor from China that shows feathers on the face as well as the neck, so the WDRA version might be incorrect. However, they could have lost their facial feathers when they began hunting big prey and sticking their heads into bloody dinosaur bodies.

"Is it just me, or was the head of the Tyrannosaur a bit off?"

Is it the same one from WWD? I have some books with WDD photos, so I could check.

Does anyone know when, where, and if WDRA will be shown in Canada? I just noticed that the Discovery channel has broken into Discovery Civilization and Discovery Animal Planet, and there is now a National Geographic channel- is that part of Discovery too?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


"About possibly every book I read about stegosaurus, it either says that it is "stupid" or "dumb"."

I don't think I ever see that anymore, although I did when I was 11. There's a big difference in what a kid book will assume and present as fact and what an adult book will assume and present as fact.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 8, 2001


Stegosaurus wich roamed across colorado, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming about 150 million years ago, was up to 30 feet long, but had a 2 and a half ounced brain. this represents 0.004 of 1 percent of it's body weught of 1.9 tons. Stegosaurus was recorded in the Guinness book of world records - "the smallest brained-dinosaur ever".
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 8, 2001


Hey you guys, don't you think that baryonyx's mouth or jaw almost looks like Spinosaurus's? The way the teeth are set and how the jaw curves at it's tips. I just think that kinda look simular...wut do you think?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Maby Oviraptors DID eat eggs. I'm not sure, but a dinosaur that looks like that might be scurrying through nests. A beak to crack eggs...?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


About possibly every book I read about stegosaurus, it either says that it is "stupid" or "dumb". Could it be that stupid? For a dinosaur that big, the brain the size of a cashew doesn't fit at all. Oh well, that's how dinosaurs are like i guess. In the movie "When Dinosaurs Roamed America", T-Rex DID act pretty wierd. I though that T-Rex's running speed was just around 35 mph, and a Quetzalcoutlus is somewhere above that. T-Rex was almost biting the flyer's leg off, maby the programmers or cgi makers just don't know alot about dinosaurs.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Max Payne? Yeah right, Honkie. The coolest game is Banjo-Tooie!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Our story takes place 65 million years ago in what is now Wyoming.
A herd of Ananotitan wanders through a forest, as a bull Torosaurus looks on. Little do they know, not 30 yards from the herd is a 42 ft. female Tyrannosaurus Rex, hiding in a patch of Auricacia and Conifers. The T-Rex picks its target: a young Ananotitan that has strayed from the herd. Suddenly, the T-Rex blasts through the foliage at 20 miles per hour. Its mouth is gaping, 3 ft. wide. The subadult Ananotitan lets out a shrill cry before a bone crushing bite to the spine paralyzes the creature. Two more bights, and the animal is dead. The rest of the heard frantically scatters, and the bull Torosaurus walks away, wanting to be no where near the huge T-Rex.
How was that.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Gloman, the Loch ness monster photos were recently denounced as forgeries.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Raptor ruler, Stegosaurus is not the dumbest dinosaur, in fact, on the intelligence chart, Stegosaurus was towards the middle. The "dumbest" dinosaur group was the Sauropodmorpha. But Stegosaurus was not even close to being as advanced as a Theropod.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


The only reason scientists named the dinosaur "Oviraptor" is because it was found in a nest. Now, paleontologists believ this was an Oviraptor nest, so I don't know if we can say "Oviraptor ate eggs"
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


"For those who have seen when dinosaurs roamed america, don't you think that the allosauruss acted like raptors. The way they jumped high and lift their feet up almost to their stomach."

