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Dino Talk: A Dinosaur Forum

Early March 2001

Looks like a new dinosaur construction toy. Want to all buy some, and have challenges to create the best representation of a particular species? The parts should work with normal LEGO too. These look really fun!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 15, 2001

I only like the first and second illustrated books by James Gurney. The little novel things aren't very interesting, and the third illustrated book featured no dinosaurs.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 15, 2001

Honkie Tong, could you write Dino Warz?
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 15, 2001

Brad, you read Dinotopia? Cool. Anyway, it is:

Dino News

March 15th

This is the first issue of the Dino News newsletter. It will tell you about dinosaur finds, events, Dino Talk, Dino Favorites, Dino Fiction, and the Science Forum.

The Museum of Science has a new exibit in congunction with the discovery channel show, Land of the Mammoth. It uncovers fossil digging, discoveries in the yard, and the Jarkov Mammoth. Other news there is they are continueing work on the new T.Rex and T.Rex: Back to the Cretatious is airing with the progect.

There has not been any news I have heard of.

Dino Talk
Lately, there have been 3 main topics: Hoax or Not?, Bible and Dinosaurs, and Dino Coulars. The first is if there is proof of dinosaurs existance, the second is how you can belive in the Torah and dinosaurs at the same time, and the third is about how people patray dinosaurs in diferent coulars.

Science forum
Nothing is going on there! Just like when firebird and Honkie were gone, at the science forum I am fealing lonely.

Because Macdraw's computer crashed, I wrote a story where I take over for Dino Warz host. It has new spinoffs for Dino Warz and Dino-show-us.

from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 15, 2001

What ever happened to the science forum? Is it coming back, or is this my worst nightmare. I could bring it back to life, but no one will respond. Please respond.
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 14, 2001

It's _Saurolophus angustirostris_.

Differs from S. osborni in having a narrower skull and probably a longer crest, shorter exerior nasal openings, shorter and probably deeper lacrimal, anterior portion of the jugal elongating into a long process wedging between maxillia and lacrimal (S. osborni has a short, blunt process on the jugal) (Glut 1997)

That's probably enough to make it a seperate genus, and I wouldn't be surprised if somebody did that soon. I'd rather not. Read _Dinosaur Lives_ (Horner and Dobb, 1997) and you'll probably be convinced that the species/genus/family/order/class system only works with modern animals and is not suitable for the study of dinosaurs. Current cladistics isn't good enough because the genus/species named continue to be applied. I don't think there are any dinosaurs closer to S. angustirostris than S. osborni, so we really don't need a taxon for animals closer to S. angustirostris than s. osboni- that taxon is already called Saurolophus. You would need evidence that Asian species only resembles the North American one due to convergent evolution to propose a new 'genus', but I don't think that has been suggested.

Cladistics is classification based on evolution, but not with the genera and species left unaltered. Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis should be classified as

Einiosaurus procurvicornis
Achelousaurus horneri
Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis

Einiosaurus and Achelosaurus, which are presumed to be direct ancestors of Pachyrhinosaurus, are listed as higher taxa that include it. Also, since Einiosaurus and Achelosaurus only have one 'species', Einiosaurus and Einiosaurus procurvicornis mean the same thing.

At the time it lived, Achelousaurus would have been a valid genus. But looking back on its evolutionary relationships with later centrosaurines, excluding Pachyrhinosaurus from Achelousaurus is a ridiculous as excluding Aves from Reptilia. (yes, lots of people want to do tht too)

Genera on their own are kind of useless, and no more worthy of discussion than any other group. Books the group dinosaurs alphabetically by genus are extremely convenient, but wrong. Everyone probably knows that if two animals can produce healthy offspring, they belong to the same species. But when genus is defined as "a group of closely related species", you have to ask- "Where does one genus end and another begin????" That's why I want to have some genera included witihn others, but I don't think that's goign to catch on in the near future.

*We can debate the s in Ceratopsia, but I say it went unnoticed too long to be changed, and should be left as it is. Plus, Ceratopia just sounds like a region of Dinotopia. :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 14, 2001

I'm sorry I have been gone for so long. I've just been very busy between school and sports and tons of other things.

No one knows why dinosaurs died out. I sort of used to have my own theory, but it isn't very likely and doesn't explain why other creatures, not just dinosaurs, died out :( I just can't get over how some kinds of larger animals (namely crocodiles) didn't die out. Like people have been saying, science doesn't explain everything.

I recently came across to someone's posting that said that the species of Saurolophus known from Mongolia ( I forget the species name, but it starts with an Aug ) should be considered a genus of it's own. Do you agree with this????????????
from russell p, age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 13, 2001

Oh, Ok. I see what you mean.
from DW hasbeenusingacoolintellimouseforalongtime, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 13, 2001

Honkie is using a cool intellimouse!
from Honkie Tong is using a cool intellimouse, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 13, 2001

Actually, I think there are alot of other appraches to life besides about something know as "Pratical Ethics?" Science gives you the power, but it doesn't tell you what to do with it. Just because we can do it doesn't mean it's right!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 13, 2001

Personally, I prefer the absence of morons. But if their absence leads to ,well, philosophical debates(which have little grounding in reality(which is subjective(AHHH! NOW I'M PHILOSOPHICAL!)) then bring them back!
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

What other ways are there to approach a subject if Science is not necesarrily the best one?
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

Well, I'm not saying dinosaurs do NOT exist, but I'm simply saying we can never be sure, no matter how much evidence we have. It is true, if you look back through the viewing glasses of uncertainy theory, all sicence is actually based on a series of assumptions. Not that is unacceptable, but people who think that approaching everything scientificlly is superior and more accucrate than other ways are seriously mistaken indeed.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

Okay, well, I tried attaching it...hopefully it will work. If it doesn't, we have conclusive proof that attachments hate me.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

Attachments don't like me, I can't ever get them to work. Should I upload it and then give you the URL of the image (like I did with my other pictures)?
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001
Chandler, I got it and it's online. JC

I just sent in my painting of a flying Pteranodon sternbergi to the pictures section (I hope the file size wasn't too big...but it's smaller than some of the other stuff on there).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001
Chandler - I got your e-mail with the picture but the picture didn't work - I only got the message "[Unable to display image]". You might want to try it as an attachment. JC

There is a point where it becomes ridiculous to reject amassing suggestion of proof, however, just because it isn't absolutely conclusive. You have to guess sometimes, and assume things, or science wouldn't go anywhere and new theories would never advance.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

How dinosaurs died is still a mystery, and has probably been discussed to death on this board while I wasn't here (sometime). The main public consensus is that it was a comet impact followed by nuclear winter, but who knows? And as for where dinosaurs came from...hmmm, you'd better not ask any of us that right now, as you might get some kind of wishy-washy philosophical answer:) I'd guess you say they evolved from early ornithodirans like Marasuchus and Lagosuchus, which were kind of like half rabbit half crocodylians.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

Yeah, daily news would be stretching it, and would only last so long. Monthly would be good, since usually once a month we get a new dinosaur named/described or uncovered.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

Is there any fanfiction about the Dinoverse books series?
from Kar, age 17, ?, ?, ?; March 12, 2001

how did dinos die . wher did they come from.
from TiffanyJ, age 17, leisp, Ohio, usa; March 12, 2001

Last night, me and my friends Danniel and Pamala got together and stayed up late watching the vidio of Raising the Mamoth and the Discovery Channel world primere of Land of the Mamoth. It was fun. We came up with several theories watching, like how they went extinct and how Neanderthals would use the mammoth bone huts. Next we will see Neanderthal, a documentary about how Neanderthals lived and competed with Homo Sapians. Then we will go to the Museum of Science and see The exibit in congunction with Land of the Mammoth and T.Rex: Back to the Cretatious. Then we will see Allosaurus: a Walking with Dinosaurs special. Prehistoric? We will see it!
from Reuben B., age 7, Needham, MA, USA; March 12, 2001

I must say, this board is pretty sedate after a serious lack of serious morons coming in to disturb the peace.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 11, 2001

I can't really imagine daily dino news. There hasn't really been any new developments in dinosaurology for over a month.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 11, 2001

I will post a newsletter called Dino News every day on this site so people will notice things they have not noticed and can get informed on stories, conversations and ideas. The first newsletter will arive at the end of the month.
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 11, 2001