I think that the Tyrannosaur was acting quite strange, as were all the dinosaurs in that strange show. When the Tyrannosaur was chasaing the Quzecotolaus(?) he was running WAY too fast, he was actually chasing the flying reptile, and he completely ignored the Triceratops carcass on the ground. The Dromeosaurs were almost exspressive! Not to mention when they attacked the Apatosaurus while it was alive and kicking. No animal would take that risk. Plus that downy feathered thing is kind of extreme for me. It was weird. Is it just me, or was the head of the Tyrannosaur a bit off?
from Jason, age 13, Dayton, Ohio, USA; October 7, 2001


The Utahraptor ALPHA MALE/FEMALE was 8ft tall.
The others were 7 or 6 ft tall.

from Alpha Male Deinonychus, age 9, Worker Village, Isla Sorna, South AMERICA; October 7, 2001


For those who have seen when dinosaurs roamed america, don't you think that the allosauruss acted like raptors. The way they jumped high and lift their feet up almost to their stomach.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?,?; October 7, 2001


I HATE T.REX AND I LOVE VELACARAPTOR
from FIREBIRD, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Stegasaurus won the world record for being the dumbest dinosaur. So I guess your insulting raptor fans with stupid untrue facts. Everyone knows that stegasaurus is the dumbest
from raptor ruler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


No I don't think the Loch ness monster is real anymore. I used to but now I don't. The picture of its neck was a fake. the head was on a submarine. 4 men were into the prank together. Right before the last man died in the hospital he admitted that it was a fake.
Thats one reason why I don't. But thats my opinion.

from Brock H, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


I know this is a little late, but thanks JC for getting rid of this junk. However, I do not think we should barr anyone from the forums because of their belifes unless they start a large argument, like we have seen. Once again, thanks.
from Samuel C., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001
Thanks, but no one has ever been barred from this forum. JC


One more thing, Edgar. Stegosaurus brains were the size of walnuts. Raptors were one of the smartest dinosaurs.
from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


I like raptors, Edgar. That doesn't mean I'm a loser!
from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


Since I'm only talking about dinosaurs now,does anyone belive that the Loch Ness Monster is real?The sightings have been pretty convinceing.
from Gloman, age 13, ?, ?, ?; October 7, 2001


THIS SITE IS THE BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Ethan.W., age 10, Liverpool, merseyside, England; October 7, 2001


Who knows, suddenly we were talking about humans I guess. Oviraptors eat eggs? I saw a picture with oviraptors on the beach eating crabs...oh well. Their beaks looks alot like parrots, and they probably put their diet on something that's hard maby?

Yeah, Dino Crisis 2 was just exaderating. Dinos don't spit, and t-rex would have already been dead with the first blow. Maby their just like JP and try to make it more thrilling.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


These were not dinosaurs and they lived at differant times,but just for the fun of it,what would happen if Liopleurodon met Carcharodon megalodon in open ocean?
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 6, 2001


Why are we talking about Humans and other animals?This is supposed to be a dinosaur forum.I'll stop talking about it and stick with dinosaurs.
from Gloman, age 2222222223, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Oviraptor eats eggs. And Velociraptor, T rex is a theropod and a carnosaur.
from Gianna, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"Dino Crisis 2" is a horrible game in terms of being scientifically intact. I don't really think a Tyrannosaurus could survive a hit in the head from an RPG that could kill tanks in the frontal armour in the Israeli-Arab war. And the raptors....ugh, suddenly became all Aliens (tm.) like and eusocial at that, taking horrendus losses to kill some puny humans in the intro. Dino Crisis 2 mixes dinosaurs from different time and geographic zones together, messes around with their physical abilities (hey, it's Japanese! What do you expect?) and not to mention Giganotosaurus was incredibly inflated in the game, even more so then the JP3's inflation of Spinosaurus, which was already immense (In real life, Giganotosaurus had a marginal advantage in size, and that, we know now, is no longer true). It was a great game, but I wouldn't take it as a source for my info here! Speaking of games, do you want to know what is a cool game?

Max Payne!!! (tm.)

Woops, most of you here are under 17, but once you've seen this game, it sets the standard for others. No dinosaurus, but undeniably the coolest game this year, three years in the making.

-The Payne never ends...
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"I've suspended writing Counterstrike in the light of the WTC attacks, but I think I will resume soon. By the way Honkie, it's Oct 6 over there in Singapore right? How is it?"

You mean the Corrs in Concert? As you said, it was in one word: Fantastic.