Actually Giganotosaurus was bigger and heavier than any known T. rex specimen, but T. rex was probably more "powerful."
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 11, 2001

DW, we've been having a philosophical era on the board lately. Please excuse us:)
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 11, 2001

I'm afraid there is no such thing as undeniable prove. Along with the imposibility of observablilty, the imposibility of provability is one of the largest discoveries of twentieth century science. Though strong evidence exists for dinosaurs not being hoaxes, there is no undeniable evidence. In fact, nothing is undeniable. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be absolutely proved. If there's one thing we can be absolute about (and I'm nto sure we can), is that we cannot absolutely prove anything outside this statement. It's actually more science than philosophy, it's simple uncertatinty theory. Having studied some choas theory, I do know we cannot prove anything absolutely at all.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 11, 2001

oh puh-lease we have plenty of evidence. First we have their bones, second footprints. Isn't that enough?
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 10, 2001

i think the triceratops is the best dinosaur ever.
from hannah.w, age 6, nuneaton, ?, england; March 10, 2001

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 10, 2001

from DONOVAN R., age 10, ?, SINGAPORE, ?; March 10, 2001

Oh and JP3 is coming out THIS SUMMER! YAY!
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 10, 2001

"Am I a person who woke up from dreaming of being a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that of being a person?" Why are you people going into philosophy now?
from DW, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 10, 2001

If we take dinosaurs as "hoaxes" then we have to take life itself as a hoax...there is undeniable proof of both but both as well could just be an illusion. Blah, blah, ick, it's confusing thinking about this!
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 9, 2001 a perverse way, Mitch is's scientifically anknowledged that provability is impossible. Heck, I can't even prove that I exist, and heck, can't even prove that we are real to Mitch and not some super well-program response netbots. On dinosaurs, well, there is no way to absolutely prove that they are not all hoaxes, but then again, a wise man proportions his opinion to the knowledge. True, some dinosaurs have turned out to be hoaxes, but to say the whole thing was it's simply amazing (If you are trying to be rational that is)! I smell a creationist here?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 9, 2001

I must disagree with you Mitch, as millions of fossilized bones and footprints are suitable proof of dinosaurs' existence.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 9, 2001

Mitch, I don't know where to start with you. You have been seriously misinformed.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 9, 2001

wel i think that dinosaurs are a hoax because there is no real proof that dinos are real.
from mitch s, age 13, trenton, ga, u s; March 9, 2001

No single complex animal species has ever dominated the entire globe the way we have, so no, no other animal has ever filled our "niche" before, because ours is entirely unquie.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 8, 2001

Well, "person" isn't a niche, so it's a non-issue for dinosaurian equivalents. I would say a dinosaurian equivalent of a person is non-existent because no dinosaur altered the world like we have. But before we became the "people" we are today, I would say that maybe Troodon would be right...I don't know. And most dinosaurs have tails, except birds, and some oviraptorids had pygostyles. It has been theorized that Avimimus was tailless, and I'm not sure if this has been proven wrong yet or not but I'm almost postive Avimimus did have a tail.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 8, 2001

did all of the dinosaurs have tails?
from Katey, age 8, Phillipsburg, Pa, ?; March 8, 2001

To say that humans appeared 3 mya isn't telling the whole story. Homonidae can be traced to 4,400,000 years ago. Homo (species H. rudolfensis) extends back 2,400,000 years. Last common ancestor of H. sapiens and H. neanfertalensis occurs 800,000 years ago. Homo sapiens appeared 100,000 years ago. When we became 'people', I'm not sure. I think it is just a matter of opinion.

But as for exactly why people didn'e evolve earlier when the dinosaurs were around, that's harder to answer. The abscence of large mammals in the Mesozoic is often explained by saying that dinosaurs already occipied all of the large animal roles, and mammals couldn't copete with them. But what was the dinosaur equivalent of a person? (A troodon?) People evolved in a grassland environment, which you wouldn't find anything like in the Mesozoic. So maybe that's the answer.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 8, 2001

Whats Up
from Sarah, age 8, Al, Albama, U.S.A.; March 8, 2001

Hey Kelsey, People didnt live at the same time as dinosaurs because they didnt evolve until 3 million years ago.
from anthony, age 14, ?, ?, USA; March 7, 2001

Ruben, Hi, I wanted to say hello. I used to live in Needham on Great Plain Avenue! This is a cool site huh?
from Sara B., age ?, Chicago, IL, USA; March 7, 2001

Why didn't people live when Dinosaurs lived?
from Kelsey, age 7, Fairbanks, AK, United States; March 7, 2001

This is an ok site
from zaimechel, age 1293, karam, moscow, russia; March 7, 2001

Here it is! Here is my opinions on various dinosaurs' colors:

Plateosaurus:brown, black stripes on sides and tail
Brachiosaurus:tan with pale blue stripes on tail & sides
Apatosaurus:olive green with sky-blue underside
Saltasaurus:dark grey, moderately light green armour and tip of tail bright purple
Oviraptor:black with red-orange stripes
Ornithomimus:coloration like a penguin
Allosaurus:thick white stripes on back, everything else forest green
Velociraptor:dark blue, patches of white on head
Coelophysis:mixed patches of sky blue and orange-brown
Dilophosaurus:red crests, yellow head, dark green body
Tyrannosaurus:light orange
Stegosaurus:red tail spikes, olive to forest green body, pinkish plates
Polacanthus:HOT PINK! (just kidding) black spikes, green body, yellow armour
Pinacosaurus: Dark brown to black armour, tan body
Microceratops:pale blue frill, dark tan body
Pachyrhinosaurus:moderately dark green body/head, yellow nasal boss, horns tan near base but mostly red
Triceratops:all black except for patches of bright orange-red on frill
Pachycephalosaurus:light pink dome, light olive body/tail, fringes of purple around dome and on nose spikes
Orodromeus:grey except (males only) a line of red along the back
Iguanodon:same as WWD "European Iguanodon"
Muttaburrasaurus:light olive, purple "nose bump"
Edmontosaurus:tan or light green
Parasaurolophus:red-orange crest, green body, tail mostly dark yellow

Whew! that took me a while to get all organized. I've gotta go. Bye
from russell p., age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 6, 2001

Ooh, is that all? I knew about that. That doesn't mean that they were pink, it just means they could have blushed as you said:) hehe. Anyways, I thought it was like the Dunkleosteus pigmentation thing, where they found actual pigments in the armor and could tell which color it was (red).
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 6, 2001

Brad, I first learned about Placereas from WWD to!
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 6, 2001

The address for the best list is:


It used to have almost every dinosaur I knew on it and now only Anchisaurus smelts and some dinosaurs beginning with Z.
Please respond.

from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 6, 2001
It looks fine from here (I tried both Netscape and Internet Explorer). Does anyone else have problems accessing that page? Also, I haven't changed that page lately. JC

Evidence for pink ankylosaurs- see Carpenter in Farlow and Brett-Surman 1997.

Basically, the rich supply of blood in the armour would allow them to blush, giving their armour a pink tint.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 6, 2001

I found a lot of diversity in Coelophysis colour schemes-

_The Simon & Schuster Enyclopedia of Dinosaurs & Prehistoric Creatures_ (1988) Coelophysis is light brown with wide dark brown stripes. Picture by Steve Kirk.

_The Time-Life Guides: Dinosaurs_ (2000) Coelophysis is mostly light orange. It has a white belly, and a thick purple line down the neck, back, and tail. The line branches into thin purple stripes on the sides, tail, and legs. There are purple spots on the neck. Picture by Mark Iley.

_The Illustrated Directory of Dinosaurs and Other Prehistoric Creatures_ (2000) Coelophysis is light tan with an irregular purple pattern on the top half of the body. There is an olive green irregular pattern inside the top half of the purple pattern. Pictured uncredited, but I think its by Sibbick.

_The Scientific American Book of Dinosaurs_ (2000) Coelophysis is dark yellow/light brown. The head and the top of the neck are red, and the bottom of the neck is white. Picture by Doug Henderson.

_Dougal Dixon's Dinosaurs_; _Dougal Dixon's Dinosaurs Updated_; Dougal Dixon's amazing Dinosaurs_ (1993, ?1998, 2000) Coelophysis is pale yellow with wide green stripes. Picture by Steve Kirk?