Got more TOC in this time round instead of IB though, and they threw in FNF too! Toss the Feathers!
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Who here likes the raptor. u all r a bunch of losers for liking that, i like the stegasauras because it was the smartest.
from Edgar, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Hey, Gloman! Do you see bears studying the solar system? I don't think so!
Anyway, I think Tricerotops is cool. Who else thinks that?

from Miles O., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


It doesn't matter how much of our brains we use, it matters how powerful our brains are. (Do humans really only use 10% of their brains? Idon't know about that...)
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


I've heard that humans only used 10% of their brains, that's why some people that uses more has to go to the psyciatrist. They said they could psycicly hear what other people thinks o.O scary. I don't know about other animals, or how much they used their brains. What about dinosaurs? Did they used their brains to find food? Or what?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


It's widely-said that humans use 10% of their brains (is that even true?), but what about other animals? More, same, less?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


Let's talk about dinosaurs not about "humans being the dominate speicies and being smarter then animals". Isn't that why "Dinotalk" is here? Oh well, as long as it's fine with anyone else then it's fine with me I'll just tell you that humans only use 10% of our brains.

Are dinosaurs stupid? Judging my how puny their brains are. I know that probably Trooledon is the smartest dinosaur that ever lived. But still, are dinosaurs really that stupid?
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Hey yo gloman, I read your article to Tim M. So now you're saying that animals from Afghanistan destroyed our twin towers! give me a break. I know we can't read lions minds, but they don't just wake up one morning and say, " i'm going to kill zak today." or is that what you think?
from Zak C, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


O.k.! I'm underestimating animals? Huh Gloman? Why do you think we're so stupid? You don't see lions and Gazelles building 110 story buildings or curing Leprosy! Yes, everyone knows that humans are the smartest creatures EVER to walk the earth. Animals are not intelligent enough to "rise up and kill humans" like you said. They do not have our intelligence. If they did, they would have already organized themselves into a battalion and attacked. NO THEY ARE NOT THAT SMART."why do we have wars?" Gloman, in this case, you're your own worst enemy. Wars are caused by our emotions and complex thinking. Wars prove that we are more advanced. Oh, and if you look at Lions and bears, they fight to the death ovr a piece of meat.
Humans are the dominent species, animals are not as smart.

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


In Dino Crisis 2 there's a T-Rex Biting a Giganotosaurus's leg O__O they showed that T-Rex's heigth can't even reach up to giganotosaurus's arm. And, Oviraptor spits poison acid or something at other dinosaurs. does that sound familiar? Yeah, to JP's Dilophosaurus. They even jump kick you in the game. Wierd, but I don't think that it's ever true that any dinosaurs actually spit poison or something at it's enemy.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Oops, can't link to Tripod files. Try going here, and click "killer":

http://members.tripod.com/~Qilong/Oviraptors/
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


I would like to see a T rex & a Giganotosaurus fight a Rebbachisaurus& a Andsaurus
from dominic, age 10, cincinnati, ohio, usa; October 6, 2001


Honkie, you know what else is "hendonisticaly egotistic?" Taking someone else's study, putting it on a message board under their name to counter-act someone's statement, then when someone discovers what you've done, they cover their track saying that they convienently left out quotation marks. It's interesting, very interesting, becasue this "hendonisticaly egotisctic" person ever seemed to leave out the quotation marks when debunking someone else's statement.

Really, I find that someone who does this should think twice before calling others egotistic.
from Skeptic, age 13, Toronto, Ontario, Canada; October 6, 2001


The neck frill was also made up. Some creators said that the frill and tyrannasaurd like head came from the dna.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


I was at the mall yeaterday, and I decided to see what kinds of dinosaurs the dollar store had. It's kind of interesting to see how toy dinosaurs evolve, and all of the amusing mistakes I sometimes notice. Biggest surprise: Not a singe Spinosaurus! There were some pretty good ones- a good Pinacosaurus, a great Apatosaurus rearing on its hind legs, a passable but scaly Deinonychus. One toy was labeled "Metriacanthosaurus" but restored as a Dimetron-like creature (long spines, four short legs). Now, how anyone would know the name Metricanthosaurus without knowing what it was is a bit confusing! A typical example of bad sculpting was an "Allosaurus" with five-fingered hands. There were also a lot of hollow dinosaurs that sqeaked when squeezed... what child with knowlegde of Tyrannosaurus would not consider that an insult to the great predators? :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


"I'm new here, but I wanna know if oviraptor is built to run, and kill other dinosaurs? I thought they only ate small things like fish, lizards, etc. etc"

I don't know. Reminds me of Jamie Headden's drawing...