_DINOSAUR!_ (1991)One Coelophysis has a white body with blue along the top of the head and back, and yellow stripes over the blue. Picture by John Sibbick. Another, by Brian Franczak, is olive green with a white underside. It appears feathered.

_In the Presence of Dinosaurs_ (2000) Coelophysis is light grey on the bottom, dark grey on the top. The nose is yellow on one individual. Low crests on the snout are red. These Coelophyses (and most other dinosaurs in this book) are hairy. Picture by Larry Felder.

_Walking With Dinosaurs: A Natural History_ (1999) Very light sandy colour with irregular olive spots, striped feet, and red stripes around the head. I think these are pictures of real Coelophyses.

_The Riddle of the Dinosaur_ (1985) Coelophysis is solid-coloured, very light grey-green (maybe a bit of blue too), except for its red face. Picture by Doug Henderson.

_Dinosaur Imagery_ (2000) Michael Strepenick's Coelophysis is blue with brown stripes. Gary Stab's is grey-blue, with wrinkled skin.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 6, 2001

I wasn't aware that Placerias or Lystrosaurus have been found in the Permian. Am I the only one who had never heard of Placerias before seeing WWD? Is it a newly discovered genus? Lystrosaurus is in a lot of books, and I don't recall any saying that it was Permian.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 6, 2001

I just like to say that this is a cool web sit!! :) :)
from Brooke M., age 15, commerce, texas, usa; March 6, 2001

I was looking at the favorite archives and now the best list is to short! Please make it long again!

Please respond.
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 6, 2001
I'm not sure what you mean by the "best list." Let me know the URL. JC

Hmm...I wonder...I don't think it's very likely for the Dromies to be eusocial, and I think in that case, they don't really deserve the fearsome reputation they have been given by many experts. Risking serious injury attacking prey that outmasses you by 30 times is not really good for passing on your genes...prehaps that's the reason the bigger dromies went extinct? They bit off more than they could chew?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Just because something lived in 2 periods doesn't mean that one of them is "negated" or something. And I thought that the color topic is interesting...ever notice how everyone always (at least in all of my books except for Greg Paul's) colors Coelophysis brown with strange swirly spot things? It's like that in all the older books I've seen. Also, T. rex is almost always colored like in Jurassic Park, but I'll admit that they did a good job coloring the JP Tyrannosaur.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

I liked the little entry on colors - I'll post some of my opinions soon.
from russell p, age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 5, 2001

from DONOVAN R., age 10, ?, SINGAPORE, ?; March 5, 2001

Hmm, Brad, you were joking about the pink Ankylosaurus, right?? If not, what scientific evidence (hopes Brad is joking)? hehe.:)
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

I'm actually writing an essay on dinosaur misconceptions and how they've changed since the 1800s. The biggest one (nowadays) is the size issue. Most people think that all dinosaurs (except "raptors") were hundreds of tons, and don't know that the average dinosaur was pony-sized! The longest lasting misconception is the cold-blooded thing, which isn't totally put to rest I suppose...
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

I imagine domestic animals have many color variations because of selective breeding: animals specifically bred to each other for color, etc. Dinosaurs probably had color variations too, especially genera like Iguanodon that lived on many different continents.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

It is true that most modern mammal analogues for dinosaurs don't have color vision...but still, bright colors on big animals don't occur commonly even in color-sighted animals. Maybe it was more common in dinosaurs than in mammals, though.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

What would you call the biggest misconceptions about dinosaurs today?
I'd have to answer-

"Brontosaurus is the old name for Apatosaurus"/"Brontosaurus was changed to Apatosaurus"

Apatosaurus is, of course, the _older_ name, which is exactly why it is valid! What would you say is the most common mistake people believe?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

Eric W. submitted the question:

"What is the sound that a Stegosaurus makes? if you can't get it to me can you please send me the name of the site where i can find it? Thank you for your time."

Matsumi Suzuki has analyzed the sounds of many popular dinosaurs, including the Stegosaurus. You can go to this site to listen to them:
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001
Thanks Brad, I'll add it to the Q and A section. JC

My guesses for dinosaur colours-

Coelophysis- black and white
Dilophosaurus- black and green
Plateosaurus- mostly brown
Stegosaurus- tan-brown, blue plates
Allosaurus- yellow and black, striped
Apatosaurus- green/grey/brown
Brachiosaurus- green
Velociraptor- brown and white (top/bottom)
Ankylosaurus- pink (suggested by scientific evidence!)
Pachycephalosaurus- blue and yellow speckled
Parasaurolophus- white with stripes of some colour
Centrosaurus- grey
Triceratops- tan or grey
Therizinosaurus- white
Tyrannosaurus- magenta with yellow stripes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't say modern large animals are a good comparison- most are mammals and do not have colour vision. How come nobody ever makes a white dinosaur? Think about it- how many have you seen? There aren't many black dinosaurs in pictures either, although grey ones are really common. I'd also like to point out that many animals come in a whole bunch of different colours- cats, dogs, horses, rabbits- oh, wait, why are those all domestic animals? Wild animals seem to have a more defined colour scheme for each species.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

There are dinosaur subspecies, its just that everyone wants to have their own dinosaur and name a new specimen at the drop of the hat. If you have ever read Predatory Dinosaurs of the World Gregory Paul talks about this. He thinks that Velociraptor and Deinonychus are the same thing, and I don't agree with that statement but I do think that we should try and make less genera and more new species in already existing genera. There really are no qualities that stand out in many of the ornithomimosaurs, except Harpymimus and Garudimimus, so they should pretty much all be synonymized.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

I tried to read Dinosaur Summer but found it very weird. I don't think I ever even got past the first few chapters.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Hens are NOT a correct analogy to deinonychosaurs...that is like comparing a mouse to a wolf and assuming that just because they are both mammals that they will have similar lifestyles, eating habits, etc. As Brad said, hens don't even have teeth! They don't have powerful legs for running or grasping "hands" either! And they don't have gigantic claws on their feet! I agree one hundred percent with what Brad said on the matter, I just wanted to back him up :) hehe.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Personally I think that religious stories tend to be more symbolic representations than actual fact or exaggeration of fact. But that's just an opinion.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Well, nothing's wrong with green, except for the fact that everyone makes every dinosaur green! AGH! Not very many large animals today are green, they are usually grey. Or brown. So Triceratops was probably one of those colors. But I just don't think very many large dinosaurs were green!! But small dinosaurs...there is no way to predict their color other than looking at what kind of vegetation they lived with, and even with that it's only a chance.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Is this a real subspecies of _Iguanodon bernissartensis_? I didn't know there were dinosaur subspecies.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

Hens don't have teeth, and their claws aren't as large. Individual dromaeosaurs could probably kill animals like sheep. If they did hunt in packs, I'd put ornithopods like Tenontosaurus in the range of possibility. I don't think dromaeosaurs attacked sauropods. Getting off topic, how accurate are representations of prehistoric humans pack-hunting elephants and other large mammals? Human societies aren't much like ants. Naked mole rats don't kill large animals, do they? Why are they eusocial? The novel "Dinosaur Summer", by Greg Bear, features a colony of eusocial ?therapsids which behave very much like insects. I love the creative hypothetical creatures in that story.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

What's wrong with green dinosaurs? I doubt that every dinosaur was green, but it is also unlikely that no dinosaur was green. What colour was Triceratops? I personally think it was a rather dull dinosaur, maybe light brown or grey. It could have been green too, I guess. I don't really like the idea of a red or blue Triceratops, or any other really bright colour. Tyrannosaurus rex, a huge 'bird', was bright pink with yellow stripes and ornamental feathers. :)
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

Not just Ty-dye, PASTEL TY-DYE! Ick.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 5, 2001

You mean there was A debate in the first place?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 5, 2001

Religion is just believing about something, not questioning things. many religious stories probably are made much larger than life. For example, Moses probably didn't split the Red sea, mabye it was a really low tide. We still use stories to explain lots of things. examples include Bigfoot, Yetis, and the Loch Ness monster. But personally, I don't really think it's worth debating too heavily. Most people here probably know the consequences of big debates over meaningless things on this page.
from russell p, age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 4, 2001

Also, there are tons of different religions, and most of them have some sort of "gods or God" or some kind. Basically I just don't think anyone can be "wrong" about religion: it's one of the few things in life that doesn't have a set answer. You can have whatever religion you want and it is still "right" if you believe in it.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Why'd they have to make Hornsly green? I'm getting tired of the "green dinosaurs" myth. And who wrote that poem, Bear in the Big Blue House?
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Honkie said, "Not that I want to sound unscientific or anything, but I've seen to many things in the past few days that happened both to myself and others to which science offers no explination. Thus my sudden change of tone."