Killer Oviraptor!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


Yes, I like Crichton's dinosaur ideas too, at least when presented as fiction. The spitting Dilophosaurus could add a lot of suspense to the JP story, and I was disappointed to not see any in JP3. What was the point of that neck frill, though?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


"Allosaurs,Megalosaurs, and Spinosaurs were all carnosaurs which means that they were all closely related to each other."

Allosaurus is a definite carnosaur, but the other two are pretty questionable.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


Hi, Asli! Welcome to Dino Talk. And Spino is definently not the size of a dog.
from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


hey JC, Necko and Neko is the same thing, okay? I just took out the c so it'll look better. =D Thank u!

I'm new here, but I wanna know if oviraptor is built to run, and kill other dinosaurs? I thought they only ate small things like fish, lizards, etc. etc.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Yeah, and it's fun to see dinosaurs chase after people and their cars too. Do you think in reality if humans are living with them, will they just sit around and stare at you? The movies should have atleast some thrills and action in it somewhere.
from Neko, age 11, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


The jp creators where a complete genious. but as you say some things where wrong like dilophosaurus poison. but all the other things are complete correct
from Alejandro, age 14, ?, ?, mexico; October 6, 2001


Tim M.,how should u know that animals can't do that.Just like I said in my post,u don't know how a lion or a bear thinks.U can't read into their mind.I think u are seriously underestimating animals.If Humans are so smart,howcome we have wars.We should form a peaceful socitity.We can't live without destroying something.Sadly,we serve no porpose on Earth.We will eventually destroy ourselves and I didn't ask u to try to correct my post,so back off!
from Gloman, age 13, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


I've suspended writing Counterstrike in the light of the WTC attacks, but I think I will resume soon. By the way Honkie, it's Oct 6 over there in Singapore right? How is it?
from Billy Macdraw, age 18, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"Is T Rex a theropod and a carnosaur?? Or is it just a carnosaur?"

It is a theropod, a neotheropod, a tetanurine, a coelurosaur, an arctometatarsalian, and a tyrannosauroid. It is no longer considered a carnosaur, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. proved that all large theropods are not carnosaurs and that tyrannosaurs are actually very large coelurosaurs.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Do you think T-Rex is still the king or is Spino and Giga catching up?
from Velociraptor, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


On the off-topic topic of Homo sapiens....

I actually like our species. We're the only modern animals to have gained a knowledge of the earth's past and be fascinated by dinosaurs. But I don't think we're the dominant species on the planet, and we never will be. Perhaps we're the dominant land-based tetrapod, but that's it!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


Okay I'm sick of this creationism vs. evolution thing! Bash me all you want, but I think you can be a religious scientist! Personally I do belive that evolution did happen, but God, or whoever you belive in, controlled it! This is my opinion, so respect it. As for Norman, I seriously doubt you are actually 52 years old!
from Samuel C., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


IN Jp they put in untrue stuff to make it more exciting. If they made the raptors dumber it wouldn't be as tense, even though it makes a lot of people mad that they're not using real facts.
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Hey Robert the book you read that said Spinosaurus was as big as a dog was probably about dimetridon. Not a dinosaur but it had a sale and wasn't very big.
from Brock H, age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


T-Rex is a Coelurosaur, which is a Theropod.
from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


Hey robert! Utahraptor was about 8 ft. tall. If you think it took apes a long time to evolve into humans(It took about 9 million years)
well that's actually a short time... Dinosaurs lived for 250 million years. The reason why it is important that early apes had to be tree climbers is because that's when primates evolved opposable thumbs and stereoscopic vision. We ARE primates. We ARE related to apes. We DID evolve from them!

from Tim M., age ?, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"Is T Rex a theropod and a carnosaur?? Or is it just a carnosaur?"