Actually I think it is unscientific to be naive enough to believe that science can explain everything. You aren't being unscientific.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

I know that the Triceratops wasn't Tie dyed, but I flipped through the other new ones and found to my absolute horror that there was ANOTHER "ty" dyed bear.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Oh yes...the scientist in me was dumbfounded too...
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Well...I hope there is a good scientific reason for other people and me "reading" other people's minds and healing them instantly and so on and so forth. And of course, unless I'm mentally decluded or am still suffering from "imaginary friend" problems, I wonder why I keep getting "prompted" to do certain things that will solve problems I have not yet's real weird...what happened will leave the biggest scientist dumbfounded...if he thinks he can find a good, natural reason for all this...
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Having the "raptors" to pack hunt is absurd from basic principles of evolutionary biology. The only animals which attack much larger prey like ants regardless of losses sustained are eusocial insects like ants. They do it because the colony, not the sterile worker individual, is the passer on of genes and the unit on which natural selection acts. If the colony loses 0.2 grams of worker to get 20 grams of prey it may make a net gain in colony fitness justifying that (and ants, such as army ants, that do regularly swarm over much larger prey tend to have queens that produce vast numbers of eggs to replace squashed workers quickly!) But a non-social vertebrate that regularly gets itself killed so that even related individuals will get more food will kill off the genes for such suicidal altruism with itself. Only if the rest of the pack are very closely related would such behaviour occur. That would only happen if coelurosaurs, like naked mole-rats, were as eusocial as ants, complete with queen and sterile workers. Mole rats evolved this because of their very odd lifestyle (in fact evolutionary biologists predicted the naked mole-rat's social structure form its life-style before either was discovered in the field!). Coelurosaurs almost certainly were not eusocial and therefore could not in principle have evolved the behaviour many excited experts depicts.Our visions of superkiller raptors are as ridiculous as depicting flocks of homicidal hens rampaging the modern Bucks countryside, swarming over hapless sheep and pecking them to death!
from ?, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Hmm...I'm a little distracted lately...I've just passed a major exam and am now at a important educational crossroad in my life.... tough choices man!
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 4, 2001

Russel, Brad, thanks!
from Bill G., age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 3, 2001

Hornsly the Triceratops has already been purchased by a few collectors, and pictures of the real thing can be seen here:

I think I'll get one, despite scientific errors. He is *not* Tie-dyed, but rather has raised areas of a different colour to represent scales. The face doesn't look nearly as bad in the new photo. Don't you agree? Unfortunately, Hornsly has a stupid, stupid, stupid poem, and I'll put a plastic clip over the tag to prevent it from being opened. Anyone know someone with an August 24 birthday?

On the recent science/religion discussion- 500 years ago, science explained almost nothing. But science advanced, and now we know a lot more. Have we figured out how everything in the universe works? Of course not. I wouldn't expect us to have. Will we ever know how life first formed from non-living matter? Perhaps, but having theories without evidence do not advance our knowledge. Honkie Tong, what exactly did you see? I'm very interested in knowing.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 3, 2001

South American carnivores included Staurikosaurus, Noasaurus, Carnotaurus, Piatnitskysaurus, and Thylacosmilus.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 3, 2001

2 carnivores that lived in south america, besides Gigantosaurus, were Carnotaurus and Eoraptor.

I would agree that you can believe in one God or Gods (things having to do with a Religion0 or whatever and still believe in evoloution. I know of lots of people who do, including myself. Religious stories don't say why things happened (in detail) they say what happened.

Today, I went to a "Dinosaur day" at my local Musuem, the Burke Musuem. It was really neat. I had the chance to talk to the head of the Musuem's Paleontology department who has made big diccoveries about the dinosaur-bird conneaction. He answered a few of the questions that have been in hot debate on this page when I was talking with him.
from Russell p, age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 3, 2001

JC, I can't find the question and answer page! Could you please tell me where I can find it from here?
from Bill G., age 6, ?, ?, ?; March 3, 2001
Click here for the question and answer page. JC

Honkie Tong, I am like you and Chandler in one more way. I listen to what torah says, but then I use it and change it into science. Creationists do not even notice the line in Genesis that says "god gave every creature the empowerment to adapt for the greater good." The seven days could have been each millions of years and are called days so non-scientific people would understand. This is so silly through the eyes of some rabi I now who I beleve thinks that the earth is flat because he sees torah litteraly, unlike my rabi who would suport a theory like mine.
from Reuben B., age 8, Needham, MA, USA; March 3, 2001

Can anyone tell me the names of two carnivores that lived in South America, besides Gigonotosaurus?
from Bill G., age 6, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

Not that I want to sound unscientific or anything, but I've seen to many things in the past few days that happened both to myself and others to which science offers no explination. Thus my sudden change of tone.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

17 bony plates? Sounds like a Stegosaurus to me!
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 2, 2001

T-REX was a meat eater.How many dinosars were there?I like dinosaurs.
This site is really,really cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What dinosaur had 17 bony plates on it's back?

from Mariah, age 7, Oak Creek, WI., America; March 2, 2001

Dinosaurs are the best and I wish they still lived.
from Allie, age 9, Asheville, North Carolina, USA; March 2, 2001

He he, you got me Chandeler.
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

T-REX was a meat eater.How many dinosars were there?I like dinosaurs.
This site is really,really cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What dinosaur had 17 bony plates on it's back?

from Mariah, age 7, Oak Creek, WI., America; March 2, 2001

I think dinosaurs are SUPER cool.
from Mariah, age 7, Oak Creek, WI., ?; March 2, 2001

That Triceratops beanie baby is scary! It looks like a deranged chameleon! AAH! I thought Ty, Inc. went out of business because thier products weren't popular anymore...hehe. I didn't know they were making MORE of these frightening little things. AAH! Too much Tie-Die!
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

You can believe in "God" and still believe in evolution (i.e. you don't have to be a creationist just because you believe in God, gods, oversoul or whatever). I was surprised at first at what Honkie said too, but I figured it out hehe.
from Chandler, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

Uh...the sky????
from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

Nothing much...what's up?
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; March 2, 2001

"What can I say, creationists know very little about dinosaurs, but they sure are stubborn about the little they know."
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; February 9, 2001

"The Dinosaurs exist for the very reason we do Ryla: God decided to create them."
from Honkie Tong, age 16, ?, ?, ?; February 28, 2001

Uh, Honkie Tong? What happened?
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 1, 2001

i think dinsaurs are really neat and kewl....i really like the t-rex
from brian r, age 8, richmond, bc, canada; March 1, 2001

My dinosaur extinction theory is that a meteor hit the Earth which blocked the sun, which killed the plants, which killed the plant eating dinosaurs, which killed the meat eating dinosaurs.
from Mikayla T., age 7, Midlton, Wisconson, U.S.A; March 1, 2001

I like Swoop, too. I got him for Christmas. I don't have the Beanie dinosaur trio, by the time I started collecting beanie babies they were long retired :( I wish I had them, though. I was recently in Portland, oregon. They had a really cool science museum there, and a small fossil lab, with some dinosaur bones, an Allosaurus skull cast, and some prehistoric mammal bones. I also went to a cool fossil shop. They had lots of cool dinosaur things, Including Sauropod eggs, Spinosaurus teeth, Coprolite bookholders, and a nest of Oviraptor eggs (one with a partial embryo skeleton in it). Everything was pretty expensive, though, so I only got a fossil fish (from the Eocene).
from russell p, age ?, seattle, wa, usa; March 1, 2001

You're right brad, it is not a triceratops.

from firebird, age ?, ?, ?, ?; March 1, 2001

That's no Triceratops, that's a Chameleon! :( Oh well, I'm still buying one.
from Brad, age 14, Woodville, ON, Canada; March 1, 2001

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