T. rex was a theropod, but it was not a carnosaur.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; October 6, 2001


T-rex was both a theropod and a carnosaur.
from Donovan c., age 12 YEARS, ?, SINGAPORE, ?; October 6, 2001


Tyrannosaurs were theropods,but not carnosaurs.Allosaurs,Megalosaurs, and Spinosaurs were all carnosaurs which means that they were all closely related to each other.Tyrannosaurs evolved from coelurosaurs, which were closely related to the raptors and-( strange as it may seem )-to birds.Tyrannosaurus Rex is more closely related to a chicken than to Allosaurus.
from Toby, age -( ? )-, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.A.; October 6, 2001


"Scientists cant decide whether the T rex is an herbivore or a carnivore "

Sorry, I don't see any paper published by Tom Holtz, Horner or Bakker called "The unusual morphlogical structures of Cretaceous Theropoda indicating herbivory behaviour in Tyrannosaurids". Apparently, the scientists are very decided over what T.rex ate. And that was meat.

For goodness sakes! Can you please, please get your info from any other then Creationist views?
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"F.Y.I. (for your information)Scientists cant decide whether the T rex is an herbivore or a carnivore because apparently T rex's teeth are hollow! (it surprised me too)"

Oh no! Though I share their core beliefs, the creationists' blatant disregard for common sense is appaling! Talk about a case of wishful thinking! You mean they are still going on about T.rex being a herbivore?

What's so surprising about that? T.rex replaced its teeth by forcing the new one up within the root of the old one until the old one fell out. This method of replacing teeth apparently had something to do with keeping it's dental weapons primed and ready for bone-crushing forces. The old tooth that fell out, would, of course be hollow. In some cases, both sets of teeth fall out and we get a "solid" tooth. But in any case, T.rex carnivory is almost undisputed! We had way too much evidence, going from finding other dinosaurs in T.rex stomaches, T.rex bite marks on other dinosaur bones, and if any Tyrannosaurus were ever herbivorous, they obviously weren't preserved in the fossil record as we haven't found anything to suggest that. Even fossilized T.rex dung gave us nothing but evidence of carnivory. I'm sorry, but any notion of T.rex being a herbivore (or a specialized one at that) is certainly very dead.

Want to see a herbivorous Tyrannosaurus? Only in Barney and friends.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"While no match for a T-Rex,i dought that Spinosaurus had weak jaws. The Spinosaur family were semi-aquatic dinosaurs and very "crocodile-like" with jaws very similar.Crocodiles have powerful jaws."

Actually, you must be the 3,000 th person I've seen fall for the "Spinosaurus had similar jaws with crocodiles and thus he had a powerful bite" trap. I would like to state briefly that Spinosaurus' skull, while similar in shape to that of a crocodiles' was functionally very different in terms of morphlogical biomechnical construction and design. Spinosaurus lacked the equipment for a powerful bite. In fact, the animal that shares the most similarities with crocs in terms of biomechnical adaptations for a powerful bite is Tyrannosaurus.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


"I really doubt that any dinosaur around the size of Tyrannosaur and larger could swim. Their mass would most likely weigh more than the amount of water they can displace. In other words, they would sink. How could they generate the pressure to inhale anyway?"

Why not? The figure for the average density of Tyrannosaurus was less then that of the density of water. He would have floated quite easily. How would he propel himself? I suppose with his legs and tail. I don't think Tyrannosaurus would have submerged himself a great deal in his method of swimming, so pressure is not really an issue. Prehaps ankylosaurus is one dinosaur I would not put as a swimmer.

"Their mass would most likely weigh more than the amount of water they can displace."

Huh??? What kind of science is that? Unless Tyrannosaurus was denser then water, which he was not, he would weight more then the amount of water his displaces. This point is immaterial.
from Honkie Tong, age 17, ?, ?, ?; October 6, 2001


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